lazycrockett said:

to quote the old MTV slogan, "too much is never enough"

NDRU said:

Oh didn't care for dialogue or anything, I just liked to look at him.

ScarletScandal said:

dude looks like a lady

lazycrockett said:

And there was really no reason for it. I never understood it. Wil's a very funny guy, and very smart. Even he has a good sense of humor about his time on ST:TNG. I kept up w/ his blog for a long time; always enjoyed it. He has a wife and a step kid, and does well for himself. It's easy to point fingers, but the fact is.....none of his haters were ever on TV, creaming their homemade Trek uniform from being an extra on their favorite TV show. He lived it, so maybe it's jealousy? Maybe it's just a reason to be angsty. He wasn't exactly the Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek. He offered a lot more to the story lines than Jar Jar ever did.

ernestsewell said:

I don't hate him personally, I think he's a horrible actor.

And (through no fault of his own) his storylines bring out the most annoying aspect of TNG--their attempt to teach the dorky young men watching the show by teaching Wesley a lesson or showing his "limitless possibilities."

Dave1992 said:

dude do you know they have blue prints for all the mechanics and technolgy that they use how it works etc?

some deep shit

NDRU said:

Well if you think about it, Star Trek taught that to everyone. The very idea that our society finally got their shit together and eliminated homelessness, poverty, and most diseases is a phenomenal thought. Their goal wasn't money or possessions anymore, rather it was knowledge, exploration, science, literature, music. Yes, it's all very Utopian, but they still had their share of problems. But they were striven to overcome that the best they could. Wesley was just part of that. However, I also see the point of him being a golden child, a boy genius, a prodigy of sorts.

In reality, we are limitless in our possibilities. The storyline of Q showed that. Q constantly pushed the humans to think outside the box and expand their mind, at least for a brief moment. That's what I loved about ST. Wesley was just the materialization of that at times. But for whatever reason, the character end up being hated, instead of admired.

Dave1992 said:

Yes I hated his character. They should just have made him a normal kid, show the relationship of a single mother raising her kid on a starship in the future. They did it right on Deep Seep 9 with Captain Sisko and his son Jake. Jake was just a normal kid, he wasn't trying to sneak away on the away missions or trying to save the day like Wesly Crusher. TV Guide listed the Sisko's as one of the best Father/Sons relationship on TV ever.

kpowers said:

I'm not a big fan of the kid-based stories anyway, but he just wasn't a good actor--even for a kid. They tried to capitalize on his popularity from Stand By Me, but it was painful to watch his doe-eyed expression & slow, awkward delivery.

Dave1992 said:

I caught on to the show late but I loved it too and Deep Space Nine was my show too.

NDRU said:

Yes agree. I would not put "any" kids on the Enterprise, but if they have to like I said just make him a normal kid. If you make him a normal kid that means they don't have to show him in every episode (like Jake Sisko). Now Wesly is on the bridge, going on away missions....lame. I don't know why people think kids want to see kids in adult roles. As a kid I hated seeing kids in adult roles and all my friends hated it too. Thats why most people hated the Wesly Crusher role (they even "boo" him at conventions)

It was funny, just last night the episode was about Data & Lor, Data's inability to use contractions, it was an early episode and hadn't yet settled into the groove, the outfits were worse, and Wesley was featured prominently. It's as if someone at the TV station had read this thread!

kpowers said:

That may be a bit harsh!

NDRU said:

Yeah I feel sorry for Wil Wheaton. He knew that most people didn't like his character and thats why he quit Star Trek. He avoided going to convetions for a long time. He goes now but tells the Audience "yes I too didn't like the character of Wesly Crusher but please don't boo me... Wil Wheaton", and now he does not get much hassel as before.

kpowers said:

Well when you are the mozart of your generation its hard to be normal,though I agree. I always wanted to see the Picard is the father storyline that the writers always hinted at but never delivered.

kpowers said:

This goes for more than just acting. I have never had any interest in seeing kids make music either.

I don't know what people think we want to see kids do anything that actually takes skill! I don't want to see youth, I want to se the best!

NDRU said:

Cuddles said:

That's what I love is how detailed they get in to the back story. Why that shit "could" work even if it is on the very fringe of our imaginations.

I love all the technical manuals...

ernestsewell said:

What he said.

Trek is, in many ways, a utopian pipe dream. I, for one, don't have a lot of faith that that sort of a future is possible for us, given our track record so far.

BUT

The idealism and hope behind it really is beautiful and quite moving in it's own way. That anyone could really and truly have that much faith in human beings as a species -even if that faith is channeled through sometimes-cheesy sci fi -is really humbling. It's easy to be cynical. I know I am, most of the time. It's much harder to believe in the best of what we can be.

RenHoek said:

Trek writers often dig up actual science journals and researchers to consult before writing anything to do with physics or technology. They still bugger it up sometimes, but it's pretty cool how so much of what appears in this franchise is at least theoretically possible.

meow85 said:

It is a bit too clean & perfect in many ways, but then, I remember what we are looking at is basically a military/diplomatic organization. It is not a portrait of the average citizen.

Still, even if it is not as believable as, say, Battlestar Gallactica, its strength has always been that it is visionary, spelling out possibilities, along with the occasional reality-via-analogy.

NDRU said:

It definitely can be. That's why I always appreciated Bones' being extra cantankerous around a certain Half-Vulcan, or Kirk essentially being a space racist when it came to Klingons. It adds a touch of realistic human behaviour that mars the glossiness a bit. Just because we've somehow managed to sort out our issues with each other, doesn't mean we won't go looking for excuses to look down on other humanoids. THAT I'm certain we'll do if the time ever comes.

I love the old re-runs too. But it comes on 2:00 in the morning so I miss a couple of episodes.

Picard is and will always be my niqqa!!

In order of likeability: Picard, Sisko, Kirk, Janeway, Enterprise dude (look, Scott Bakula is Quantam Leap to me)
Best sidekicks: Spock, Uhura, Seven Of Nine (would kill for that bod!), Data, Scotty, Guinan

TNG is the best series IMO, then the original, and Voyager and DS9 I could only really tolerate the first seasons, and I never did watch Enterprise.

BklynBabe said:

+1 on that shit... Piccard is the MAN!!!

RenHoek said:

Indeed. I would never be even slightly as interested in Star Trek if everything that happened there was not as realistic/possible as it is. What makes it much easier, though, is simply that it all happens in space, far, far away from Earth. Things that may occur there do not have to occur in our proximity, but biologically/chemically/physically speaking, there os nothing unrealistic about the Next Generation series!

RenHoek said:

Patrick Stewart is probably one of my all-time favourite actors. I even mentioned him on that thread about favourite actors we had a couple of weeks ago. Brilliant, brilliant man playing a brilliant, brilliant character.

I was watching Q last night and remembering how much I still hate him after all these years !


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Dayclear said:

I love him

Dave1992 said:

I love Patrick Stewart. The only bald white old dude I would let hit!

I also love him as Professor X too