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PrintableKoolEaze said: I don´t think that the author is really having a problem with what you call African American names, he is merely pointing out that your name does indeed play a huge role in your career.Now whether this is fair or not is a whole different topic but unfortunately, it is a reality, and not just in the African-American communities.
Here in Germany, kids get discriminated against and ridiculed (and get stigmatized when looking for a job) if their name is Justin, Kevin, Jessica, Mandy etc. because these names have some sort of "ghettoish" connotation. Most of the names mentioned in the article with the link that I posted are not even remotely African to begin with...they´re just made up names who bear absolutely no resemblance to real African names, and why give your kids a pseudo East African or Central African sounding name when in fact the majority of African-Americans have Yoruba or Ibo or Haussa or Evi ancestry? If I were African-American and trying to give my kid an African sounding name,I´d much rather chose a name from those tribes I mentioned than some made up , pseudo African name which was inspired by some Ksuaehli name in East or Central Africa. African-Americans don´t stem from Tansania or Zimbabwe or Malawi, you can still tell by the way they look that most of them stem from places like Senegal,Ghana, Nigeria, Kameroon etc., hence the tribes I mentioned above. And don´t even get me started with all those ghettoish car brand names like Porsche or Ferrari or Mercedes, or those pseudo brand names, like some perfume or liqour names....sure, you can name your kids however you want but they have to live with those names for the rest of their lives and you know there are still a lot of prejudiced, racist people out there, why make it even more difficult for the kids? Besides, a lot of those names sound really ridiculous. In a nutshell, the article is trying to show that, on some deep,subconscious or psychological level, a name does indeed have a huge impact on our live and our choices ( partners ) . I look at it as an article about the effect of names. There are even studies that show how a name can shape the look of a kid...don´t know whether to take that one with a grain of salt though...some scientists think that a soft sounding name will have an effect on the facial features of a kid. [Edited 11/18/09 7:24am] I have to agree with KoolEaze on this one  | |
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Isabell said: StillGotIt said: I am sooooo sick of this nonsense. I have to admit, I never had more fun making a teacher sweat. I spoke nice as pie and hammered some hard ass questions as if he was being deposed.
I didn't have time to tell you guys earlier that I had already filed a complaint with the principal of the school (I had at the same time requested this conference.) The school supposedly didn't identify the person complaining but it's obvious...she is the only African American in that class and she offered up some respectful protest the moment this racist article was distributed. The principal didn't get back to me fast enough so now its with the school board. Since filing that complaint with the principal, this asshole has been retaliating against my 12 year old--even lowering her grade an entire letter for not writing her name on a single art project (mind you...this project only required one piece...she did 4). I smiled all nicey nice and let him talk, and he clearly thought my calm demeanor meant that I was stupid. Then I made sure he over clarified shit that he had said and before you know it, with my pleasant smile I had him backed into a corner based on his own statements. He was stuttering. That azz even made reference to me "punching in" at work. He kept changing his story as to why he messed with her grade. Now I'm gonna straight up sue that prick for discrimination against my minor child. See if he likes our ethnic names after he is done writing out a nice fat check for punitive damanges. Poor stupid bastard. I'm gonna rip him a new one. He has nooooo idea what I do for a living.....or how much I dislike people who mess with children Is this what it all comes down to? Lesson number 1, when a racist gets hit in the pocket with a lawsuit for promoting or taking part in a racist act, that is done verbally or physically, causing physical or psychological harm to another because of that act, then he/she will think twice before doing it again. An apology is too easy, because what lesson is learned by that? She may not be able to change the way he thinks about specific groups, but it will certainly make this teacher think twice about promoting his stereotypical, racist nonsense towards students again. It may cost him "twice" the harm he caused the first time, if he tries it with another student. I like people who take action against educators who try to promote their offensive, racist stereotypical nonsense to young people, then think they can get away with it. [Edited 11/23/09 19:23pm] | |
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Isabell said:[quote] StillGotIt said: paintedlady said: Wow, so if your child was bit by a dog and you sued the owner of that dog for $$$, is it all about the financial compensation for you? People who do wrong all the time are made to pay for their mistakes. This teacher can't go to jail, so what other recourse does she have? Oh no, wait....
Oh, I see.... you're saying it's Ok to teach discriminatory practices to children in a classroom setting. Got it! I'm very sorry you ladies should feel distressed by the statement I posted. I believe that we are very different eventhough all three of us bear the same citizenship (U.S.A.) if I am mistaken then please correct me. You see, I was born and raised in Africa and just moved out 3 months ago. In the counrty where I was raised you don't go in front of a judge to settle these matters nor demand monetary compensation. You sit down with the party at fault in the presence of a neutral third party and try to work out the situation in a rational manner which will suit the offended party. In this particular case, it would be interesting to address this teacher's offensive behaviour and understand why he has a racist inclination. This situation, which is in truth unfair to your child, could be turned into an educational challenge. You could, for instance demand from the headmaster that a gathering be organized at the school in order to talk about racism in the United States, its consequences and its implications. I'm sure scholars would agree to attend, and even some older folks could come talk about how they lived in an openly racist society back in the 50s and 60s etc. An exhibition could be set up by the children dealing on the subject of the struggle for Civil Rights. Is that struggle still current and does it still apply today, is it still specific to Black people in the USA? You could turn a wrong into a right without doing it with a vengeance, because in the end, what do you think your daughter will remember from all this mess if you really decide to take this person to court? Maybe you could ask that this person present an official appology to your daughter, believe me if you do this, I'm pretty much sure your daughter's teacher will never again do to someone else what he did to her. It's so much easier to fuel the fire of hatred than to stop it, and I believe that going to court would do just that: fuel it some more. If you don't agree with me that's fine, I won't call you names nor will I give you the finger for that. Peace! I am not at all distressed. Your statements, although well intended, are made from your ignorance to the actual life here in America, and the real struggle, outside of textbooks for African Americans. Your idealist view is exactly why many people from the African continent and African Americans do not get along. There is no understanding to why somebody is a racist. Those "scholars" you refer to are actually my family. This is not something far removed that I must research. Racism is nothing but blind, foolish hatred--and its a decision to hate. I need not lend an ear to NAZI rhetoric. I have one relative who swung from a tree for having dark skin (and miraculously survived only because they thought he was dead). Before you judge why we do things the way we do here in America, you should stop and consider that there are things you will not understand--that you will never understand because you lack our heritage and experience. Outsiders always think they know the answers. My daughter will take from this many things. That she knew to stand up for herself (and was the only one that did) should tell you something about her character. I have no issue with the person she is becoming, and you can rest assured that her morals and motivation are in tact. She will know what she needs in order to continue the work of her enslaved and freed ancenstors. These laws are important to enforce---I should know, my father helped to put them in place. Without them, you would not have even been allowed to come into this country and roam freely. (Actually, there are still many places where you will be lynched if you were to go there). When you do not use laws as they are intended, the law loses its power and can be erased. It is important to file in court when warranted, or enforcement dissapears because the courts determine that there is no longer a problem. So, is it your contention that work of Dr. King, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, Emmet Till's mom were all expressions of hatred because the courts were used? (and no...I am not claiming that this injustice suffered my daughter is the same level--fighting in court is NOT hatred. It is exercising your legal rights that MY people died to put into place so that we would have a way to fight against injustice.) As you know, this is not Africa, and the cultural utopia that you describe is missing a few things when it comes to disagreements. Africans dont just sit and work things out as you say. I believe there are wars and disagreements going on within that continent right now where there is enslavement of children, destruction of resources, denial of food, killing of others or just people are having their limbs chopped off over racial disagreements. Knowing that, I'll stick with our American court system....thanks 
Nothing is worse than an insincere apology. Racist people are not sorry--they are only sorry when they get caught and have to deal with some consequence that personally affects them. No court can force an apology. That you view the exercising of my rights as pure vengence is sad. His actions are not accidental--and if you grew up here you would know that his actions are typical of the systemic stuff that was happening AFTER the civil rights movement that you no doubt read little about. You also do not know that the implimentation of talks and/or special educational are hard to enforce within the courts as well. After they give you their word and agree to special programs etc, the court case is closed. Often, they will deliberately perform with low quality programs. We have fought, and the policies and education about our people are already in the school. This man knows EXACTLY what he is doing, it is not accidental. You cannot change a person's heart or mind, each has his or her own will, but you can use the courts to control his behavior. (since you are not from here....you have a lot to learn the hard way.) I dont believe standing up for what is right is "fueling the fire" as you say, and believe me, fighting in court is not at all the easy way out. His behavior needs to be documented, that way if he dared to do it again, he will not be allowed to teach again...because the courts can enforce that. Now, it wouldn't be possible to enforce the laws if there are no formal complaints against him....right? Filing a complaint doesn't leave needed policy changes to the discretion of the school or teacher....it forces it. My child has enough educational challenges--algebra, chinese and math. I need not add any. She knows who she is and she knows the blood that runs in her veins. She knows that HER people made people like you free in America and how it was accomplished, because she has the experience of being a part legacy. Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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I am not down with the "car sounding" names but I think that many of the "made up" names sound beautiful. There are some names I just dislike....so if your name is LaQuaniquasha and your on this board...sorry...I'm not feeling that.....just like I dont particularly care for the names Brent, Maf, Thornton, Luise, or Hai. But will I make fun of or mistreat anyone differenty (or advocate that they should be treated differently) because they have a name that I would not choose? ....No. My problem as I originally posted, was this article that was given to children....you know, the mental seed that was planted as they read this nonsense. Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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Ready for the Scandls explosion 
I think the names they refer are not traditional African ones, but ones like Shaquiqui, Antwaine, Keyshawn, Valdisha, Verneisha, Bonquiqui, Lahonda, Letrice and Shaniqua. Typically people have stereotypes of the holders of these names, being from poor and uneducated backgrounds. Its deplorable as the kids don't get to choose they name, they are stuck with and have to change it by deed poll. There must be lots of 12-14 years old called Tupac and Biggie waiting for their 18th birthday. But you get fucked up names everywhere, not just one group, what about names like Britney and Jitney, Brayden, Shayleigh, Brett, Cleophus, Walmartia and Wrestlemanius (Clearly poor white names) And here in Nz we had problems with a couple who wanted to call their baby for real, names like Marley and Nesta dominate, the worst was a baby called Unemploymenta te Heka Heka. An abused baby was called Lillybing, another called Nia and a 2 year child shot by a gang member in a drive by gone wrong was called Jhia Te Tua. [Edited 11/23/09 14:37pm] [Edited 11/23/09 14:39pm] So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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It ain't no explosion just callin a spade a spade. And considering that YOU are supposedly a teacher I think it's deplorable that you spend your spare time creating "Ghetto Name" threads on the Org ridiculing your students' names.
If I had a kid you taught and found out you listed my kid's name in one of your threads, I'd sue the shit outta you. http://prince.org/msg/100/309120 Huggibear said: I love these threads, am teaching at a low income school in New Zealand that is multiethnic and some of their names are funny. We have kids with names like Aunshailena, Jamesha, Tyreece, LaQuan and Areoneesha and Star (Mostly Maori and Pacific Island, shame about their names but they are nice kids). Do you have any unfortunate named people around, the funniest I could think of would be Boomshikaneheneh. [Edited 11/23/09 15:16pm] | |
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I would like to say that it doesn't make it right debasing people for their names, but parents still have a responsibility when it comes to names, and think about what life-term effects it would have on their lives. Each culture is different, and I think that its important to adapt to it to get ahead, not hinder you. I believe that names like Peaches or Precious could be your pet names, but not primary. Hispanic women and girls can get away with being named Mercedes, though. Also to note, white America has prejudged and debased African-Americans since setting foot on her soil. I am sure you have heard of don't hate the player, hate the game. Malcolm X did mention in one of his tapes that you can beat the system and get ahead by playing their game. Therefore, I believe that collective adjustments as a group should be made on our lives. It would not stop racism altogether, but it can eliminate bias misconceptions about African-Americans. Just my thoughts. [Edited 11/23/09 15:34pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: It ain't no explosion just callin a spade a spade. And considering that YOU are supposedly a teacher I think it's deplorable that you spend your spare time creating "Ghetto Name" threads on the Org ridiculing your students' names.
If I had a kid you taught and found out you listed my kid's name in one of your threads, I'd sue the shit outta you. http://prince.org/msg/100/309120 Huggibear said: I love these threads, am teaching at a low income school in New Zealand that is multiethnic and some of their names are funny. We have kids with names like Aunshailena, Jamesha, Tyreece, LaQuan and Areoneesha and Star (Mostly Maori and Pacific Island, shame about their names but they are nice kids). Do you have any unfortunate named people around, the funniest I could think of would be Boomshikaneheneh. [Edited 11/23/09 15:16pm] I see exactly what you mean Scndls. Kind of remind me of that scene in "Roots" when that slaveowner demanded that Kunta Kinte call himself "Toby", because the racist slave owner devalued Kunte Kinte as a human being, born with his own culture. We've seen what happened when other race/ethnic groups who think their culture "is better" and try to impose theirs on others, while degrading others, can do to a group of people. I live around a lot of Russians and East Indians with extremely long names. I just accept their names as is, whether I have a hard time pronouncing it or not, it is not my place to tell them their name is "ghetto" or "ridiculous". That's the problem with so many people, they don't respect other cultures and look down on it, as though there's is the cream of the crop. | |
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2elijah said: SCNDLS said: It ain't no explosion just callin a spade a spade. And considering that YOU are supposedly a teacher I think it's deplorable that you spend your spare time creating "Ghetto Name" threads on the Org ridiculing your students' names.
If I had a kid you taught and found out you listed my kid's name in one of your threads, I'd sue the shit outta you. http://prince.org/msg/100/309120 Huggibear said: I love these threads, am teaching at a low income school in New Zealand that is multiethnic and some of their names are funny. We have kids with names like Aunshailena, Jamesha, Tyreece, LaQuan and Areoneesha and Star (Mostly Maori and Pacific Island, shame about their names but they are nice kids). Do you have any unfortunate named people around, the funniest I could think of would be Boomshikaneheneh. [Edited 11/23/09 15:16pm] I see exactly what you mean Scndls. Kind of remind me of that scene in "Roots" when that slaveowner demanded that Kunta Kinte call himself "Toby", because the racist slave owner devalued Kunte Kinte as a human being, born with his own culture. We've seen what happened when other race/ethnic groups who think their culture "is better" and try to impose theirs on others, while degrading others, can do to a group of people. I live around a lot of Russians and East Indians with extremely long names. I just accept their names as is, whether I have a hard time pronouncing it or not, it is not my place to tell them their name is "ghetto" or "ridiculous". That's the problem with so many people, they don't respect other cultures and look down on it, as though there's is the cream of the crop. | |
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Huggiebear said: Ready for the Scandls explosion
I think the names they refer are not traditional African ones, but ones like Shaquiqui, Antwaine, Keyshawn, Valdisha, Verneisha, Bonquiqui, Lahonda, Letrice and Shaniqua. Typically people have stereotypes of the holders of these names, being from poor and uneducated backgrounds. Its deplorable as the kids don't get to choose they name, they are stuck with and have to change it by deed poll. There must be lots of 12-14 years old called Tupac and Biggie waiting for their 18th birthday. But you get fucked up names everywhere, not just one group, what about names like Britney and Jitney, Brayden, Shayleigh, Brett, Cleophus, Walmartia and Wrestlemanius (Clearly poor white names) And here in Nz we had problems with a couple who wanted to call their baby for real, names like Marley and Nesta dominate, the worst was a baby called Unemploymenta te Heka Heka. An abused baby was called Lillybing, another called Nia and a 2 year child shot by a gang member in a drive by gone wrong was called Jhia Te Tua. [Edited 11/23/09 14:37pm] [Edited 11/23/09 14:39pm] Are you fucking kidding me?? | |
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I keep messing up the quotes.....grrrrr [Edited 11/23/09 21:19pm] Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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I take it Huggiebear is the troll of the org? Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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SCNDLS said: 2elijah said:  I think you missed my point SCNDLS. Never said my brother and his wife were "special". The realtors would not show him homes in specific areas he questioned the realtors about. It was excuses all the time, and they kept showing them homes in areas where it wasn't very clean. Keep in mind, those areas were integrated, but not where he wanted to buy a home.
The same areas the realtors would not take them, is where he went on his own, and purchased the house. So all is good, because he did look elsewhere and is content with his new home. [Edited 11/21/09 13:13pm] Damn, gurl, I was being facetious. A couple of times you threw people for a loop there. MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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Huggiebear said: Ready for the Scandls explosion
I think the names they refer are not traditional African ones, but ones like Shaquiqui, Antwaine, Keyshawn, Valdisha, Verneisha, Bonquiqui, Lahonda, Letrice and Shaniqua. Typically people have stereotypes of the holders of these names, being from poor and uneducated backgrounds. Its deplorable as the kids don't get to choose they name, they are stuck with and have to change it by deed poll. There must be lots of 12-14 years old called Tupac and Biggie waiting for their 18th birthday. But you get fucked up names everywhere, not just one group, what about names like Britney and Jitney, Brayden, Shayleigh, Brett, Cleophus, Walmartia and Wrestlemanius (Clearly poor white names) And here in Nz we had problems with a couple who wanted to call their baby for real, names like Marley and Nesta dominate, the worst was a baby called Unemploymenta te Heka Heka. An abused baby was called Lillybing, another called Nia and a 2 year child shot by a gang member in a drive by gone wrong was called Jhia Te Tua. [Edited 11/23/09 14:37pm] [Edited 11/23/09 14:39pm] Brett is a 'fucked up' name? Lawd! MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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Fauxie said: Huggiebear said: Ready for the Scandls explosion
I think the names they refer are not traditional African ones, but ones like Shaquiqui, Antwaine, Keyshawn, Valdisha, Verneisha, Bonquiqui, Lahonda, Letrice and Shaniqua. Typically people have stereotypes of the holders of these names, being from poor and uneducated backgrounds. Its deplorable as the kids don't get to choose they name, they are stuck with and have to change it by deed poll. There must be lots of 12-14 years old called Tupac and Biggie waiting for their 18th birthday. But you get fucked up names everywhere, not just one group, what about names like Britney and Jitney, Brayden, Shayleigh, Brett, Cleophus, Walmartia and Wrestlemanius (Clearly poor white names) And here in Nz we had problems with a couple who wanted to call their baby for real, names like Marley and Nesta dominate, the worst was a baby called Unemploymenta te Heka Heka. An abused baby was called Lillybing, another called Nia and a 2 year child shot by a gang member in a drive by gone wrong was called Jhia Te Tua. [Edited 11/23/09 14:37pm] [Edited 11/23/09 14:39pm] Brett is a 'fucked up' name? Lawd!My brother is named Brett! | |
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Fauxie said: SCNDLS said: Damn, gurl, I was being facetious. A couple of times you threw people for a loop there. I think your going to have to give up your facetious side.....it doesn't read well on threads..... Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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Cinnie said: Fauxie said: Brett is a 'fucked up' name? Lawd!My brother is named Brett! I can't wait to tell him.  | |
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StillGotIt said: Fauxie said: A couple of times you threw people for a loop there. I think your going to have to give up your facetious side.....it doesn't read well on threads..... I got it because it was like reading one of my own posts. MY COUSIN WORKS IN A PHARMACY AND SHE SAID THEY ENEMA'D PRANCE INTO OBLIVION WITH FENTONILS!! | |
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SCNDLS said: It ain't no explosion just callin a spade a spade. And considering that YOU are supposedly a teacher I think it's deplorable that you spend your spare time creating "Ghetto Name" threads on the Org ridiculing your students' names.
If I had a kid you taught and found out you listed my kid's name in one of your threads, I'd sue the shit outta you. http://prince.org/msg/100/309120 Huggibear said: I love these threads, am teaching at a low income school in New Zealand that is multiethnic and some of their names are funny. We have kids with names like Aunshailena, Jamesha, Tyreece, LaQuan and Areoneesha and Star (Mostly Maori and Pacific Island, shame about their names but they are nice kids). Do you have any unfortunate named people around, the funniest I could think of would be Boomshikaneheneh. [Edited 11/23/09 15:16pm] You can't stop muck raking can ya. Lets dig up something I said in June. Seriously what is your PROBLEM??? [Edited 11/23/09 23:22pm] So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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My name is very simple. My mother and my grandmother were absolutely in love with this guy....
Little did they know, they ended up with this guy instead.... 
Surrrrprize....surprize....surpiiiize!!!!
. . . . [Edited 11/23/09 23:34pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Huggiebear said: SCNDLS said: It ain't no explosion just callin a spade a spade. And considering that YOU are supposedly a teacher I think it's deplorable that you spend your spare time creating "Ghetto Name" threads on the Org ridiculing your students' names.
If I had a kid you taught and found out you listed my kid's name in one of your threads, I'd sue the shit outta you. http://prince.org/msg/100/309120 Huggibear said: I love these threads, am teaching at a low income school in New Zealand that is multiethnic and some of their names are funny. We have kids with names like Aunshailena, Jamesha, Tyreece, LaQuan and Areoneesha and Star (Mostly Maori and Pacific Island, shame about their names but they are nice kids). Do you have any unfortunate named people around, the funniest I could think of would be Boomshikaneheneh. [Edited 11/23/09 15:16pm] You can't stop muck raking can ya. Lets dig up something I said in June. Seriously what is your PROBLEM??? [Edited 11/23/09 23:22pm] Muck raking? sounds like its a current issue for you..... Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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StillGotIt said: Isabell said: I'm very sorry you ladies should feel distressed by the statement I posted. I believe that we are very different eventhough all three of us bear the same citizenship (U.S.A.) if I am mistaken then please correct me. You see, I was born and raised in Africa and just moved out 3 months ago. In the counrty where I was raised you don't go in front of a judge to settle these matters nor demand monetary compensation. You sit down with the party at fault in the presence of a neutral third party and try to work out the situation in a rational manner which will suit the offended party. In this particular case, it would be interesting to address this teacher's offensive behaviour and understand why he has a racist inclination. This situation, which is in truth unfair to your child, could be turned into an educational challenge. You could, for instance demand from the headmaster that a gathering be organized at the school in order to talk about racism in the United States, its consequences and its implications. I'm sure scholars would agree to attend, and even some older folks could come talk about how they lived in an openly racist society back in the 50s and 60s etc. An exhibition could be set up by the children dealing on the subject of the struggle for Civil Rights. Is that struggle still current and does it still apply today, is it still specific to Black people in the USA? You could turn a wrong into a right without doing it with a vengeance, because in the end, what do you think your daughter will remember from all this mess if you really decide to take this person to court? Maybe you could ask that this person present an official appology to your daughter, believe me if you do this, I'm pretty much sure your daughter's teacher will never again do to someone else what he did to her. It's so much easier to fuel the fire of hatred than to stop it, and I believe that going to court would do just that: fuel it some more. If you don't agree with me that's fine, I won't call you names nor will I give you the finger for that. Peace! I am not at all distressed. Your statements, although well intended, are made from your ignorance to the actual life here in America, and the real struggle, outside of textbooks for African Americans. Your idealist view is exactly why many people from the African continent and African Americans do not get along. There is no understanding to why somebody is a racist. Those "scholars" you refer to are actually my family. This is not something far removed that I must research. Racism is nothing but blind, foolish hatred--and its a decision to hate. I need not lend an ear to NAZI rhetoric. I have one relative who swung from a tree for having dark skin (and miraculously survived only because they thought he was dead). Before you judge why we do things the way we do here in America, you should stop and consider that there are things you will not understand--that you will never understand because you lack our heritage and experience. Outsiders always think they know the answers. My daughter will take from this many things. That she knew to stand up for herself (and was the only one that did) should tell you something about her character. I have no issue with the person she is becoming, and you can rest assured that her morals and motivation are in tact. She will know what she needs in order to continue the work of her enslaved and freed ancenstors. These laws are important to enforce---I should know, my father helped to put them in place. Without them, you would not have even been allowed to come into this country and roam freely. (Actually, there are still many places where you will be lynched if you were to go there). When you do not use laws as they are intended, the law loses its power and can be erased. It is important to file in court when warranted, or enforcement dissapears because the courts determine that there is no longer a problem. So, is it your contention that work of Dr. King, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, Emmet Till's mom were all expressions of hatred because the courts were used? (and no...I am not claiming that this injustice suffered my daughter is the same level--fighting in court is NOT hatred. It is exercising your legal rights that MY people died to put into place so that we would have a way to fight against injustice.) As you know, this is not Africa, and the cultural utopia that you describe is missing a few things when it comes to disagreements. Africans dont just sit and work things out as you say. I believe there are wars and disagreements going on within that continent right now where there is enslavement of children, destruction of resources, denial of food, killing of others or just people are having their limbs chopped off over racial disagreements. Knowing that, I'll stick with our American court system....thanks
Nothing is worse than an insincere apology. Racist people are not sorry--they are only sorry when they get caught and have to deal with some consequence that personally affects them. No court can force an apology. That you view the exercising of my rights as pure vengence is sad. His actions are not accidental--and if you grew up here you would know that his actions are typical of the systemic stuff that was happening AFTER the civil rights movement that you no doubt read little about. You also do not know that the implimentation of talks and/or special educational are hard to enforce within the courts as well. After they give you their word and agree to special programs etc, the court case is closed. Often, they will deliberately perform with low quality programs. We have fought, and the policies and education about our people are already in the school. This man knows EXACTLY what he is doing, it is not accidental. You cannot change a person's heart or mind, each has his or her own will, but you can use the courts to control his behavior. (since you are not from here....you have a lot to learn the hard way.) I dont believe standing up for what is right is "fueling the fire" as you say, and believe me, fighting in court is not at all the easy way out. His behavior needs to be documented, that way if he dared to do it again, he will not be allowed to teach again...because the courts can enforce that. Now, it wouldn't be possible to enforce the laws if there are no formal complaints against him....right? Filing a complaint doesn't leave needed policy changes to the discretion of the school or teacher....it forces it. My child has enough educational challenges--algebra, chinese and math. I need not add any. She knows who she is and she knows the blood that runs in her veins. She knows that HER people made people like you free in America and how it was accomplished, because she has the experience of being a part legacy. I wish you luck on your quest for reparation and hope it brings peace. | |
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StillGotIt said: Fauxie said: A couple of times you threw people for a loop there. I think your going to have to give up your facetious side.....it doesn't read well on threads..... Ya'll mofos need to stop orging while drinking wine coolers.  | |
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Huggiebear said: SCNDLS said: It ain't no explosion just callin a spade a spade. And considering that YOU are supposedly a teacher I think it's deplorable that you spend your spare time creating "Ghetto Name" threads on the Org ridiculing your students' names.
If I had a kid you taught and found out you listed my kid's name in one of your threads, I'd sue the shit outta you. http://prince.org/msg/100/309120 Huggibear said: I love these threads, am teaching at a low income school in New Zealand that is multiethnic and some of their names are funny. We have kids with names like Aunshailena, Jamesha, Tyreece, LaQuan and Areoneesha and Star (Mostly Maori and Pacific Island, shame about their names but they are nice kids). Do you have any unfortunate named people around, the funniest I could think of would be Boomshikaneheneh. [Edited 11/23/09 15:16pm] You can't stop muck raking can ya. Lets dig up something I said in June. Seriously what is your PROBLEM??? [Edited 11/23/09 23:22pm] Ummmm, YOU are the one who has started three threads in recent months specifically about "ghetto names" AND never misses an opportunity to mention ghetto names and American "ghetto" culture and lifestyle in threads constantly, which you admitted in another thread you learned about by watching hip hop videos. Anyone who watches tv and believes that's a good source to formulate opinions about a whole group of people is the one with the REAL issues. 
All I have to do is google your name and the word "ghetto" and a whole host of questionable posts comes up. Yet, you have the nerve to say it's a fleeting thing for you. I'm not making this shit up just merely calling you on your bullshit. Just lemme know if you want me to post some more threads as proof. | |
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StillGotIt said: Huggiebear said: You can't stop muck raking can ya. Lets dig up something I said in June. Seriously what is your PROBLEM??? [Edited 11/23/09 23:22pm] Muck raking? sounds like its a current issue for you..... If he's a teacher too, I guess you shouldn't be too surprised about what your daughter's teacher did.  | |
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SCNDLS said: StillGotIt said: Muck raking? sounds like its a current issue for you..... If he's a teacher too, I guess you shouldn't be too surprised about what your daughter's teacher did. What are you trying to suggest about teachers, now we are kiddy fiddlers. If that isn't the most stereotyped and generalised thing I hve heard out of anyones mouth. I can assume you are not a teacher. Practice what you preach, let thee who is without sin cast the first stone. Then again I am arguing with a person who takes offense at the fact I find ghetto names funny and are opposed to the ghetto culture. I am however not opposed to African American people and I don't like you insinuating that I am. Ghetto names are funny and fucked up, live with it!  [Edited 11/26/09 1:06am] So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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Huggiebear said: SCNDLS said: If he's a teacher too, I guess you shouldn't be too surprised about what your daughter's teacher did. What are you trying to suggest about teachers, now we are kiddy fiddlers. If that isn't the most stereotyped and generalised thing I hve heard out of anyones mouth. I can assume you are not a teacher. Practice what you preach, let thee who is without sin cast the first stone. Then again I am arguing with a person who takes offense at the fact I find ghetto names funny and are opposed to the ghetto culture. I am however not opposed to African American people and I don't like you insinuating that I am. Ghetto names are funny and fucked up, live with it!
[Edited 11/26/09 1:06am]  Kiddy fiddlers what the fuck???
I don't have to insinuate anything, your posts speak for themselves. [Edited 11/26/09 10:35am] | |
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Well what were you trying to insinuate about teachers? You should clarify for me. So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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