JustErin said:

But that's not true. Women do it all the time. Or hold the children hostage for money, etc.
I wouldn't deprive the other parent. Raising them myself doesn't mean she would be deprived.
I wouldn't use them as pawns or hostages though . . . .

DesireeNevermind said:

Why can't they be altered? Circumstances change. Just because you have money today doesn't mean you always will (esp. if you marry.)
Do we know that Tiger's children will keep his last name? What's that worth?

JustErin said:

I'm saying it's up to men AND WOMEN to raise their kids. Women don't want to be held responsible for anything. It's all the man's fault. I get that men victimize women but these things go overboard and way too far many times.

uPtoWnNY said:

Men have zero reasons to get married. None.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Wtf are you talking about? Where was it said that it's all the man's fault?

Seriously, you must roll with some really shitty people if this is all you see.

In the real world, Richard, it's mostly single moms raising kids...it just is, so not sure how they are not being responsible when they are the ones raising them.

There sure is a lot of hate being spewed toward the opposite sex in this thread.

Sad.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Wtf are you talking about? Where was it said that it's all the man's fault?

Seriously, you must roll with some really shitty people if this is all you see.

In the real world, Richard, it's mostly single moms raising kids...it just is, so not sure how they are not being responsible when they are the ones raising them.

There sure is a lot of hate being spewed toward the opposite sex in this thread.

Sad.

NDRU said:

And yet the cunt owner has no responsibility for bearing a fucking child?!

So depraved that you are even conned into this pussywhipped mentality.

JustErin said:

Women control whether or not they have children and responsibility starts there.. Not saying men shouldn't be there, contribute, be fathers and loyal husbands but women have full control over their reproduction choices and therefore bear much more responsibility than is being given in this thread. Single mom's don't have a choice and are forced into responsiblity but women feel entitled to the entire universe for nothing. It aint real and it aint right.

Perhaps if I could get a sugardaddy I might feel different

SUPRMAN said:

But most times, it's really not.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

So what is your solution, forced abortion because daddy doesn't want to take responsibility?

Let's also cut off the balls of men we don't want to risk being impregnated by - should women have the right to force that as well? Stupid, eh?

I dunno man, I see what you're trying to say...but it's simply not that easy.

JustErin said:

I agree because most people don't make enough to provide for the children as they would like. Single or married.

SUPRMAN said:

Marriages are a form of contract which is why you need a judge to officiate it as well as a divorce thus allowing you to marry again; as a contract it's probably also the reason why you fit into different tax brackets than single people or why one can be held accountable for their spouses debts.

As for the pre-nup, yes it should be upheld unless there was a violation of the agreement. Some pre-nups can be made null and void if cheating or physical abuse or fraud were not factored in. We don't know all the specifics of what was in the pre-nuptial. Did Tiger have a get out of jail free clause if he got caught cheating with 2 dozen skank hos? Was the agreement null if he exposed Elin to disease or endangered their children by bringing the skanks home to the family residence? This is the art of buisness....every contract has a special clause and fine print.

As for sticking it to him and making him hurt and making him pay....I think he pretty much did that to himself.

JustErin said:

Forced abortions and ball cutting ceremonies!



I almost always bat team chick, but crap like this brings out the super testosterone in me. I had a stepmonster that was greedy and soaked up every cent my dad earned while we were going to school in clothes with holes. This crap hits the wrong nerve for me and it's raw.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'd agree if the woman tricked the man, or if they agreed beforehand that they'd be her kids, not their kids.

Otherwise, if a guy goes into the pussy knowing the possible consequences, he owes virtually everything he has (within reason) to the thing that comes out of the pussy.

noimageatall said:

Well how do you get from virgin to skank and a ho ? Think about it ? people like to have ago at women who sleep with men for money or because they have money right?

Ask yourself a question would tiger woods "wife" sleep with him if he was poor and had no money ?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

that's an abuse of the system but I think it's the exception not the rule

Works both ways.

Let's be real. If there were no benefit to marriage in this day and age and in this presumably free culture....neither men nor women would marry...yet they continue to do so even in the face of a staggering divorce rate.

SUPRMAN said:

Nor does it make you the opposite which I see is the assumption by a lot in this thread.

NDRU said:

You cannot legally make that agreement unless you are a donor. You cannot be a donor if you are having sex with the woman. That's the child's father if you are.

uPtoWnNY said:

I've said the same....however, if a parent gives up everything to be a stay at home parent, I do think there should be a grace period for them to get on their feet and start their career again.

NDRU said:

Yeah, I think it's more a rule than anyone wants to admit.

SUPRMAN said:

That's why people want settlements versus monthly payments...because the situtation can change and they don't want their kids (or themselves) to come up short. Tiger has money today and plenty of it.

Why wouldn't Tiger's kids keep his last name? There is no sense in Elin going to court to change the names on their birth certificates. Last names can be important to some people as they can establish family lineage and paternity by putting the actual father's name on the birth certificate. Before blood/dna tests what did we use besides a father's name? Some couples even have hyphenated last names for their children to recognize both sides of the family tree.



You're sounding awfully cynical. Maybe we should all squat along the side of the road and squeeze out our offspring like a stray cat then leave them there. No worries about marriage, divorce, paternity, child support, alimony or any day to day responsibility to spouse or kids.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

So you were the one that voted against gay marriage!!

JustErin said:

I didn't want to believe it but it's staring us in our face.


All this BS over some damn money that nobody on here will ever see in their lifetime. It's irrelevant whether the amount is $750 mill or 75 cents. The court will decide what each person walks away with and I'm sure both sides will be content after it's all over.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

oh, whatever woman-hater!

of course she does, but that could come in the form of actually raising the child.

Keep in mind Tiger's situation isn't normal in terms of cheating or in terms of child support, but so many cases are women not only raising the child, but paying for it, and the guy bitching about the child support that he manages to weasel out of month after month.

If a guy wants to have sex he needs to take responsibility--equal responsibility which means contributing financially or actually raising the kid. It should be a partnership.

JustErin said:

Agreed.

What I can't understand is how two people who once so loved each other can so hate each other.
I've maintained friendships with all my exes, even when it didn't end amicably.
I don't hate any of them (only been three - taking applications . .. )and if they needed me, we both know I'd be there.
If a relationship I ended involved children, I'd have no problem helping my ex because it helps the children.

Forbes’ list of the 10 Most Expensive Celebrity Divorces examined only divorces during the last 25 years. Reporters scoured press reports, interview transcripts and, whenever possible, court documents to verify settlements. Figures are not adjusted for inflation. Some celebrity divorces with allegedly high settlements were excluded when information was unavailable or unreliable.

#10. Mick Jagger & Jerry Hall

Estimated settlement: $15 to $25 million

The Rolling Stones rocker and Texas supermodel met in 1977 and had two children together before marrying in a traditional Hindi wedding ceremony in Bali, Indonesia, in 1990. Hall filed for divorce in 1999 after learning that Jagger had fathered another woman’s child. Jagger, worth an estimated $325 million at the time, successfully challenged the legality of the Balinese wedding and received an annulment. Hall walked away with between $15 and $25 million, a fraction of Jagger’s estate.

#9. Lionel & Diane Richie

Estimated settlement: $20 million

Richie, then 36 and married, met the 18-year-old backup dancer at the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles. Richie, divorced from his first wife in 1993, married Diane by 1996. The Richies became tabloid favorites when Diane filed for divorce in 2004 and detailed their lavish lifestyle in her alimony petition. Among her claims: a monthly clothing allowance of $15,000; $50,000 a month for manicures, massages and other personal services; and a plastic surgery budget of $20,000 a year.

#8. Michael & Diandra Douglas

Estimated settlement: $45 million

Douglas met 19-year-old Georgetown co-ed Diandra Luker in 1977 at a Jimmy Carter inauguration party. They married six weeks later. During the course of the marriage, Douglas became one of Hollywood’s top earning actors, starring in classics like Fatal Attraction, Wall Street and Basic Instinct. Amid rumors of the actor’s infidelities and alcohol abuse, the couple split in 1998. Diandra was awarded an estimated $45 million, plus homes in Beverly Hills and Majorca.

#7. James Cameron & Linda Hamilton

Estimated settlement: $50 million

The Titanic director married the Terminator actress in July 1997. They had one daughter together before the marriage tanked 18 months later. Cameron received some $100 million from Paramount for Titanic (which grossed $1.8 billion). Hamilton received half of that, an estimated $50 million, in the divorce settlement.

#6. Paul McCartney & Heather Mills

Settlement pending: Possibly more than $60 million

In 2002, the former Beatle wed Mills, a model-activist 30 years his junior. McCartney reportedly shunned Mills’ offer of a prenuptial agreement. By 2006, the pair, who have one child together, split acrimoniously. She accused him of assault; he locked her out of their London home. Rumors of a settlement suggest Mills may get in excess of $60 million–McCartney’s worth is an estimated $700 million.

#5. Kevin Costner & Cindy Silva

Estimated settlement: $80 million

The pair, who met at California State University, wed in 1978. During their 16-year marriage, Costner became one of Hollywood’s highest-paid actors, scoring seven Oscars for Dances with Wolves and starring in iconic films like Bull Durham and Field of Dreams. Costner pocketed $50 million in 1991 alone. Because Silva was married to Costner during his peak earning years, she was awarded $80 million, a substantial piece of his net worth.

#4. Harrison Ford & Melissa Mathison

Estimated settlement: $85 million

The couple met in 1977 at a dinner with casting director Fred Roos (American Graffiti) and wed in 1983. Six years later, Ford became one of Hollywood’s highest-paid actors when he banked $7 million for Presumed Innocent. By 1995, he was making $20 million a film. The couple divorced in 2004. In addition to her divorce settlement, Mathison negotiated a piece of Ford’s future earnings from films he made while married, including DVD sales of the Indiana Jones trilogy and The Fugitive.

#3. Steven Spielberg & Amy Irving

Estimated settlement: $100 million

The couple met when Irving auditioned for Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977). They married in 1985, after Spielberg had already struck it big with his first Indiana Jones flick and ET. They divorced after nearly four years of marriage. Irving successfully contested their prenuptial agreement (reportedly scribbled on a napkin) because she did not have legal representation and was awarded $100 million, roughly half of Spielberg’s fortune at the time. Today, he is worth $3 billion.

#2. Neil Diamond & Marcia Murphey

Estimated settlement: $150 million

The crooner married Murphey, a television production assistant, in 1969, before he released his first gold record, Touching You, Touching Me. By the late ’70s, Diamond was one of the most successful musicians in showbiz, grossing upward of $14 million annually. After 25 years of marriage, Murphey filed for divorce in 1994, citing irreconcilable differences. She walked away with half of Diamond’s fortune–she’s “worth every penny,” he later said.

#1. Michael & Juanita Jordan

Settlement pending: Possibly more than $150 million

The legendary basketball star married Juanita Vanoy, a Chicago bank officer, in 1989. He had already signed an eight-year, $25 million contract with the Chicago Bulls. He also was earning another $30 million a year from Nike and other endorsement deals. She filed for divorce last year. Over the course of the marriage, Jordan earned more than $350 million. Should Juanita press for half of his assets, she could get more than $150 million in the settlement, making the Jordan divorce the most expensive in entertainment history.

Wowsers. At least they were married a long time. Getting $15 million for a few months of marriage is just ridiculous. And, frankly, if she didn’t even change her name, she probably wasn’t in it for the long haul anyway.

P.S.: If you’re worth several hundred million dollars more than your beloved, you simply must insist on a prenup. No, it’s not romantic. Too bad.

http://gone-hollywood.com...-divorces/
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