NDRU said:

most of these dolls don't move much, you do have to manoevre them into position I'm not really inferring violence - flipping around a blow up lady is what came to my mind

I can use a vibrator to a successful end without even undressing or moving, nothing like real sex IMO.

ZombieKitten said:

exactly, it's whatever YOU make of it, men want it to be what it is--as close to being with a woman as possible without having to go through any actual effort.

I have to say once again, I can't imagine the man who actually buys one of these things!

NDRU said:

and you wouldn't call that a little dehumanizing?

CarrieMpls said:

CarrieMpls said:

well I was sort of joking about the mindset of the person who spends thousands on something like this. But I'm trying to defend a man's mindset in general.

What you might see as dehumanizing is simply a way to satisfy one's self. We could call a vibrator some kind of robot fantasy, but I see it as just an efficient way of getting a woman off that may work well with her psychologically, too.

A doll is the same thing. Why should it be gross or disrespectful just because you don't think it's sexy?

NDRU said:

I just don't think a woman doll is equal to a dildo or vibe, a fleshlight is, I agree.

ZombieKitten said:

exactly.

ZombieKitten said:

it's all the same thing, a way to get off alone, basically the definition of "dehumanization"

ZombieKitten said:

They're analogous, let's say, like porn is to romance novels.

NDRU said:

How I see it? A vibrator or dildo is something women use when they are single (or even with a RL partner). In most cases. If the man in my life right now lived near me I wouldn't need it at all. It's good to use on the phone when talking to my man. So, in most cases it is just a substitute until you find someone or until you are with that person you are involved with. But these dolls are for men who just want a woman who will shut the fuck up or talk about football. I can't really see a guy using one of these dolls while he's talking to his lover across the country, can you?

No, this is what they wish women would act like in real life. Whereas I don't want my man to act like a dildo in real life.

There was a thread before about this and a video documenting the men who buy these things was up. I don't feel like finding it right now but I will.

NDRU said:

I agree with you on that point, that is removing the human element
however, (although black adder was careful to use the word dildo) instead of vibrator, vibes do things humans can't so it's something else altogether

noimageatall said:

I totally disagree, I think something so extreme like this is for men who don't know how to have a relationship with a woman, meaning they're probably too scared/psychologically scarred.

NDRU said:

but who else would even considering spending that much on one?

ZombieKitten said:

right, even though I am defending the concept, something so extreme speaks of a person with issues IMO

ZombieKitten said:

That is my point too. There has to be a big market for these things or they wouldn't go to all the trouble of even making them. So either there are a lot of psychologically scarred men out there or...

NDRU said:

and there is no stigma surrounding the use of a vibe for a woman, since it isn't a man replacement by any means

this pretend woman is ultimately for those who want a woman replacement, for those who can't or won't relate to a REAL woman

noimageatall said:

and that's a frightening thought

but if selling these to men who might otherwise try to dominate and use force on a real woman to get her to do what he wants against her will, then perhaps it's not a bad thing?

ZombieKitten said:

Sadly, I don't believe a man who wants to dominate or humiliate a female will be satisfied with this thing. They won't be able to see fear in their eyes. They will just use this thing first and then go find a real woman to abuse.

noimageatall said:

so they program this robot to say "NOOOOO DON'T HURT ME! OOOOOWWWWW STOP!!!!"

ZombieKitten said:

I don't think it necessarily HAS to replace a woman, it's just that if you're spending thousands and devoting part of your closet to it, you probably ARE replacing one! But make it $40 and fit into a drawer, and more normal guys might buy one.

Look at it this way. Guys use porn all the time. That looks like a woman, but doesn't feel like a woman. The doll sort of feels AND looks like a woman.

Porn is visual stimulation, vibrators are physical. This is physical & visual (I completely disregard the talking aspect of it, I don't believe for a second that guys buy these things to talk to them!)

I agree that a fleshlight might be closer in design to a dildo, but I think all these things--porn, vibrators, dolls--all serve the same purpose, and all can be over used, abused, and unfortunately end up as a substitute for a real relationship for some people.

ZombieKitten said:

What a great idea!!



Lawd...

ZombieKitten said:

that's terrible! No, I think that in the best and worst scenarios, there's no substitute for a real person.

ZombieKitten said:

or worst yet make a young version.

RICH psychologically scarred men

ZombieKitten said:

why is it that women resent anything that gives men pleasure?
[Edited 1/11/10 17:25pm]

whistle said:

Hush now...only the frigid ones feel that way.

Mmmkay... so I know that I haven't gotten any in forever, but there would be NO WAY IN HELL that I would get a giant talking rubber thing...

Found the video...

http://www.documentary-lo...and-dolls/

whistle said:

Maybe because men have been know throughout time to deny women the right to seek their own... Think chastity belts, the Bible, religion, the inherent double standard that still pervades society, and the list could go on and on and on.