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Reply #30 posted 03/21/10 3:18pm

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CarrieMpls said:

I liked Avatar a LOT more than Hurt Locker. But I disagree with him too.

Avatar was very entertaining. Hurt Locker was difficult to watch. But both were well done, just for different reasons. (I wouldn't have given either an oscar, but I do feel hurt Locker was more deserving.)

My problem with the Hurt Locker was that I couldn't find one identifiable character. There weren't enough redeeming qualities within the main character to make him likable. And it ends with you pitying him. Perhaps it's an important story about how horribly war affects people, but if that's the intent, that wasn't quite driven home enough.

Meh. I just really didn't like it.


Interesting that the first woman to win an Oscar for best picture made a movie that turned off female viewers (at least according to you and Ivy).
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Reply #31 posted 03/22/10 3:23am

Vendetta1

sextonseven said:

CarrieMpls said:

I liked Avatar a LOT more than Hurt Locker. But I disagree with him too.

Avatar was very entertaining. Hurt Locker was difficult to watch. But both were well done, just for different reasons. (I wouldn't have given either an oscar, but I do feel hurt Locker was more deserving.)

My problem with the Hurt Locker was that I couldn't find one identifiable character. There weren't enough redeeming qualities within the main character to make him likable. And it ends with you pitying him. Perhaps it's an important story about how horribly war affects people, but if that's the intent, that wasn't quite driven home enough.

Meh. I just really didn't like it.


Interesting that the first woman to win an Oscar for best picture made a movie that turned off female viewers (at least according to you and Ivy).
I wouldn't say it turns off female viewers...well, I don't know because I don't really know any chicks into war movies. lol

I hate them and have not seen most but watched this one because of all the hype. I thought Jeremy Renner was awesome and acted much better than Jeff Bridges did in Crazy Heart but so much of the movie dragged for me.
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Reply #32 posted 03/22/10 4:06am

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Jeremy Renner was awesome


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He was excellent. Very gifted and charismatic actor, imo.
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Reply #33 posted 03/22/10 4:36am

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Avatar = great spectacle, horrendous story. Glad I saw it in 3D? Yes. Watch it at home? No.
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Reply #34 posted 03/22/10 4:36am

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Avatar = great spectacle, horrendous story. Glad I saw it in 3D? Yes. Watch it at home? No.
I agree with every word of this.
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Reply #35 posted 03/22/10 5:15am

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sextonseven said:

CarrieMpls said:

I liked Avatar a LOT more than Hurt Locker. But I disagree with him too.

Avatar was very entertaining. Hurt Locker was difficult to watch. But both were well done, just for different reasons. (I wouldn't have given either an oscar, but I do feel hurt Locker was more deserving.)

My problem with the Hurt Locker was that I couldn't find one identifiable character. There weren't enough redeeming qualities within the main character to make him likable. And it ends with you pitying him. Perhaps it's an important story about how horribly war affects people, but if that's the intent, that wasn't quite driven home enough.

Meh. I just really didn't like it.


Interesting that the first woman to win an Oscar for best picture made a movie that turned off female viewers (at least according to you and Ivy).


Interesting, yes, but par for the course also. Historically women have had to act (or dress) like men in order to be taken seriously and make those leaps. Now that it's happened, it opens the door for a woman to win over a movie about, oh, say knitting. But that won't happen for at least another 20 years.
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Reply #36 posted 03/22/10 6:43am

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CarrieMpls said:

Perhaps it's an important story about how horribly war affects people...


Go and watch Grave of the Fireflies. Very, very sad. Very, very upsetting. Myself, my wife and my daughter cried so much after watching that movie.
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Reply #37 posted 03/22/10 10:15am

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CarrieMpls said:

sextonseven said:



Interesting that the first woman to win an Oscar for best picture made a movie that turned off female viewers (at least according to you and Ivy).


Interesting, yes, but par for the course also. Historically women have had to act (or dress) like men in order to be taken seriously and make those leaps. Now that it's happened, it opens the door for a woman to win over a movie about, oh, say knitting. But that won't happen for at least another 20 years.


I doubt even a male director could win an Oscar for a film about knitting. lol
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Reply #38 posted 03/22/10 10:27am

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sextonseven said:



Interesting that the first woman to win an Oscar for best picture made a movie that turned off female viewers (at least according to you and Ivy).
I wouldn't say it turns off female viewers...well, I don't know because I don't really know any chicks into war movies. lol

I hate them and have not seen most but watched this one because of all the hype. I thought Jeremy Renner was awesome and acted much better than Jeff Bridges did in Crazy Heart but so much of the movie dragged for me.


My tastes in films are not masculine by any means (LOVE tragic romantic period pieces cloud9), but I loved The Hurt Locker. Not enough to buy it though. I'd still rather watch An Education on a regular basis. purse
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Reply #39 posted 03/22/10 1:22pm

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Close Encounters should have won in the first place...




cool cool cool cool cool
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Reply #40 posted 03/22/10 1:34pm

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I think ‘Avatar’ was really trying to say something about the planet, about indigenous people, and about how we construct war now, how we privatize it.


I agree with this, but it was so heavy handed about its message. It wasn't great drama, IMO. I liked it and liked its message, I just have serious doubts about any movie using 3-D be the best movie of the year.

But it's also not surprising since MM makes movies with an agenda that he'd appreciate Avatar.
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Reply #41 posted 03/22/10 1:38pm

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CarrieMpls said:

sextonseven said:



Interesting that the first woman to win an Oscar for best picture made a movie that turned off female viewers (at least according to you and Ivy).


Interesting, yes, but par for the course also. Historically women have had to act (or dress) like men in order to be taken seriously and make those leaps. Now that it's happened, it opens the door for a woman to win over a movie about, oh, say knitting. But that won't happen for at least another 20 years.


right, most women seem to abhor violence, but you can guarantee the first female president will not shy away from war because she won't want to be perceived as having "weakness"

I haven't seen The Hurt Locker, but I'm not surprised it sounds unpleasant. I just tried to watch Slumdog Millionaire and now I see why it won, too. lol
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Reply #42 posted 03/22/10 5:46pm

Vendetta1

NDRU said:

CarrieMpls said:



Interesting, yes, but par for the course also. Historically women have had to act (or dress) like men in order to be taken seriously and make those leaps. Now that it's happened, it opens the door for a woman to win over a movie about, oh, say knitting. But that won't happen for at least another 20 years.


right, most women seem to abhor violence, but you can guarantee the first female president will not shy away from war because she won't want to be perceived as having "weakness"

I haven't seen The Hurt Locker, but I'm not surprised it sounds unpleasant. I just tried to watch Slumdog Millionaire and now I see why it won, too. lol
Waging war is easy, finding a peaceful solution is hard. If I were ever president, I would not wage war.
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Reply #43 posted 03/23/10 2:09am

iloveannie

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NDRU said:



right, most women seem to abhor violence, but you can guarantee the first female president will not shy away from war because she won't want to be perceived as having "weakness"

I haven't seen The Hurt Locker, but I'm not surprised it sounds unpleasant. I just tried to watch Slumdog Millionaire and now I see why it won, too. lol
Waging war is easy, finding a peaceful solution is hard. If I were ever president, I would not wage war.


And how quickly you would be overthrown.
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Reply #44 posted 03/23/10 3:26pm

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iloveannie said:

Vendetta1 said:

Waging war is easy, finding a peaceful solution is hard. If I were ever president, I would not wage war.


And how quickly you would be overthrown.
I'm not going to let anyone come over here and fuck with us but I am not going to go start shit over an ego problem either.
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Reply #45 posted 03/23/10 3:33pm

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Vendetta1 said:

iloveannie said:



And how quickly you would be overthrown.
I'm not going to let anyone come over here and fuck with us but I am not going to go start shit over an ego problem either.


I didn't really mean to suggest that a woman would start a war over ego, but more that I believe the first female president will probably not try to be too radically different from male presidents
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Reply #46 posted 03/23/10 3:46pm

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NDRU said:

Vendetta1 said:

I'm not going to let anyone come over here and fuck with us but I am not going to go start shit over an ego problem either.


I didn't really mean to suggest that a woman would start a war over ego, but more that I believe the first female president will probably not try to be too radically different from male presidents
I didn't think you were suggesting that. I was responding to iloveannie.

I just think I would be radically different from male presidents, mainly because I don't believe in war. Some of the shit we go to war about is just ridiculous.
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Reply #47 posted 03/23/10 3:53pm

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NDRU said:



I didn't really mean to suggest that a woman would start a war over ego, but more that I believe the first female president will probably not try to be too radically different from male presidents
I didn't think you were suggesting that. I was responding to iloveannie.

I just think I would be radically different from male presidents, mainly because I don't believe in war. Some of the shit we go to war about is just ridiculous.


I don't believe in war either. I think sometimes a lot of people go into politics thinking they'll be different and then they get in the system and think they need to speak in that language to succeed, and they start to believe the lies that "this war is necessary" or some other such foolishness.

It's sort of like how adults try to justify "complicated adult stuff" to kids, when kids occasionally have the simpler but morally correct answers. "Dad, why do you smoke?" "Well son, I work hard and I need to relax and therefore..." smile
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Reply #48 posted 03/23/10 3:54pm

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NDRU said:

Vendetta1 said:

I didn't think you were suggesting that. I was responding to iloveannie.

I just think I would be radically different from male presidents, mainly because I don't believe in war. Some of the shit we go to war about is just ridiculous.


I don't believe in war either. I think sometimes a lot of people go into politics thinking they'll be different and then they get in the system and think they need to speak in that language to succeed, and they start to believe the lies that "this war is necessary" or some other such foolishness.

It's sort of like how adults try to justify "complicated adult stuff" to kids, when kids occasionally have the simpler but morally correct answers. "Dad, why do you smoke?" "Well son, I work hard and I need to relax and therefore..." smile


Money and power corrupt people. I truly believe that. That's not an excuse, mind you, only an explination.
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Reply #49 posted 03/23/10 3:59pm

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CarrieMpls said:

NDRU said:



I don't believe in war either. I think sometimes a lot of people go into politics thinking they'll be different and then they get in the system and think they need to speak in that language to succeed, and they start to believe the lies that "this war is necessary" or some other such foolishness.

It's sort of like how adults try to justify "complicated adult stuff" to kids, when kids occasionally have the simpler but morally correct answers. "Dad, why do you smoke?" "Well son, I work hard and I need to relax and therefore..." smile


Money and power corrupt people. I truly believe that. That's not an excuse, mind you, only an explination.


true. I also think that as people get older they get caught up in details and lose sight of the big picture. You might understand the details of the Middle East Conflict, world economy, politics, etc, but lose sight of the fact that killing is wrong.

People on the outside might not know the details as well, but often they see things more clearly.
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Reply #50 posted 03/23/10 4:14pm

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Vendetta1 said:

I thought both sucked.


Bingo!! lol

hilarious word!

I see where mike is coming from.
Both films had unforgiveable weaknesses.
small circles, big wheels!
I've got a pretty firm grip on the obvious!
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Reply #51 posted 03/23/10 4:21pm

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TD3 said:



Bingo!! lol

hilarious word!

I see where mike is coming from.
Both films had unforgiveable weaknesses.
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Inglourious Basterds was a better movie than both of them.
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Reply #52 posted 03/23/10 4:45pm

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Rightly said:

TD3 said:



Bingo!! lol

hilarious word!

I see where mike is coming from.
Both films had unforgiveable weaknesses.


Unforgivable? They're just movies. lol

But exactly what cardinal sins did these two films commit?
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Reply #53 posted 03/23/10 4:53pm

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sextonseven said:

Rightly said:


hilarious word!

I see where mike is coming from.
Both films had unforgiveable weaknesses.


Unforgivable? They're just movies. lol

But exactly what cardinal sins did these two films commit?


I did have a little headache after Avatar hmmm
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Reply #54 posted 03/23/10 4:59pm

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NDRU said:

sextonseven said:



Unforgivable? They're just movies. lol

But exactly what cardinal sins did these two films commit?


I did have a little headache after Avatar hmmm


Did your 3D glasses fit correctly?
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Reply #55 posted 03/23/10 5:00pm

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Rightly said:


hilarious word!

I see where mike is coming from.
Both films had unforgiveable weaknesses.
nod

Inglourious Basterds was a better movie than both of them.


The interview with Tarrantino and Brad on the disc is great.
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Reply #56 posted 03/23/10 5:05pm

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sextonseven said:

NDRU said:



I did have a little headache after Avatar hmmm


Did your 3D glasses fit correctly?


I had to sit on the right side of the front row at the IMAX eek so the whole time I was looking up and to the left
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Reply #57 posted 03/23/10 5:08pm

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NDRU said:

sextonseven said:



Did your 3D glasses fit correctly?


I had to sit on the right side of the front row at the IMAX eek so the whole time I was looking up and to the left


That's harsh! I would have had nightmares about blue people afterward.

I always arrive at the IMAX theater at least 45 minutes before start time.
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Reply #58 posted 03/23/10 5:11pm

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sextonseven said:

NDRU said:



I had to sit on the right side of the front row at the IMAX eek so the whole time I was looking up and to the left


That's harsh! I would have had nightmares about blue people afterward.

I always arrive at the IMAX theater at least 45 minutes before start time.


now you tell me!
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Reply #59 posted 03/23/10 5:31pm

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NDRU said:

sextonseven said:



That's harsh! I would have had nightmares about blue people afterward.

I always arrive at the IMAX theater at least 45 minutes before start time.


now you tell me!


Give me a list of all the movies you are seeing in the next six months and I'll tell you how far in advance to get seats. nod
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