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I get what your saying but I still can't see it. And as far as her attitude or mean walk or what ever has more to do with other peoples issues-not hers | |
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. the black dress was kinda tight fitted and I agree inappropriate for a professional setting but not for the club either 
I just think its a bit much. And I'm not saying anyone is hating on this woman-but it happens and men do stare but how far does a person have to go to make others feel at ease? go beyond what is requested of others? I don't think so. If it is what she says it is it all just seems a bit too much...I agree with JustErin.
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An opinion piece from the NY Times:
By MAUREEN DOWDIt’s hard to feel sorry for a woman who frets about being too beautiful.
Ordinarily in life, extraordinary good looks are an advantage for men and women — and even babies. Not only do babies gaze longer at more comely adult faces, research tells us, but parents may gaze longer at more comely babies. A research team at the University of Alberta conducted a study at a supermarket and observed that parents gave more attention and supervision to their pretty ducklings.
Aesthetic allure is evolutionary, after all. “Like lots of animals,” said Dr. Andrew Harrell, the team leader, “we tend to parcel out our resources on the basis of value.”
So it was unusual when a knockout in New York, Debrahlee Lorenzana, a 33-year-old single mother, filed suit against Citigroup, claiming that she was fired in August from the Citibank branch at the Chrysler Center for looking too sexy. “Plaintiff was advised that as a result of the shape of her figure,” her lawsuit reads, “such clothes were purportedly `too distracting’ for her male colleagues and supervisors to bear.”
Late-night comedians and tabloids have had a field day. “She Flaunted Her Assets,” punned The New York Daily News. Last week’s Village Voice cover profile of Lorenzana, who grew up in Puerto Rico and moved to New York when she was 21, raved about the bank officer’s charms: “At five-foot-six and 125 pounds, with soft eyes and flawless bronze skin, she is J. Lo curves meets Jessica Simpson rack meets Audrey Hepburn elegance.”
TV and tabloids ran pictures, taken by a photographer who works with her lawyer, showing Lorenzana in the pencil skirts, turtlenecks, tailored jackets and stilettos that she says made her bosses at the bank concentrate on the wrong kind of figures. “She has to manage her wardrobe so these men can manage their libidos?” said her lawyer, Jack Tuckner, adding that her bosses acted as immaturely as the boys on “Wayne’s World.”
On Thursday night, as she prepared to appear on the Monday morning shows, Lorenzana recalled that her supervisors obsessed over what she was wearing, “saying things are too tight, you cannot wear turtlenecks. Well, guess what? When you say my pants are too tight when they’re not, then you must have been staring at me.
“The reality is, I’m a size 32 DD. I’m very skinny, and then I have curves. So, of course, on my body, the turtleneck is going to make it more noticeable. But I’m not showing cleavage. We wear jackets.”
She said a co-worker who shopped with her and bought the same styles and designer brands never got in trouble, and neither did some tellers who wore low-cut tops, snug pants and hot boots.
“I said, ‘You are discriminating to me, because of my body type,’ “ she said with a slight accent and a breathy voice. “This is genetic. What am I supposed to do?” Citigroup didn’t return calls for comment on Friday. Lorenzana’s lawsuit says that her bosses told her that her female colleagues could wear what they liked because their “general unattractiveness rendered moot their sartorial choices.” Her well-tailored clothes, on the other hand, emphasized what her lawyer calls her “hourglass figure.”
This case has caused such fascination because usually it’s the other way around.
Attractive professors get better evaluations from their students, according to one study.
A 2005 analysis by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis confirmed what seems apparent, from presidential races to executive boardrooms: Good-looking people and tall people get a “beauty premium” — an extra 5 percent an hour — while there is a “plainness penalty” of 9 percent in wages.
A study that looked at men’s height as teenagers and their salaries later found they made $789 more a year for every extra inch of height. Meanwhile, obese women tend to get substantially lower wages than women of average weight. Although people laugh at the idea of a babe in the office being as maddening as Tantalus’s out-of-reach fruit, women do get penalized this way sometimes.
A male friend once told me he was looking for an unattractive personal assistant so he wouldn’t be tempted. And when I was hiring a Grace Kelly blonde as a researcher a few years ago, a male colleague asked me not to because it would be “too distracting” to him; two girlfriends cautioned me not to because it would be depressing — and therefore, distracting — for me to work with someone so good looking. (It wasn’t.)
“Sometimes, honestly, I wish I didn’t look the way I did,” Lorenzana says, “because people judge you right away. Other women have their guards up, they automatically categorize you as being conceited. I have to work three times as hard to prove that I earned this through my hard work.
“My life has been hard my whole entire life. People have this misconception that, ‘Oh, you do well in your life because of your looks.’ No, I am harassed.”
(Here is the direct link: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/opinion/06dowd.html?src=me&ref=general I couldn't get the hyperlinking to work correctly with this new system.) The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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She's a damn lie | |
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Let's look at it from a different angle.
If a guy wore ballet pants, with his huge bulge on display, would anyone have a problem with it as long as they had pinstripes? My Legacy
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If he is adhering to the dresscode, what is the issue?
If not, well... | |
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Why is she acting like she's the only "pretty" woman the WHOLE ENTIRE huge ass company of Citibank, has EVER hired...
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I can relate to her. That's exactly how I often feel too. | |
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What about a painted on suit? Or a bithday suit?
I'm sure there is something in dress codes about tight or "provocative" clothing. It might look professional to some, but I work with plenty of curvy women that are not displaying it like this chick--and again I would not have a problem with it, but I'm just saying I can see citibank's point, especially if her behavior is an issue, too.
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Well damn, she has a nice body, but she is not all of that "Beautiful", she's actually kind of average. And folks are wondering why she gets no sympathy. She made statements like that when the story first dropped. I personally think she's a bit hystrionic.
Hell, and people are mean to obese too. The first thing people would have said if she was obese that "she should look in the mirror before she leaves her home". Look how many people kick sand at Aretha Franklin all of the time because of the way she dresses. So I disagree with that "If she was obese people would feel sorry for her" statement.
Again, most of the outfits shown in that clip are fine for work in my opinion...however that black fitted dress was not professional at all. Also...notice how she is posing in those pics. And who's to say that's even what she wore, those pics did not look exactly "spontaneous", perhaps she took them because she knew that she would be having an upcoming lawsuit. Who takes that many pictures of THEMSELVES at work? Although I'm your biggest fan...I'm also your biggest critic. Can you deal with that? | |
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Reel said: Well damn, she has a nice body, but she is not all of that "Beautiful", she's actually kind of average. And folks are wondering why she gets no sympathy. She made statements like that when the story first dropped. I personally think she's a bit hystrionic.
Hell, and people are mean to obese too. The first thing people would have said if she was obese that "she should look in the mirror before she leaves her home". Look how many people kick sand at Aretha Franklin all of the time because of the way she dresses. So I disagree with that "If she was obese people would feel sorry for her" statement.
Again, most of the outfits shown in that clip are fine for work in my opinion...however that black fitted dress was not professional at all. Also...notice how she is posing in those pics. And who's to say that's even what she wore, those pics did not look exactly "spontaneous", perhaps she took them because she knew that she would be having an upcoming lawsuit. Who takes that many pictures of THEMSELVES at work? Nobody knows at the moment what she truly wore to work but it seems like a lot of folks are intent on assuming it wasnt the clothing shown and that she's just full of shit. I think most people on here that are saying citibank may be wrong do so by prefacing it with IF that is actually what she wore...then yes citibank was wrong. | |
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Hello! I said something similar last night!!!! "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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I always knew you were brilliant My Legacy
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And there it is...
Just because you'd wear it, does not make it "definitely professional". It's simply that you think it's okay to wear. "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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I don't get that from her at all. She simply talking about her experiences.
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I'm sorry but all her credibility flies out the window with that one. Shit, I love being pretty, and if I was finer, I'd love it more.
I really think that its her problem since she tends to have this particular problem at all her work places. If she wants to keep working in those types of enviornments then she needs to change her attitude and/or her attire to fit the bill.
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She was not wearing tight or provocative clothing though.
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No, it is professional wear and has been deemed so by my employers.
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but you think pinstripe ballet pants are okay for guys to wear, so... My Legacy
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Obivously not hers, otherwise she'd have a job. | |
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And that's what the problem is. Others with different body types are wearing similar clothing, isn't that her claim?
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Her co-workers had enough issues that it caused a problem at ALL her previous jobs.
If it was one job I would see her POV. But every job she's had? Others may dress similar but not the same, otherwise it would be a class action suit against the company.
IMHO, fat women wearing those outfits would be seen as sluts and asked immediately to wear more proper attire. Women's plus sized professional clothing lines are not made to be fitted at all, most plus sized suiting is cut to look matronly. Bigger girls hide their ample breasts under scarfs and lager jewelry also. She looks good because she is slender and curvy. Fat or thin, the more curves you have, the less people want to see them. (at the work place that is... unless its Hooters) [Edited 6/8/10 15:12pm] | |
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I seemed to have missed her claim that it has happened at all her jobs....Can I see the quote? | |
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That is absolutely not true at all.
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Yes it is. Compared to the slimmer counter parts it is.
Color choices are usually toned down, prints are usually God awful and shirts are cut boxy.
I buy plus sized clothing all the time. Lane Brynat (for example) is getting better, but their cuts fall on the generous side even though the company tries hard to keep up on trend.
Women's plus sized lines tend to have that mom's jeans cut in the trousers too. High waisted for the most part.
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As someone who has shopped both plus and regular, I can tell you that this is not true.
Maybe in the states but absolutely not here. | |
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I bought both also.... I miss being a regular size Talbot's plus lines, Lane Bryant, Land's End, and LL Bean all have great clothing for the work place but their plus sizes lack options.
Ann Taylor and Banana Republic (etc.) don't even go into plus sizes... they only offerL- XL and those are not considered plus sized clothing so those sizes would look the same as a size XS-M.
The sizes I speak of are 16W- 32W... the clothing is just made different. | |
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