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Thread started 11/09/09 12:18pm

AlienX2050

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Somebody please explain this: Is this classified as abused women?

Somebody please explain this: Is this classified as abused women?

I haven't posted in a long time but I have just seen something that won't leave my mind. It was disturbing.

I was headed to my car in the Mall Parking lot and I saw this woman aggressively verbally attacking her boyfriend. This was a big man. And she was just screaming at him and pushing him. She even dared him to hit her. It probably was her husband but they were young...not sure.

And I couldn't help but to wonder if this guy had snapped on her and knocked the crap out of her. I'm not saying that's the right thing to do. But I know a few guys you just can't approach like that.

My question is...I know this wouldn't be the normal abused woman scenario. But what if she had pushed this guy too far? She even cursed the police out for trying to stop her. She was calling him a punk....and all that stuff.

How do women look at this? I was just thinking that I bet this happens a lot. And sometimes I bet the woman gets jabbed in the chest or something.

Comments please...

p.s.
This is sort of explained quickly. I just don't have the privacy to say exactly what I want to....
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Reply #1 posted 11/09/09 12:26pm

JustErin

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Oh boy....here we go.
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Reply #2 posted 11/09/09 12:38pm

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AlienX2050 said:

Somebody please explain this: Is this classified as abused women?

I haven't posted in a long time but I have just seen something that won't leave my mind. It was disturbing.

I was headed to my car in the Mall Parking lot and I saw this woman aggressively verbally attacking her boyfriend. This was a big man. And she was just screaming at him and pushing him. She even dared him to hit her. It probably was her husband but they were young...not sure.

And I couldn't help but to wonder if this guy had snapped on her and knocked the crap out of her. I'm not saying that's the right thing to do. But I know a few guys you just can't approach like that.

My question is...I know this wouldn't be the normal abused woman scenario. But what if she had pushed this guy too far? She even cursed the police out for trying to stop her. She was calling him a punk....and all that stuff.

How do women look at this? I was just thinking that I bet this happens a lot. And sometimes I bet the woman gets jabbed in the chest or something.

Comments please...

p.s.
This is sort of explained quickly. I just don't have the privacy to say exactly what I want to....
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Parents fight all the time, Alien...don't be upset. Your mom and dad will work it out.

At first glance, it sounds like an abused man. Men can be abused too you know.
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Reply #3 posted 11/09/09 12:41pm

AlienX2050

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This is another comment I was about to make.

This wasn't a regular argument. Trust me. I've had my share of arguments through my divorce. And this was nowhere near what I've had to experience. This was terrible. One woman even said that she slapped him really hard in Macy's.
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Reply #4 posted 11/09/09 1:07pm

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JustErin said:

Oh boy....here we go.


Why do you say that? confuse

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Reply #5 posted 11/09/09 1:22pm

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chocolate1 said:

JustErin said:

Oh boy....here we go.


Why do you say that? confuse


Because of how threads like this have gone in the past.
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Reply #6 posted 11/09/09 1:31pm

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JustErin said:

chocolate1 said:



Why do you say that? confuse


Because of how threads like this have gone in the past.



Oh, okay. Yeah.

But honestly- in a case like that, if she's "man enough" to keep goading him, then it sounds like she deserved to get knocked back a peg. Verbal abuse, hitting him, AND public humiliation... she went for the Triple Crown!
If he had put the Holy Smackdown on her, then everyone would be all over him... confused

But I wasn't there, so....

"Love Hurts.
Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."

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Reply #7 posted 11/09/09 2:06pm

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chocolate1 said:

JustErin said:



Because of how threads like this have gone in the past.



Oh, okay. Yeah.

But honestly- in a case like that, if she's "man enough" to keep goading him, then it sounds like she deserved to get knocked back a peg. Verbal abuse, hitting him, AND public humiliation... she went for the Triple Crown!
If he had put the Holy Smackdown on her, then everyone would be all over him... confused

But I wasn't there, so....


I Know. To think about this is disturbing, because it seems like a lot of women are killed like this. Everyone that tried to stop her she just flat out cussed them out. And when the police came, it got worse. She took the car keys and threw them straight into a wooded area. The guy was like telling her to chill. He was sort of nervous too. I just was thinking to myself that she was crazy as hell to go after a man like that.

And if he had just popped her, the cops would have been all over his ass.
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Reply #8 posted 11/09/09 2:24pm

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A man that can't handle himself without beating on a woman isn't a man.

If you got stuck with a crazy bitch, be smart enough to go get another one.
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Reply #9 posted 11/09/09 2:32pm

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Mars23 said:

A man that can't handle himself without beating on a woman isn't a man.

If you got stuck with a crazy bitch, be smart enough to go get another one.



So it's okay for her to just beat on him?
I'm not saying he should beat her, but she had no right to hit him either. That's a double standard.
A man who hits a woman for no reason is not a man. A man who hits a "crazy bitch"- as you put it- is defending himself, IMO.


If I get mad enough to raise my hand to ANYbody- male or female- I need to remember if I swing, there is the real possibility I will get hit back.

"Love Hurts.
Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."

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Reply #10 posted 11/09/09 2:38pm

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chocolate1 said:

Mars23 said:

A man that can't handle himself without beating on a woman isn't a man.

If you got stuck with a crazy bitch, be smart enough to go get another one.



So it's okay for her to just beat on him?
I'm not saying he should beat her, but she had no right to hit him either. That's a double standard.
A man who hits a woman for no reason is not a man. A man who hits a "crazy bitch"- as you put it- is defending himself, IMO.


If I get mad enough to raise my hand to ANYbody- male or female- I need to remember if I swing, there is the real possibility I will get hit back.

That all depends on how much hitting is going on. If she slaps him a couple times and he beats the shit out of her, giving her bruises and such, that's not self defense. There's a difference between defending yourself from physical harm and defending your ego and severly injuring someone because you're mad they hit you.

But I do agree that anyone who raises their hand to someone should be expecting to be hit back. That doesn't mean it's ok and it's usually the one who sustained the most injuries that gets in the least trouble. Gotta remember THAT shit too.

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Reply #11 posted 11/09/09 2:43pm

chocolate1

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PurpleRighteous1 said:

chocolate1 said:




So it's okay for her to just beat on him?
I'm not saying he should beat her, but she had no right to hit him either. That's a double standard.
A man who hits a woman for no reason is not a man. A man who hits a "crazy bitch"- as you put it- is defending himself, IMO.


If I get mad enough to raise my hand to ANYbody- male or female- I need to remember if I swing, there is the real possibility I will get hit back.

That all depends on how much hitting is going on. [b]If she slaps him a couple times and he beats the shit out of her, giving her bruises and such, that's not self defense. There's a difference between defending yourself from physical harm and defending your ego and severly injuring someone because you're mad they hit you.

But I do agree that anyone who raises their hand to someone should be expecting to be hit back.[/b]
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Oh no, I totally agree with that. nod
But there are just some women who don't think twice about swinging on a man and look stunned if they get hit back.

If everyone kept their hands to themselves, things would be much better.

"Love Hurts.
Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."

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Reply #12 posted 11/09/09 2:44pm

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She is abusing him. If he hit her in return, he's abusing her.
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Reply #13 posted 11/09/09 2:45pm

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Women who use the position of womanhood to abuse a man (men don't hit women so it's OK for me to hit a man) are abusers plain and simple.
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Reply #14 posted 11/09/09 2:47pm

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chocolate1 said:

Mars23 said:

A man that can't handle himself without beating on a woman isn't a man.

If you got stuck with a crazy bitch, be smart enough to go get another one.



So it's okay for her to just beat on him?
I'm not saying he should beat her, but she had no right to hit him either. That's a double standard.
A man who hits a woman for no reason is not a man. A man who hits a "crazy bitch"- as you put it- is defending himself, IMO.


If I get mad enough to raise my hand to ANYbody- male or female- I need to remember if I swing, there is the real possibility I will get hit back.


Why put words in my mouth?

Read what I said, then tell me where it reads that it is OK for a woman to beat on a man. To the contrary, I recommended getting a different woman. Perhaps you took that to mean it was OK for a woman to beat on a man.
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Reply #15 posted 11/09/09 2:49pm

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I'm not saying at all he should hit her but she was going the hell off. Now, I was wondering what if this dude was drunk as hell and just lost it.
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Reply #16 posted 11/09/09 2:50pm

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Mars23 said:

chocolate1 said:




So it's okay for her to just beat on him?
I'm not saying he should beat her, but she had no right to hit him either. That's a double standard.
A man who hits a woman for no reason is not a man. A man who hits a "crazy bitch"- as you put it- is defending himself, IMO.


If I get mad enough to raise my hand to ANYbody- male or female- I need to remember if I swing, there is the real possibility I will get hit back.


Why put words in my mouth?

Read what I said, then tell me where it reads that it is OK for a woman to beat on a man. To the contrary, I recommended getting a different woman. Perhaps you took that to mean it was OK for a woman to beat on a man.



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I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I hate when people jump to that.
I was just saying that it's not good either. It was a rhetorical remark.

"Love Hurts.
Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."

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Reply #17 posted 11/09/09 2:50pm

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BlackAdder7 said:



At first glance, it sounds like an abused man. Men can be abused too you know.


that's what I'm thinking. Where is the abused woman in this story?
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Reply #18 posted 11/09/09 2:51pm

Cinnie

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she deserved to get knocked back a peg


the thing is no one "deserves it" and there is always the alternative:

how about leaving her at the grocery store, and packing up her stuff at home? smile



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Reply #19 posted 11/09/09 2:53pm

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I don't advocate violence, ever, but some people do seem to provoke it. Sounds like a woman that WILL get hit, even if hitting her is the wrong thing to do.
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Reply #20 posted 11/09/09 2:53pm

Cinnie

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I don't advocate violence, ever, but some people do seem to provoke it. Sounds like a woman that WILL get hit, even if hitting her is the wrong thing to do.


I like how this is worded.



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Reply #21 posted 11/09/09 2:55pm

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chocolate1 said:

Mars23 said:

A man that can't handle himself without beating on a woman isn't a man.

If you got stuck with a crazy bitch, be smart enough to go get another one.



So it's okay for her to just beat on him?
I'm not saying he should beat her, but she had no right to hit him either. That's a double standard.
A man who hits a woman for no reason is not a man. A man who hits a "crazy bitch"- as you put it- is defending himself, IMO.


If I get mad enough to raise my hand to ANYbody- male or female- I need to remember if I swing, there is the real possibility I will get hit back.


I know it would be unmanly of him to have her charged with assault, but it might teach her a lesson
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Reply #22 posted 11/09/09 2:58pm

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I think what you were trying to say is... no one at the store said anything when she was yelling, but if he had been verbally abusive, someone would have stepped in.

I think people step in when they suspect an argument will escalate to a physical altercation, and strangers still have the general expectation that verbal abuse won't escalate to injury when it is a smaller woman vs a larger man, so no one steps in. No one expects it to get "worse".
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Reply #23 posted 11/09/09 2:58pm

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Oh boy....here we go.

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Reply #24 posted 11/09/09 2:58pm

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AlienX2050 said:

I'm not saying at all he should hit her but she was going the hell off. Now, I was wondering what if this dude was drunk as hell and just lost it.

if he was not very smart, he probably would do that, and he'd go to jail for it, which would be justified. I see guys hauled to the nick for drunken fights outside nightclubs, no difference. I don't know the fighting etiquette between guys, but usually does a really big one pick a fight with a smaller weaker guy or would that be unsportsmanlike?
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Reply #25 posted 11/09/09 3:01pm

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Cinnie said:

I think what you were trying to say is... no one at the store said anything when she was yelling, but if he had been verbally abusive, someone would have stepped in.

I think people step in when they suspect an argument will escalate to a physical altercation, and strangers still have the general expectation that verbal abuse won't escalate to injury when it is a smaller woman vs a larger man, so no one steps in. No one expects it to get "worse".



Yup, that's what I was saying. She was very small too. I was just amazed at her attitude. Now, I do have a friend who takes verbal abuse from his wife to a high extent. But I bet it's nowhere near this.
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Reply #26 posted 11/09/09 3:04pm

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AlienX2050 said:

Cinnie said:

I think what you were trying to say is... no one at the store said anything when she was yelling, but if he had been verbally abusive, someone would have stepped in.

I think people step in when they suspect an argument will escalate to a physical altercation, and strangers still have the general expectation that verbal abuse won't escalate to injury when it is a smaller woman vs a larger man, so no one steps in. No one expects it to get "worse".



Yup, that's what I was saying. She was very small too. I was just amazed at her attitude. Now, I do have a friend who takes verbal abuse from his wife to a high extent. But I bet it's nowhere near this.


do you also suspect she would not have dared do this in a place that's not so public? do you think she knows she can get away with it (possible it's a regular occurrence between these two?)

she probably just found out he cheated on her.
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Reply #27 posted 11/09/09 3:06pm

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Cinnie said:

I think what you were trying to say is... no one at the store said anything when she was yelling, but if he had been verbally abusive, someone would have stepped in.

I think people step in when they suspect an argument will escalate to a physical altercation, and strangers still have the general expectation that verbal abuse won't escalate to injury when it is a smaller woman vs a larger man, so no one steps in. No one expects it to get "worse".


Right, I think if people see a crazy woman yelling at a guy & he hasn't already lost it, they assume there is no great danger. They only think "she must be really good in bed!"

But if he was yelling it would be more of a threat to someone's safety.
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Reply #28 posted 11/09/09 3:08pm

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ZombieKitten said:

AlienX2050 said:




Yup, that's what I was saying. She was very small too. I was just amazed at her attitude. Now, I do have a friend who takes verbal abuse from his wife to a high extent. But I bet it's nowhere near this.


do you also suspect she would not have dared do this in a place that's not so public? do you think she knows she can get away with it (possible it's a regular occurrence between these two?)

she probably just found out he cheated on her.


I assume when this type of thing happens in public that it must be a regular occurrence. My GF & I are way too private to argue in public, and we barely ever argue in private!
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Reply #29 posted 11/09/09 3:12pm

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ZombieKitten said:



do you also suspect she would not have dared do this in a place that's not so public? do you think she knows she can get away with it (possible it's a regular occurrence between these two?)

she probably just found out he cheated on her.


I assume when this type of thing happens in public that it must be a regular occurrence. My GF & I are way too private to argue in public, and we barely ever argue in private!


yeah hmmm

maybe they have spectacular make-up sex later?
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