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Reply #90 posted 03/10/10 7:40am

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I repeat Howard Stern has got to be one of the most unattractive men I've ever seen in my life--and he managed to have a career in entertainment... albeit radio! lol

The thing is... I'm sure Gabby realizes she has obstacles to face. I'm sure she faces obstacles every. single. day. It's not like Howard is telling her something she doesn't already know.

Against all odds, Gabby was cast in this movie. Against all odds, she was nominated for an academy award.. and all that goes with it.

However, I still would imagine she realizes she is still going to have obstacles. But looking at Howard Stern's success, there is no reason why Gabby couldn't have the same type of success even though she does not fit a "stereotype" of beauty?

She's made it this far. Who is Howard Stern to give her a reality check?


What odds? The fact is that this role called for certain specifics that she filled. It's not against all odds that she did a fantastic job and was honored by being nominated.

However, she will have a hard time getting any other acting role but the "fat girl" because Hollywood (which simply puts out what the PUBLIC wants to see) will never allow her to be anything other than that.

It's a shame, but it's not Hollywood's fault, it's all of ours - the consumers.



Which is basically what Howard Stern said. Again, not that "shocking" if you think about it, and certainly has a ring of truth to it.
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Reply #91 posted 03/10/10 7:41am

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Some of the most beautiful actresses NEVER get a role like that...just look at Farrah Fawcett! Ironcially enough, Gabby achieved something Farrah could achieve in a lifetime and for that achievement will always be remembered by "The Academy."

As far as Gabby's future, as I said, I am sure she is well-aware there will be obstacles. There are obstacles for all of them. Like most, the best she can do at the moment is strike while the iron is hot. Hopefully, she's got a good agent.. somebody advising her.


That still doesn't make it against all odds at all. The odds were actually in her favor as she had the look and talent that they needed for that movie.


I'm not demeaning her talent or looks. I'm just saying there aren't many once-in-a-lifetime-roles--career defining roles--for a lot of actresses if not most.

Regardless of looks or talent, some work the business FOREVER and never get a "role" perfectly suited for them to shine--to show them at their best.

So as far as I'm concerned, the odds are against ANY working actress finding such a role. Gabby's success is a fluke--not necessarily because of her particular beauty or talent but because it just doesn't happen all that much.

Look at Tatum O'Neal. Didn't she win an Oscar when she was a little girl . What was the name of the movie--Paper Moon? I'd say that role was perfect for her, too. Now, she can't even buy a movie role for a variety of reasons.
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Reply #92 posted 03/10/10 7:45am

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First of all, i'll preface what i'm about to say by stating that i'm a Howard fan. I wasn't at first, because I hadn't listened to him enough to know what he's about.

So firstly, Howard's not "racist". He may discuss racially charged issues with a level of irreverence that's not comfortable for some people, but he's not "racist".


Secondly, what he said about Gabby is DEAD ON. You may not like it, but everything he said is true. The fact that she got nominated for a Best Actress nomination out of the gate for that role was a perfect storm of sorts. What is she going to do now? She's going to be on SHOWTIME.

How many other Best Actress nominees do you know follow up their Oscar winning performance by going on cable television? That's his point. You can debate the fakery of Hollywood and how it's plastic and shallow, and all of those things would be true. So then what IS she going to do now? How many roles like "Precious" is she going to be able to be "right for the part?"

That's his point. She may be the most talented actress on the planet. But LOOKING AT HER, realistically how many roles in HOLLYWOOD is she going to be able to get going forward? Time will tell.


Anyhoo, that's my two cents.



lol
I agree with what Howard said specific to Gabby but not in general. There are a lot of 'fat, ugly' actresses who have maintained careers, Oprah being one, and Cathy Baits being the other. But both are very talented and accomplished actresses. I haven't seen Precious yet, but I'm assuming it was role she was perfect for and there are only so many 'Precious' types roles the industry would dream up (and those are the only ones I can conceive her being considered for, honestly)... and let's face it, she is too fat and ugly to get normal hollywood roles.

But personally, if I was Howard I would have refrained from saying what he said for simple fact that this is a young woman who only recently had her day. Why spoil it, no? It's kind of mean.

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I'm going to say this as nicely as I can.


Oprah Winfrey and Kathy Bates are freaking Victoria's Secret supermodels standing next to Gabby. Sorry, but it's true. The role for "Precious" called for an overweight and unattractive girl, and they found one that can act. Howard's point is, how many overweight and unattractive girl roles can she get? Oprah's done what one movie? Kathy Bates can act, period. She can go from psycho crazy in "Misery" to Adam Sandler's mom in "The Waterboy".
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Reply #93 posted 03/10/10 7:48am

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thejason said:

TheVoid said:

But personally, if I was Howard I would have refrained from saying what he said for simple fact that this is a young woman who only recently had her day. Why spoil it, no? It's kind of mean.



c'mon Dan...even the most loved and adored people in the moment know somebody isn't feeling them...everybody has critics...

example...
you're considered the orger...and you still have your fair share of howard sterns here...lol

falloff

I have my fair share of Howard Sterns on this damned thread! lol


touched
They just want to get ahold of my fat, black, 'Precious' ky


But critics are not, isn't kind of mean to say shit like that about the girl on the heals of her night? It's like Howard Kanye'd that poor girl

He's got a HUGE audience, and I think he's funny as hell. But now there's a bunch of folks walking around dissing that poor girl just cause they heard him.
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Reply #94 posted 03/10/10 7:49am

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lol
I agree with what Howard said specific to Gabby but not in general. There are a lot of 'fat, ugly' actresses who have maintained careers, Oprah being one, and Cathy Baits being the other. But both are very talented and accomplished actresses. I haven't seen Precious yet, but I'm assuming it was role she was perfect for and there are only so many 'Precious' types roles the industry would dream up (and those are the only ones I can conceive her being considered for, honestly)... and let's face it, she is too fat and ugly to get normal hollywood roles.

But personally, if I was Howard I would have refrained from saying what he said for simple fact that this is a young woman who only recently had her day. Why spoil it, no? It's kind of mean.

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I'm going to say this as nicely as I can.


Oprah Winfrey and Kathy Bates are freaking Victoria's Secret supermodels standing next to Gabby. Sorry, but it's true. The role for "Precious" called for an overweight and unattractive girl, and they found one that can act. Howard's point is, how many overweight and unattractive girl roles can she get? Oprah's done what one movie? Kathy Bates can act, period. She can go from psycho crazy in "Misery" to Adam Sandler's mom in "The Waterboy".


falloff!!!!




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Reply #95 posted 03/10/10 7:50am

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This is exactly right.

ok...one of y'all is gonna have to tell me how Howards opinion is exploiting her...lol


Do you think Howard Stern really "cares"? In fact, Howard is part of the machine. As I recall, he pretty much "buys into" the ideal of female beauty, nevermind he's one ugly man! lol

Besides, as others have said, there are successful character actresses, not conforming to that ideal. And there are others, known for their beauty, not even getting a break.

No, Howard just saying stuff to get a rise out of people. That's what he does.
So now he's pointing-out the obvious as if Gabby herself has never even thought about it.
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Reply #96 posted 03/10/10 7:52am

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lol
I agree with what Howard said specific to Gabby but not in general. There are a lot of 'fat, ugly' actresses who have maintained careers, Oprah being one, and Cathy Baits being the other. But both are very talented and accomplished actresses. I haven't seen Precious yet, but I'm assuming it was role she was perfect for and there are only so many 'Precious' types roles the industry would dream up (and those are the only ones I can conceive her being considered for, honestly)... and let's face it, she is too fat and ugly to get normal hollywood roles.

But personally, if I was Howard I would have refrained from saying what he said for simple fact that this is a young woman who only recently had her day. Why spoil it, no? It's kind of mean.

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I'm going to say this as nicely as I can.


Oprah Winfrey and Kathy Bates are freaking Victoria's Secret supermodels standing next to Gabby. Sorry, but it's true. The role for "Precious" called for an overweight and unattractive girl, and they found one that can act. Howard's point is, how many overweight and unattractive girl roles can she get? Oprah's done what one movie? Kathy Bates can act, period. She can go from psycho crazy in "Misery" to Adam Sandler's mom in "The Waterboy".

Oh I completely agree with that point.
She's pretty much done for, and I don't think it'll take 2 years.

The International market for 'Precious' isn't there. It's an American film, that made some stir, and it will blink out.
Ergo, there's not that much incentive to churn out movies like that. And those are the only ones she'd probably cast into.

But my point was just that it was kind of mean raining on her parade so early in the game considering the size of his audience. And Bubba the damned loves sponge will probably have his 2 cents too.

But you never know. I mean, I can't believe Kevin Costner or Eddie Murphy have careers and they do. lol


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Reply #97 posted 03/10/10 7:52am

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But now there's a bunch of folks walking around dissing that poor girl just cause they heard him.

nah, I dont think it's that serious...Howard talks about tons of things in the course of a show, I'm not convinced this would be the one that would stick with most of his fans...it's obviously non-fans that have taken the most issue with it...
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Reply #98 posted 03/10/10 7:56am

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TheVoid said:

But now there's a bunch of folks walking around dissing that poor girl just cause they heard him.

nah, I dont think it's that serious...Howard talks about tons of things in the course of a show, I'm not convinced this would be the one that would stick with most of his fans...it's obviously non-fans that have taken the most issue with it...


I'm actually more neutral on Howard Stern except he's pretty ugly. I just find it amusing he would talk about anybody looks when he manage to make a shitload in spite of being unfortunate looking.

I responded to the topic here.

I just think entertainment is a difficult industry, regardless.
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Reply #99 posted 03/10/10 7:57am

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thejason said:

JustErin said:



This is exactly right.

ok...one of y'all is gonna have to tell me how Howards opinion is exploiting her...lol


Because she is the "it girl" de jour, he too is chiming in on her. If he knew talking about her wouldn't get a response, he would never have even mentioned her. It's not his opinion per say, it's his voicing of his opinion.
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Reply #100 posted 03/10/10 7:58am

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deadmansbones said:

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nah, I dont think it's that serious...Howard talks about tons of things in the course of a show, I'm not convinced this would be the one that would stick with most of his fans...it's obviously non-fans that have taken the most issue with it...


I'm actually more neutral on Howard Stern except he's pretty ugly. I just find it amusing he would talk about anybody looks when he manage to make a shitload in spite of being unfortunate looking.

I responded to the topic here.

I just think entertainment is a difficult industry, regardless.

His audience is devout because he just says shit that's often on their minds.
It doesn't matter what a person looks like, especially a radio personality if they connect with people.

My thing is I just think 'mean humor' is something reserved for Politicians and people in power who deserve it. This poor Gabby chick--I mean, she JUST had her night. I'm sure the comments have already reached the poor girl.

I just think it's kind of mean. shrug


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Reply #101 posted 03/10/10 8:00am

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JustErin said:

thejason said:


ok...one of y'all is gonna have to tell me how Howards opinion is exploiting her...lol


Because she is the "it girl" de jour, he too is chiming in on her. If he knew talking about her wouldn't get a response, he would never have even mentioned her. It's not his opinion per say, it's his voicing of his opinion.


I just dont see how voicing an opinion exploits...

does that mean you exploit me when you call me a fuckface??
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Reply #102 posted 03/10/10 8:02am

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I just think it's kind of mean. shrug[


dude, what's mean is when she was interviewed on TV and said she wanted Justin Timberlake to be her date for the Oscars...

there was no sense in her putting JT in an awkard situation like that...lol
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Reply #103 posted 03/10/10 8:02am

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Reply #104 posted 03/10/10 8:03am

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Because she is the "it girl" de jour, he too is chiming in on her. If he knew talking about her wouldn't get a response, he would never have even mentioned her. It's not his opinion per say, it's his voicing of his opinion.


I just dont see how voicing an opinion exploits...

does that mean you exploit me when you call me a fuckface??


No, because no one give a shit about you or what I call you. biggrin

The bottom line is he is talking about her simply because talking about her gets attention. Otherwise, he'd not bother to even mention her in this type of public way.
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ButterscotchPimp said:




I'm going to say this as nicely as I can.


Oprah Winfrey and Kathy Bates are freaking Victoria's Secret supermodels standing next to Gabby. Sorry, but it's true. The role for "Precious" called for an overweight and unattractive girl, and they found one that can act. Howard's point is, how many overweight and unattractive girl roles can she get? Oprah's done what one movie? Kathy Bates can act, period. She can go from psycho crazy in "Misery" to Adam Sandler's mom in "The Waterboy".


falloff!!!!



good lord. that photoshop pic haunts me in my dreams.

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Reply #106 posted 03/10/10 8:04am

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nah, I dont think it's that serious...Howard talks about tons of things in the course of a show, I'm not convinced this would be the one that would stick with most of his fans...it's obviously non-fans that have taken the most issue with it...


I'm actually more neutral on Howard Stern except he's pretty ugly. I just find it amusing he would talk about anybody looks when he manage to make a shitload in spite of being unfortunate looking.

I responded to the topic here.

I just think entertainment is a difficult industry, regardless.




Soooo in pretty much every post you have posted on this thread you have called howard ugly, which I totally agree with you there, but you seem to be doing the same thing to him that he did to Gabby... Just cuz your not famous doesnt make it anyless wrong... Just saying.. shrug
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Reply #107 posted 03/10/10 8:05am

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deadmansbones said:



I'm actually more neutral on Howard Stern except he's pretty ugly. I just find it amusing he would talk about anybody looks when he manage to make a shitload in spite of being unfortunate looking.

I responded to the topic here.

I just think entertainment is a difficult industry, regardless.

His audience is devout because he just says shit that's often on their minds.
It doesn't matter what a person looks like, especially a radio personality if they connect with people.

My thing is I just think 'mean humor' is something reserved for Politicians and people in power who deserve it. This poor Gabby chick--I mean, she JUST had her night. I'm sure the comments have already reached the poor girl.

I just think it's kind of mean. shrug


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Poor girl? She was nominated for a damn Oscar! She's made her mark in movie history.

Now... look at Farrah Fawcett--considered a great beauty. She didn't even get a mention at the ceremony in spite of acting in her share of movies..shrug
So beauty is as beauty does.

I don't know the future for Gabby, but nobody can take away her achievement--ever. It's in the books.

I just think it's premature for people to be writing her off. On the other hand, being written off happens even to the most beautiful actresses...
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Reply #108 posted 03/10/10 8:05am

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TheVoid said:

I just think it's kind of mean. shrug[


dude, what's mean is when she was interviewed on TV and said she wanted Justin Timberlake to be her date for the Oscars...

there was no sense in her putting JT in an awkard situation like that...lol

Did she really say that? omfg falloff!!!!


Lawd, I'm sure Justin would do it if it boiled down to a choice between her and octomom, but damn. lol


ok ok.... imma stop before I come back as a cockroach.
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Reply #109 posted 03/10/10 8:08am

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Let's face it, Hollywood has filled it's "Acceptably Large" woman quota with Queen, America (if she doesn't get skinny), Jill Scott and J-Hud. Gabby will probably get cast again by Lee and perhaps by Tyler Perry. Outside of that her chances will probably rest on indie filmmakers. I do hope they use her. We'll see.
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Reply #110 posted 03/10/10 8:10am

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No, because no one give a shit about you or what I call you. biggrin

The bottom line is he is talking about her simply because talking about her gets attention. Otherwise, he'd not bother to even mention her in this type of public way.


the org hate I feel for you gets a lil stronger everyday...hug

hmm..I think he was talking about her simply because it was topical not because he thought it was gonna be an attention grabbing segment widely discussed on prince fansite...lol

now, today on his show is the tiger woods mistress beauty pageant...thats real exploitation, not that nickel and dime shit you're trying to pass off as exploitation...
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Reply #111 posted 03/10/10 8:15am

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tinaz said:

deadmansbones said:



I'm actually more neutral on Howard Stern except he's pretty ugly. I just find it amusing he would talk about anybody looks when he manage to make a shitload in spite of being unfortunate looking.

I responded to the topic here.

I just think entertainment is a difficult industry, regardless.




Soooo in pretty much every post you have posted on this thread you have called howard ugly, which I totally agree with you there, but you seem to be doing the same thing to him that he did to Gabby... Just cuz your not famous doesnt make it anyless wrong... Just saying.. shrug


Well yeah, I'm just pointing out the irony in Howard talking about Gabby's looks. He's the one who brought it up, so can't I state the obvious, too--or what's obvious TO ME?

And as I've ALSO said many times, Howard is extremely successful in entertainment in spite of his *ahem* unconventional appearance. He even had a TV show for a while there.

If HE can have success, why not Gabby?
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tinaz said:





Soooo in pretty much every post you have posted on this thread you have called howard ugly, which I totally agree with you there, but you seem to be doing the same thing to him that he did to Gabby... Just cuz your not famous doesnt make it anyless wrong... Just saying.. shrug


Well yeah, I'm just pointing out the irony in Howard talking about Gabby's looks. He's the one who brought it up, so can't I state the obvious, too--or what's obvious TO ME?

And as I've ALSO said many times, Howard is extremely successful in entertainment in spite of his *ahem* unconventional appearance. He even had a TV show for a while there.



And a movie! lol
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Reply #113 posted 03/10/10 8:22am

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Do people really think she doesn't know she is a big girl? That she doesn't meet Hollywood's standard of beauty? Do people really think she gives a fuck?

If Howard can say what he said about her to her face, I'd think he was less than a coward.
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Reply #114 posted 03/10/10 8:22am

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deadmansbones said:



Well yeah, I'm just pointing out the irony in Howard talking about Gabby's looks. He's the one who brought it up, so can't I state the obvious, too--or what's obvious TO ME?

And as I've ALSO said many times, Howard is extremely successful in entertainment in spite of his *ahem* unconventional appearance. He even had a TV show for a while there.



And a movie! lol


So there ya go! lol If Howard can, why not Gabby?
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Reply #115 posted 03/10/10 8:31am

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JustErin said:

No, because no one give a shit about you or what I call you. biggrin

The bottom line is he is talking about her simply because talking about her gets attention. Otherwise, he'd not bother to even mention her in this type of public way.


the org hate I feel for you gets a lil stronger everyday...hug

hmm..I think he was talking about her simply because it was topical not because he thought it was gonna be an attention grabbing segment widely discussed on prince fansite...lol

now, today on his show is the tiger woods mistress beauty pageant...thats real exploitation, not that nickel and dime shit you're trying to pass off as exploitation...


Huh?

He is talking about it because he knows that what he will say will get him more attention from the public/media. There really is nothing more to it.
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Do people really think she doesn't know she is a big girl? That she doesn't meet Hollywood's standard of beauty? Do people really think she gives a fuck?

If Howard can say what he said about her to her face, I'd think he was less than a coward.


I think people realize that she knows. I think she's so endearing that people don't want to see her crushed when part of what made her stand out (to her favor) this year becomes the very thing that makes her yesterday's news.

Also, because she's so endearing it automatically puts her on a "You're not allowed to make fun of _____." list.
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Reply #117 posted 03/10/10 8:38am

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Huh?

He is talking about it because he knows that what he will say will get him more attention from the public/media. There really is nothing more to it.


bullshit Erin...if you listen to his show, he says tons of things daily that are just opinionated conversation relevant to whats going on...you won't convince me that he made these comments in an attempt to get more attention or create controversy...
clearly, as pointed out by several posts here, he's only stating the obvious, so how in the hell is that exploitive...
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Reply #118 posted 03/10/10 8:39am

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Somebody else I thought about: Adrian Brody.

I just loved him in The Pianist. He won an Oscar for a once-in-lifetime-role,perfectly suited for him.

He was all over the place for a while.

Now, not so much. lol He's working, I think. lol He's done some movies since.

Then there's my favorite actor, Ryan Gosling. He deliberately chooses sort of "indie" films, from what I've read. He was nominated for an Academy award for Half Nelson. He doesn't choose the most commercial projects all the time.

So hopefully, Gabby can find a way to work--whether it be in film or TV.
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Reply #119 posted 03/10/10 8:41am

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SCNDLS said:


nod I think that's his REAL problem. I haven't listened to his comments and don't plan to, but I've noticed that many people are put off by her joyful exuberance and self confidence and have to respond with some bullshit to diminish that.

So, I'm back to FUCK Howard Stern's bitchass AND the Robin he rode in on. finger
I love her confidence. She is really the only person on the red carpet the other day that had some life to her. She said:

If fashion is porn, this dress is the money shot. lol



You know, I love her confidence, although I am concerned about her weight for obvious health reasons. She is way too young to be carrying that much weight. I do hope she gets on a weight program. Her personality is too beautiful, to see her not take care of this. Like I said, for health reasons, I do hope she gets on a weight program. She's confident, talented and I'd like to see her have a longtime acting career....and by the way F*ck Howard and his ugly, horrendous looking ass.
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