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Reply #30 posted 11/30/09 12:32pm

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ernestsewell said:

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I think there is a reason cause Lore can use contractions, but I can't remember why Data was made differently.

Wasn't Data the protype for Lore? Lore got more advanced circuitry because Data was the example. Data did have an emotion chip later on of course. I could be wrong about the order in which they were made.

The contraction thing seems simple to us, but to his programming, it's impossible.


actually Lore was the prototype, which explains the limitations (in theory, at least). They were put there on purpose because Lore was flawed.

I still don't understand specifically why no contractions, but whatever!
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Reply #31 posted 11/30/09 12:38pm

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http://en.allexperts.com/...ctions.htm



Initially Data's creator, Dr. Noonien Soong, intentionally set out to make Data seem less human. Part of Data's lack of ability to use contractions was done on purpose by Soong so that Data would be differentiated from his brother Lore, an android their "father" created first, who could use contractions.

The colonists on the world where Lore and Data were built were uncomfortable around Lore because Dr. Soong had made him "too human." So, with Data he purposely made him unable to use the contractions humans use as part of everyday speech.

Now, for sure Data could create some type of program to 'fix' this problem, but he would consider doing that akin to unnecessary brain surgery to correct an accent that a humanoid had.

Data would prefer to learn things and gain those experiences, rather than just 'reprogram' his brain.

We know he can taste things so, why not just program in the taste of everything in the replicator database and save himself the time of having to taste different foods? The reason is because he wants to have those experiences of different tastes the way humans do, and use those experiences to fuel his own growth as a sentient being.
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Reply #32 posted 11/30/09 12:47pm

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I like ALL the Star Treks
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Reply #33 posted 11/30/09 12:52pm

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lazycrockett said:

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Star-Trek-Next-1184/2008/12/Data-contractions.htm



Initially Data's creator, Dr. Noonien Soong, intentionally set out to make Data seem less human. Part of Data's lack of ability to use contractions was done on purpose by Soong so that Data would be differentiated from his brother Lore, an android their "father" created first, who could use contractions.

The colonists on the world where Lore and Data were built were uncomfortable around Lore because Dr. Soong had made him "too human." So, with Data he purposely made him unable to use the contractions humans use as part of everyday speech.

Now, for sure Data could create some type of program to 'fix' this problem, but he would consider doing that akin to unnecessary brain surgery to correct an accent that a humanoid had.

Data would prefer to learn things and gain those experiences, rather than just 'reprogram' his brain.

We know he can taste things so, why not just program in the taste of everything in the replicator database and save himself the time of having to taste different foods? The reason is because he wants to have those experiences of different tastes the way humans do, and use those experiences to fuel his own growth as a sentient being.


Sounds logical nod
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Reply #34 posted 11/30/09 1:13pm

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lazycrockett said:

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Star-Trek-Next-1184/2008/12/Data-contractions.htm



Initially Data's creator, Dr. Noonien Soong, intentionally set out to make Data seem less human. Part of Data's lack of ability to use contractions was done on purpose by Soong so that Data would be differentiated from his brother Lore, an android their "father" created first, who could use contractions.

The colonists on the world where Lore and Data were built were uncomfortable around Lore because Dr. Soong had made him "too human." So, with Data he purposely made him unable to use the contractions humans use as part of everyday speech.

Now, for sure Data could create some type of program to 'fix' this problem, but he would consider doing that akin to unnecessary brain surgery to correct an accent that a humanoid had.

Data would prefer to learn things and gain those experiences, rather than just 'reprogram' his brain.

We know he can taste things so, why not just program in the taste of everything in the replicator database and save himself the time of having to taste different foods? The reason is because he wants to have those experiences of different tastes the way humans do, and use those experiences to fuel his own growth as a sentient being.

Works for me.
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Reply #35 posted 11/30/09 1:35pm

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Dave1992 said:

Data is just wonderful. I love all the actors, the characters and the plots. I used to hate it for its image and what I thought it was about, but once a friend convinced me to watch it I immediately fell in love.


Who else loves Star Trek?


Am I weird for watching it regularly? eek


No, I watched it years ago when it first came on and liked it then. It has been playing in re-runs recently on a local TV channel and I started watching it again. Not only is it just as good the second time round, but it shows how new shows on TV are really lacking in characters, atmosphere, and storylines these days! confused
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Reply #36 posted 11/30/09 1:46pm

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riker is so charming....
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Reply #37 posted 11/30/09 2:08pm

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riker is so charming....


Riker is a dirty, wanna-be cowboy from Alaska. He's the "cleaner" version of Captain Kirk of the old Enterprise.


I used to hate him, but the episode "Frame Of Mind" made me appreciate his acting. The scene from another episode in which he gives advice about women to Data made me appreciate his character as well. He's a cowboy.
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Reply #38 posted 11/30/09 2:54pm

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mcmeekle said:

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Spock pulls the Picard Maneuver at least once in the new movie. Evidence that ill-fitting uniforms are just how Starfleet rolls no matter what stardate or reality this is.

Was it TOS or TNG that had an episode where they were complaining their lockers were getting shabby?

hmmm

I'm 90% sure that was TNG. I'm not sure TOS ever had that level of self-awareness.
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Reply #39 posted 11/30/09 2:56pm

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NDRU said:

meow85 said:


Spock pulls the Picard Maneuver at least once in the new movie. Evidence that ill-fitting uniforms are just how Starfleet rolls no matter what stardate or reality this is.


Pointy sideburns, bad fitting outfits...the future is going to be amazing!

I can't wait! woot!


dusting off my polyester onesie suit in anticipation
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Reply #40 posted 11/30/09 2:57pm

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Yes you are, and so is everyone else on this thread biggrin
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Reply #41 posted 11/30/09 3:04pm

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ernestsewell said:

NDRU said:



Pointy sideburns, bad fitting outfits...the future is going to be amazing!

I always found the Vulcan's haircuts and sideburns to be very indicative of their character. They're very black and white about things, very left-brained, very cut and dry. Their haircuts reflected that. Simple, harsh, drastic - emotionless, showing no character or personality at all, yet it showed exactly that in every Vulcan. They were low on personality, yet high on simplicity, harshness, low on emotions, and drastic in their straight forward approach to life. If anything, it teaches us to be ourselves. As logical as the Vulcans were, the simple idea of being an individual was somehow lost in their quest for personal perfection as a race.

What about the sometimes elaborate hair of Vulcan women, like T'Pring or Saavik?





Also, why does Saavik have a man's name? confuse
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Reply #42 posted 11/30/09 3:05pm

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ZombieKitten said:

Yes you are, and so is everyone else on this thread biggrin

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Reply #43 posted 11/30/09 3:06pm

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meow85 said:

ZombieKitten said:

Yes you are, and so is everyone else on this thread biggrin

talk to the hand


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Reply #44 posted 11/30/09 3:17pm

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meow85 said:

ernestsewell said:


I always found the Vulcan's haircuts and sideburns to be very indicative of their character. They're very black and white about things, very left-brained, very cut and dry. Their haircuts reflected that. Simple, harsh, drastic - emotionless, showing no character or personality at all, yet it showed exactly that in every Vulcan. They were low on personality, yet high on simplicity, harshness, low on emotions, and drastic in their straight forward approach to life. If anything, it teaches us to be ourselves. As logical as the Vulcans were, the simple idea of being an individual was somehow lost in their quest for personal perfection as a race.

What about the sometimes elaborate hair of Vulcan women, like T'Pring or Saavik?





Also, why does Saavik have a man's name? confuse


and actually the Vulcan haircut is pretty fashionable, it points towards The Beatles, Ross from friends, E.R. era Clooney, George Michael, Moe...
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Reply #45 posted 11/30/09 3:27pm

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NDRU said:



and actually the Vulcan haircut is pretty fashionable, it points towards The Beatles, Ross from friends, E.R. era Clooney, George Michael, Moe...

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Doesn't explain the illogically fancy Vulcan lady hair though.


And because this is how my brain works, I wonder: Are there Vulcans who are trans like there are people who are? What if Spock secretly longed for a kicky updo and silk gown?
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Reply #46 posted 11/30/09 3:52pm

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meow85 said:

NDRU said:



and actually the Vulcan haircut is pretty fashionable, it points towards The Beatles, Ross from friends, E.R. era Clooney, George Michael, Moe...

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Doesn't explain the illogically fancy Vulcan lady hair though.


And because this is how my brain works, I wonder: Are there Vulcans who are trans like there are people who are? What if Spock secretly longed for a kicky updo and silk gown?


It's logical to want your woman to be a hottie!

You raise a good question though. Spock was always pretty liberal with the eye shadow...



And T'Pal went for the boy cut

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Reply #47 posted 11/30/09 8:48pm

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That just raises further questions!


If that quasi-bowl/Caesar cut was the most logical haircut for male Vulcans -and there is a certain practicality to it -then wouldn't the fancy, elaborate hair of the female Vulcan's hair be, well, illogical? After all, hair like that takes some serious maintenance. And why would T'Pol or Valeris choose more masculine hair when Vulcans seem so attached to their own cultural norms? Out of a recognition of the impracticality of fancy hair in a military setting?


Of course, none of this addresses why Saavik has a man's name or why Spock addresses her as Mr. Saavik in Wrath of Khan....
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Reply #48 posted 11/30/09 8:55pm

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The ONLY reason I watched Star Trek TNG:

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Reply #49 posted 11/30/09 9:34pm

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Dave1992 said:

peacenlovealways said:

riker is so charming....


Riker is a dirty, wanna-be cowboy from Alaska. He's the "cleaner" version of Captain Kirk of the old Enterprise.


I used to hate him, but the episode "Frame Of Mind" made me appreciate his acting. The scene from another episode in which he gives advice about women to Data made me appreciate his character as well. He's a cowboy.


I never could stand Riker.

Except for TOS every other Star Trek had a characher I hated.

Riker from TNG

Odo from DS9

Janeway from Voyager

And the whole Enterprise series sucked. lol

How on earth can y'all talk about TNG and not mention Q? I loved Q. cool
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Reply #50 posted 11/30/09 9:36pm

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Dave1992 said:

Data is just wonderful. I love all the actors, the characters and the plots. I used to hate it for its image and what I thought it was about, but once a friend convinced me to watch it I immediately fell in love.


Who else loves Star Trek?


Am I weird for watching it regularly? eek


Not weird at all...welcome to the Star Trek universe! cool
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Reply #51 posted 11/30/09 10:10pm

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ScarletScandal said:

The ONLY reason I watched Star Trek TNG:

[img]tp://www.selfpublishingreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/wesleycrusher2366.jpg[/img]



That kid got way too much hate. confused
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Reply #52 posted 11/30/09 10:11pm

Dave1992

babynoz said:

Dave1992 said:



Riker is a dirty, wanna-be cowboy from Alaska. He's the "cleaner" version of Captain Kirk of the old Enterprise.


I used to hate him, but the episode "Frame Of Mind" made me appreciate his acting. The scene from another episode in which he gives advice about women to Data made me appreciate his character as well. He's a cowboy.


I never could stand Riker.

Except for TOS every other Star Trek had a characher I hated.

Riker from TNG

Odo from DS9

Janeway from Voyager

And the whole Enterprise series sucked. lol

How on earth can y'all talk about TNG and not mention Q? I loved Q. cool


It was fun and at that time a very revolutionary idea, but the plots, the acting and the special effects were just not good enough to be interesting for me. I do not watch it.
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Reply #53 posted 11/30/09 10:14pm

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lazycrockett said:

ScarletScandal said:

The ONLY reason I watched Star Trek TNG:

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That kid got way too much hate. confused


He's another character I used to dislike for quite a while. He just seemed to pseudo-arrogant and his way of expression and his moves were a bit too "I'm a teen-aged pilot, bitch!"-like, but I love how he chooses to live with a savage indian tribe. lol
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Reply #54 posted 12/01/09 7:53am

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I enjoy Star Trek too....Picard is my favorite cpt. Over the years, would say I enjoy most Data, Seven and Wharf. Most irritating? Ferengie....WTF were they thinking introducing that irritating big headed thing.
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Reply #55 posted 12/01/09 7:57am

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I enjoy Star Trek too....Picard is my favorite cpt. Over the years, would say I enjoy most Data, Seven and Wharf. Most irritating? Ferengie....WTF were they thinking introducing that irritating big headed thing.


Ferengi serve rather as a comic relief than a seriously dangerous race. They are underhanded and not very intelligent and, above all that, amazingly ugly. lol
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Reply #56 posted 12/01/09 8:49am

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I'm a HUGE fan of the original series! With the exception of Patrick Stewart and the actor who played Data(can't remember his name), "Next generation" was a waste. I really disliked #1(they should have called him #2) and Counselor Troy. She was beyond useless and just a tad too zaftic for those corny one piece outfits she was sporting. lol





.... although I did like this movie
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Reply #57 posted 12/01/09 9:28am

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joseph8 said:

I'm a HUGE fan of the original series! With the exception of Patrick Stewart and the actor who played Data(can't remember his name), "Next generation" was a waste. I really disliked #1(they should have called him #2) and Counselor Troy. She was beyond useless and just a tad too zaftic for those corny one piece outfits she was sporting. lol





.... although I did like this movie

I LOVED Counselor Troy! I thought she was FIERCE!
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Reply #58 posted 12/01/09 10:00am

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Dave1992 said:

lazycrockett said:




That kid got way too much hate. confused


He's another character I used to dislike for quite a while. He just seemed to pseudo-arrogant and his way of expression and his moves were a bit too "I'm a teen-aged pilot, bitch!"-like, but I love how he chooses to live with a savage indian tribe. lol

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Reply #59 posted 12/01/09 10:06am

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i love it!

Troi and Q are my favorites than Captin Picard
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