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Printablethejason said: JustErin said: Huh? He is talking about it because he knows that what he will say will get him more attention from the public/media. There really is nothing more to it. bullshit Erin...if you listen to his show, he says tons of things daily that are just opinionated conversation relevant to whats going on...you won't convince me that he made these comments in an attempt to get more attention or create controversy... clearly, as pointed out by several posts here, he's only stating the obvious, so how in the hell is that exploitive... But Howard's doing it to stir-up trouble. If you really look at Hollywood, conventional beauty does not necessarily guarantee success or respect either. He's leaving that part out of it! 
Look at Corey Haim, may he RIP. He wasn't a bad looking guy. He had a lot of early success. But..he also had a lot of trouble, too. | |
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deadmansbones said: Somebody else I thought about: Adrian Brody.
I just loved him in The Pianist. He won an Oscar for a once-in-lifetime-role,perfectly suited for him. He was all over the place for a while. Now, not so much. He's working, I think. He's done some movies since.
Then there's my favorite actor, Ryan Gosling. He deliberately chooses sort of "indie" films, from what I've read. He was nominated for an Academy award for Half Nelson. He doesn't choose the most commercial projects all the time. So hopefully, Gabby can find a way to work--whether it be in film or TV. I'm going to have to echoe Butterscotchpimp's afore mentioned victoria secrets sentiments despite the gender differences in the above subjects. | |
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I would not attack her, but her care givers and the other adults in her life that have not interviewed in helping her live a more healthy lifestyle.
She is morbidly (if not super-morbidly) Obese and she needs to take measures to change her life to be more healthy. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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2elijah said: Vendetta1 said: I love her confidence. She is really the only person on the red carpet the other day that had some life to her. She said:
If fashion is porn, this dress is the money shot. You know, I love her confidence, although I am concerned about her weight for obvious health reasons. She is way too young to be carrying that much weight. I do hope she gets on a weight program. Her personality is too beautiful, to see her not take care of this. Like I said, for health reasons, I do hope she gets on a weight program. She's confident, talented and I'd like to see her have a longtime acting career....and by the way F*ck Howard and his ugly, horrendous looking ass. [Edited 3/10/10 8:41am] Yeah, to me it's really more about her long-term health and longevity. That's a valid concern. | |
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OnlyNDaUsa said: I would not attack her, but her care givers and the other adults in her life that have not interviewed in helping her live a more healthy lifestyle.
She is morbidly (if not super-morbidly) Obese and she needs to take measures to change her life to be more healthy. That's where I stand with regards to Howard. He's not a bunch of nobody keyboard commandos like we are. He's actually got alot of reach. And I just think it's damned mean for him to say this just after the poor girl got her limelight!
But anyways, what is this? http://cdn.buzznet.com/me...rds-04.jpg Is that photoshopped or is that real? If it's real the girl needs help sooner than later. Much much sooner. | |
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TheVoid said: deadmansbones said: Somebody else I thought about: Adrian Brody.
I just loved him in The Pianist. He won an Oscar for a once-in-lifetime-role,perfectly suited for him. He was all over the place for a while. Now, not so much. He's working, I think. He's done some movies since.
Then there's my favorite actor, Ryan Gosling. He deliberately chooses sort of "indie" films, from what I've read. He was nominated for an Academy award for Half Nelson. He doesn't choose the most commercial projects all the time. So hopefully, Gabby can find a way to work--whether it be in film or TV. I'm going to have to echoe Butterscotchpimp's afore mentioned victoria secrets sentiments despite the gender differences in the above subjects. What? You'd like to see Adrian Brody and Ryan Gosling in Victoria Secret? | |
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deadmansbones said: TheVoid said: I'm going to have to echoe Butterscotchpimp's afore mentioned victoria secrets sentiments despite the gender differences in the above subjects. What? You'd like to see Adrian Brody and Ryan Gosling in Victoria Secret? I would rather see them in Victoria secret that Gabby for damned sure.
And Adrian Brody is hot. | |
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TheVoid said: deadmansbones said: What? You'd like to see Adrian Brody and Ryan Gosling in Victoria Secret? I would rather see them in Victoria secret that Gabby for damned sure.
And Adrian Brody is hot. See... I think Adrian Brody is interesting looking.. I think Ryan Gosling is HOTT! But I digress! Their "hottness" doesn't guarantee them roles.
And look, I think too much hottness sometimes works against an actor or actress, too!
I just don't think Gabby can be necessarily written off. I do think for health reasons, she might want to lose some weight. | |
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TheVoid said: That's where I stand with regards to Howard. He's not a bunch of nobody keyboard commandos like we are. He's actually got alot of reach. And I just think it's damned mean for him to say this just after the poor girl got her limelight!
Oh please, Howard's soft compared to back in the day. You should have heard him the day after Len Bias died, or when Imus' lung collapsed.  | |
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johnart said: Vendetta1 said: Do people really think she doesn't know she is a big girl? That she doesn't meet Hollywood's standard of beauty? Do people really think she gives a fuck?
If Howard can say what he said about her to her face, I'd think he was less than a coward. I think people realize that she knows. I think she's so endearing that people don't want to see her crushed when part of what made her stand out (to her favor) this year becomes the very thing that makes her yesterday's news. Also, because she's so endearing it automatically puts her on a "You're not allowed to make fun of _____." list. For me.... There's a big difference in making fun or being made fun of and being mean spirited. It seems some people can't differentiate.  I'm with my girl here, whatever you say, you should be able to repeat in the presence of the person don't hide behind a radio mic/Interent. I vaguely recall, years ago Mr. Stern being a guest of The Tonight Show and with Mr. Carson. The second guest came on and was needling Mr. Stern about some comments he had about him. The guy said in affect, 'I'm here now do you have something to say to my face'. Mr. Stern blow off the question and didn't say anything else. | |
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thejason said: JustErin said: Huh? He is talking about it because he knows that what he will say will get him more attention from the public/media. There really is nothing more to it. bullshit Erin...if you listen to his show, he says tons of things daily that are just opinionated conversation relevant to whats going on...you won't convince me that he made these comments in an attempt to get more attention or create controversy... clearly, as pointed out by several posts here, he's only stating the obvious, so how in the hell is that exploitive... Dude, I'm not saying that she is any different than anyone else he rambles on about. That's what he does. But I'm sorry, he makes his fame and money off exploiting others. I have nothing against what he said or even what he does, but he's what is called a "leech" in the business - he leeches off the success (and failure) of others. If it wasn’t for the celebs he talks about he wouldn’t be as famous as he is today because people EAT that kind of shit up. I don’t even dislike the dude. I can agree with a lot of what he says, but he is what he is. | |
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uPtoWnNY said: TheVoid said: That's where I stand with regards to Howard. He's not a bunch of nobody keyboard commandos like we are. He's actually got alot of reach. And I just think it's damned mean for him to say this just after the poor girl got her limelight!
Oh please, Howard's soft compared to back in the day. You should have heard him the day after Len Bias died, or when Imus' lung collapsed. Oh I know. I've heard Howard previously, and from time to time I've caught his show. But I'm not referring to Len Bias or Imus. I'm referring to this young girl. His past behavior doesn't really factor into anything I've said. I stand by my opinion his statements on Gabby are mean spirited.  | |
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JustErin said: Dude...
what the fuck are you carrying on about?? lets be facebook friends... | |
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thejason said: JustErin said: Dude...
what the fuck are you carrying on about?? lets be facebook friends...
No. | |
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TD3 said: johnart said: I think people realize that she knows. I think she's so endearing that people don't want to see her crushed when part of what made her stand out (to her favor) this year becomes the very thing that makes her yesterday's news. Also, because she's so endearing it automatically puts her on a "You're not allowed to make fun of _____." list. For me.... There's a big difference in making fun or being made fun of and being mean spirited. It seems some people can't differentiate. I'm with my girl here, whatever you say, you should be able to repeat in the presence of the person don't hide behind a radio mic/Interent. I vaguely recall, years ago Mr. Stern being a guest of The Tonight Show and with Mr. Carson. The second guest came on and was needling Mr. Stern about some comments he had about him. The guy said in affect, 'I'm here now do you have something to say to my face'. Mr. Stern blow off the question and didn't say anything else.Oh, I'm not disagreeing that Howard was mean spirited or that he should have the balls to say stuff to folks faces. I totally agree on both accounts. I'm just saying there is a certain amount of truth in what he said and that it's not a popular truth. Gabby won our hearts and so you're not supposed to say things like "she's tremendous" or "big as a house" because this is considered cruel. If we were talking about some other "big" woman who the public views in a different light (M'onique, or when Star Jones was big)it wouldn't be as big a deal for a lot of people. There's always gonna be degrees on this. Someone's mean spirited comments will always be another's funny truth. [Edited 3/10/10 9:19am] | |
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johnart said: TD3 said: For me.... There's a big difference in making fun or being made fun of and being mean spirited. It seems some people can't differentiate. I'm with my girl here, whatever you say, you should be able to repeat in the presence of the person don't hide behind a radio mic/Interent. I vaguely recall, years ago Mr. Stern being a guest of The Tonight Show and with Mr. Carson. The second guest came on and was needling Mr. Stern about some comments he had about him. The guy said in affect, 'I'm here now do you have something to say to my face'. Mr. Stern blow off the question and didn't say anything else.Oh, I'm not disagreeing that Howard was mean spirited or that he should have the balls to say stuff to folks faces. I totally agree on both accounts. I'm just saying there is a certain amount of truth in what he said and that it's not a popular truth. Gabby won our hearts and so you're not supposed to say things like "she's tremendous" or "big as a house" because this is considered cruel. If we were talking about some other "big" woman who the public views in a different light (M'onique, or when Star Jones was big)it wouldn't be as big a deal for a lot of people. There's always gonna be degrees on this. Someone's mean spirited comments will always be another's funny truth. What people call the truth or popular truth to me is a load word. Who's truth? You can do this, you'll never be accepted for that, you can't go here, you want be allowd to do this or that, that's the status quo. We'd be in trouble if we readily accepted things as they are defined by someone facts or "truths". | |
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TD3 said: What people call the truth or popular truth to me is a load word. Who's truth? You can do this, you'll never be accepted for that, you can't go here, you want be allowd to do this or that, that's the status quo. We'd be in trouble if we readily accepted things as they are defined by someone facts or "truths". The Truth is the gal is way over weight and someone should help her. One reason we have such obesity in the world is people make excuses for it and some just refuse to accept the truth that they are dangerously obese. To argue that there is no such thing as truth is a self contradiction. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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PurpleRighteous1 said: My problem with what Howard is that, even though it may be true that Hollywood is too shallow to let Gabby have a real career, he said it in a tone that said he believed that she didn't deserve to have a decent career b/c of her weight. And that's a fucked up way to think. Plus he seemed to have a true disgust for the way she looked.
Asshole. that is true, he might make valid points, but seems to revel in being mean. If his target is hollywood, it's unfair that this girl gets hit by his comments. I do like howard, but he's pretty undefendable. My Legacy
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OnlyNDaUsa said: TD3 said: What people call the truth or popular truth to me is a load word. Who's truth? You can do this, you'll never be accepted for that, you can't go here, you want be allowd to do this or that, that's the status quo. We'd be in trouble if we readily accepted things as they are defined by someone facts or "truths". The Truth is the gal is way over weight and someone should help her. One reason we have such obesity in the world is people make excuses for it and some just refuse to accept the truth that they are dangerously obese. To argue that there is no such thing as truth is a self contradiction. I would love if people would fix their own shit so there is not time to criticize others. Btw, carrying extra weight is not an automatic death sentence. | |
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TD3 said: johnart said: Oh, I'm not disagreeing that Howard was mean spirited or that he should have the balls to say stuff to folks faces. I totally agree on both accounts. I'm just saying there is a certain amount of truth in what he said and that it's not a popular truth. Gabby won our hearts and so you're not supposed to say things like "she's tremendous" or "big as a house" because this is considered cruel. If we were talking about some other "big" woman who the public views in a different light (M'onique, or when Star Jones was big)it wouldn't be as big a deal for a lot of people. There's always gonna be degrees on this. Someone's mean spirited comments will always be another's funny truth. What people call the truth or popular truth to me is a load word. Who's truth? You can do this, you'll never be accepted for that, you can't go here, you want be allowd to do this or that, that's the status quo. We'd be in trouble if we readily accepted things as they are defined by someone facts or "truths". Recognizing is not the same as succumbing to. One can accept that a situation exists and overcome it.  [Edited 3/10/10 10:21am] | |
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OnlyNDaUsa said: TD3 said: What people call the truth or popular truth to me is a load word. Who's truth? You can do this, you'll never be accepted for that, you can't go here, you want be allowd to do this or that, that's the status quo. We'd be in trouble if we readily accepted things as they are defined by someone facts or "truths". The Truth is the gal is way over weight and someone should help her. One reason we have such obesity in the world is people make excuses for it and some just refuse to accept the truth that they are dangerously obese. To argue that there is no such thing as truth is a self contradiction. You've noticed she's overwight thank you for pointing that out to me. I said the "truth" is a loaded word. Who's truth.  No were in our conversation did John nor I make "excuses for Ms. Sidibe.
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TD3 said:
You've noticed she's overwight thank you for pointing that out to me.
she is far beyond overweight she is morbidity obese. I said the "truth" is a loaded word. Who's truth.
No were in our conversation did John nor I make "excuses for Ms. Sidibe.My thing on that is there is only one truth. If it is true then it is true no matter who you are. Truth has to be absolut. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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johnart said: TD3 said: What people call the truth or popular truth to me is a load word. Who's truth? You can do this, you'll never be accepted for that, you can't go here, you want be allowd to do this or that, that's the status quo. We'd be in trouble if we readily accepted things as they are defined by someone facts or "truths". Recognizing is not the same as succumbing to. One can accept that a situation exists and overcome it.
I couldn't agree with you more John. 
I recall actor Joe Morton (Brother From Another Planet) said when he as starting out several agents/casting directors told him he should find another line of work; he would never have a career because he was ugly. | |
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TD3 said: johnart said: Recognizing is not the same as succumbing to. One can accept that a situation exists and overcome it.
I couldn't agree with you more John.
I recall actor Joe Morton (Brother From Another Planet) said when he as starting out several agents/casting directors told him he should find another line of work; he would never have a career because he was ugly. many successful actors were told they would never make it, I think Harrison Ford was one of them. And those stories are great and inspirational and everything, but you know what Most people that get told they can not act and will never make it...can not act and never make it. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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ButterscotchPimp said: First of all, i'll preface what i'm about to say by stating that i'm a Howard fan. I wasn't at first, because I hadn't listened to him enough to know what he's about.
So firstly, Howard's not "racist". He may discuss racially charged issues with a level of irreverence that's not comfortable for some people, but he's not "racist". Secondly, what he said about Gabby is DEAD ON. You may not like it, but everything he said is true. The fact that she got nominated for a Best Actress nomination out of the gate for that role was a perfect storm of sorts. What is she going to do now? She's going to be on SHOWTIME. How many other Best Actress nominees do you know follow up their Oscar winning performance by going on cable television? That's his point. You can debate the fakery of Hollywood and how it's plastic and shallow, and all of those things would be true. So then what IS she going to do now? How many roles like "Precious" is she going to be able to be "right for the part?" That's his point. She may be the most talented actress on the planet. But LOOKING AT HER, realistically how many roles in HOLLYWOOD is she going to be able to get going forward? Time will tell. Anyhoo, that's my two cents. Too early for that. But if we're gonna draw that conclusion based on the Oscar(aka cigarette smoke) lets dig up the past and analyze; pick a black actress(save Whoopi) ANY black actress who won/got nominated for the Oscars and watch how her career changed drastically after that, and not for the BETTER. Hattie McDanials - Nobody in Hollywood touched her after "Gone With The Wind", hence why she worked in TV shows. Angela - Still struggling for roles after Tina's bio save for "Exhale". Halle - Still struggling for roles and we don't know whats the verdict on her upcoming drama movie. Lynn Whitfield - Do I need to say it? Cicely Tyson - Same as Angela & Halle. And like Hattie, TV became her safe net as well. Dorothy Dandridge - We all know the end of that story. Recognise a pattern? And notice that all of those ladies vary in weight and complexion. Its deeper than just a fat ass if we're really gonna talk about it. Hollywood has NO love for black women, PERIOD. Its too early to judge on what the future hold for Gabby and YES newly Oscar winner Mo'Nique. I truly hope that they enjoy a fruitful career, but if not, its because of a reason BIGGER than their weight. | |
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Harlepolis said: ButterscotchPimp said: First of all, i'll preface what i'm about to say by stating that i'm a Howard fan. I wasn't at first, because I hadn't listened to him enough to know what he's about.
So firstly, Howard's not "racist". He may discuss racially charged issues with a level of irreverence that's not comfortable for some people, but he's not "racist". Secondly, what he said about Gabby is DEAD ON. You may not like it, but everything he said is true. The fact that she got nominated for a Best Actress nomination out of the gate for that role was a perfect storm of sorts. What is she going to do now? She's going to be on SHOWTIME. How many other Best Actress nominees do you know follow up their Oscar winning performance by going on cable television? That's his point. You can debate the fakery of Hollywood and how it's plastic and shallow, and all of those things would be true. So then what IS she going to do now? How many roles like "Precious" is she going to be able to be "right for the part?" That's his point. She may be the most talented actress on the planet. But LOOKING AT HER, realistically how many roles in HOLLYWOOD is she going to be able to get going forward? Time will tell. Anyhoo, that's my two cents. Too early for that. But if we're gonna draw that conclusion based on the Oscar(aka cigarette smoke) lets dig up the past and analyze; pick a black actress(save Whoopi) ANY black actress who won/got nominated for the Oscars and watch how her career changed drastically after that, and not for the BETTER. Hattie McDanials - Nobody in Hollywood touched her after "Gone With The Wind", hence why she worked in TV shows. Angela - Still struggling for roles after Tina's bio save for "Exhale". Halle - Still struggling for roles and we don't know whats the verdict on her upcoming drama movie. Lynn Whitfield - Do I need to say it? Cicely Tyson - Same as Angela & Halle. And like Hattie, TV became her safe net as well. Dorothy Dandridge - We all know the end of that story. Recognise a pattern? And notice that all of those ladies vary in weight and complexion. Its deeper than just a fat ass if we're really gonna talk about it. Hollywood has NO love for black women, PERIOD. Its too early to judge on what the future hold for Gabby and YES newly Oscar winner Mo'Nique. I truly hope that they enjoy a fruitful career, but if not, its because of a reason BIGGER than their weight. Okay did that. I'mma leave Hattie out of the argument because those were very difficult times for blacks in general. there just wasn't a ton of work. So let's continue. Dorothy Dandridge started her career in 1935 and did 26 films before she was nominated and did 5 after. Diana Ross got nominated for her debut performance (like Gabby) and only did 2 more films (Mahogany and The Wiz) but you could argue that she focused on her music career because she was quite prolific musically at the time. Cicely Tyson mostly did TV work before her film career got going. She did 3 films before she got nominated and did 8 films after and a ton of tv work. Diahann Carroll did 6 films before she got nominated and afterwards got her own tv series, did a ton of tv work (most notably Dynasty and the Colbys in the 80's) and did 2 films after. Whoopi Goldberg started on cable tv doing standup, right? she did 1 film before she got nominated and has done 33 films since, and obviously is still working A LOT. Angela Bassett started on tv and did 7 films before she got nominated and has done 19 films since and has done a ton of tv work. Halle Berry started on tv and did 16 movies before she got nominated and has done 7 since and has 3 in pre-production at the moment. HOWEVER, she did Catwoman. Which certainly slowed her down a bit (because that movie was AWFUL). so what was your point again? http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ButterscotchPimp said: Harlepolis said: Too early for that. But if we're gonna draw that conclusion based on the Oscar(aka cigarette smoke) lets dig up the past and analyze; pick a black actress(save Whoopi) ANY black actress who won/got nominated for the Oscars and watch how her career changed drastically after that, and not for the BETTER. Hattie McDanials - Nobody in Hollywood touched her after "Gone With The Wind", hence why she worked in TV shows. Angela - Still struggling for roles after Tina's bio save for "Exhale". Halle - Still struggling for roles and we don't know whats the verdict on her upcoming drama movie. Lynn Whitfield - Do I need to say it? Cicely Tyson - Same as Angela & Halle. And like Hattie, TV became her safe net as well. Dorothy Dandridge - We all know the end of that story. Recognise a pattern? And notice that all of those ladies vary in weight and complexion. Its deeper than just a fat ass if we're really gonna talk about it. Hollywood has NO love for black women, PERIOD. Its too early to judge on what the future hold for Gabby and YES newly Oscar winner Mo'Nique. I truly hope that they enjoy a fruitful career, but if not, its because of a reason BIGGER than their weight. Okay did that. I'mma leave Hattie out of the argument because those were very difficult times for blacks in general. there just wasn't a ton of work. So let's continue. Dorothy Dandridge started her career in 1935 and did 26 films before she was nominated and did 5 after. Diana Ross got nominated for her debut performance (like Gabby) and only did 2 more films (Mahogany and The Wiz) but you could argue that she focused on her music career because she was quite prolific musically at the time. Cicely Tyson mostly did TV work before her film career got going. She did 3 films before she got nominated and did 8 films after and a ton of tv work. Diahann Carroll did 6 films before she got nominated and afterwards got her own tv series, did a ton of tv work (most notably Dynasty and the Colbys in the 80's) and did 2 films after. Whoopi Goldberg started on cable tv doing standup, right? she did 1 film before she got nominated and has done 33 films since, and obviously is still working A LOT. Angela Bassett started on tv and did 7 films before she got nominated and has done 19 films since and has done a ton of tv work. Halle Berry started on tv and did 16 movies before she got nominated and has done 7 since and has 3 in pre-production at the moment. HOWEVER, she did Catwoman. Which certainly slowed her down a bit (because that movie was AWFUL). so what was your point again? Gabby has 2 films in post production and she's one of the main principles in Showtimes new dark comedy called The Big C... she's getting work couple with the fact that she started losing weight.. [Edited 3/10/10 16:34pm] | |
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banks said: Gabby has 2 films in post production and she's one of the main principles in Showtimes new dark comedy called The Big C... she's getting work couple with the fact that she started losing weight.. [Edited 3/10/10 16:34pm] Good to know she is getting work after her role in "Precious". She did say she wanted to do some comedy, and so glad to hear she is starting to lose weight. | |
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SCNDLS said: Vendetta1 said: I love her confidence. She is really the only person on the red carpet the other day that had some life to her. She said:
If fashion is porn, this dress is the money shot. I've been telling folks that quote since Sunday. She's one witty bitch  I would've expected it to be one of yours . . . . I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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2elijah said: banks said: Gabby has 2 films in post production and she's one of the main principles in Showtimes new dark comedy called The Big C... she's getting work couple with the fact that she started losing weight.. [Edited 3/10/10 16:34pm] Good to know she is getting work after her role in "Precious". She did say she wanted to do some comedy, and so glad to hear she is starting to lose weight. yea... I know she's done filming the movie with Lenny's daughter Zoe.. so that's coming this year and the Showtimes series is coming this summer [Edited 3/10/10 16:43pm] | |
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