what on earth... make him show you what the gay sign is and report back.

and i'm sorry to hear he's such a pain. Does he have ADD? does he have access to any creative expression, like an art class or supplies at home?

There was a gay sign at my school when I was a kid. I think you made a circle with your thumb and your forefinger or middle finger and held it close to your body. If somebody looked at it, they were gay and you punched them in the arm.

I've never heard of "the gay sign", although my Faggotry Handbook is from 2004. I've been laxed in upgrading.

ernestsewell said:

That word, ew.

johnart said:

I used it on purpose, to denote the silliness of the even being an existence of a "gay sign".

ernestsewell said:

I was hoping there was a reason.
Understand, Ernest, that with you one never knows. You could very well have been writing a satirical guide by that very name.

so the kid comes home from school today and I have to sign this paper. He had to write "I will not make the gay sign in class" 44 times. So I'm like "what the hell is a gay sign?" and he tells me it's some finger/palm motion but he didn't make the sign, he was just scratching his hand, and then some other kid told on him to the teacher and

So then I asked him what does gay mean (he's 9 tomorrow) and he's all nonchalant "it's when a boy likes a boy" so I guess soon I will have to have a talk with him, and I don't think he's nowhere mature enough to get it but oh well. I am not the one to let other people teach this kid about sex, so he can be even more confused.

So then I'm like why does your techer believe the other kid if she did not see you actually make this sign.....I had to break it down for him again. See when you chronically lie and get in trouble, then no one wants to believe you. It probably wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't spent the past month getting on his teachers' nerves with not doing his work, and talking out loud and walking and being a little douche, basically, and lying and stealing and getting into as much trouble as possible. We all tried to warn him!

So now he's basically the class liar and class troublemaker. 3rd grade, already having private meetings with the teacher trying to not have him get kicked out over foolishness.

Did you ever think you would hear a teacher say they want to strangle a kid. Well ever person this kid meets eventually tells me they want to strangle this kid....

I'm like "me too"

BklynBabe said:

so the kid comes home from school today and I have to sign this paper. He had to write "I will not make the gay sign in class" 44 times. So I'm like "what the hell is a gay sign?" and he tells me it's some finger/palm motion but he didn't make the sign, he was just scratching his hand, and then some other kid told on him to the teacher and

So then I asked him what does gay mean (he's 9 tomorrow) and he's all nonchalant "it's when a boy likes a boy" so I guess soon I will have to have a talk with him, and I don't think he's nowhere mature enough to get it but oh well. I am not the one to let other people teach this kid about sex, so he can be even more confused.

So then I'm like why does your techer believe the other kid if she did not see you actually make this sign.....I had to break it down for him again. See when you chronically lie and get in trouble, then no one wants to believe you. It probably wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't spent the past month getting on his teachers' nerves with not doing his work, and talking out loud and walking and being a little douche, basically, and lying and stealing and getting into as much trouble as possible. We all tried to warn him!
So now he's basically the class liar and class troublemaker. 3rd grade, already having private meetings with the teacher trying to not have him get kicked out over foolishness.

Did you ever think you would hear a teacher say they want to strangle a kid. Well ever person this kid meets eventually tells me they want to strangle this kid....

I'm like "me too"

That's ridiculous. If there's a gay sign, then what's the 'straight' sign? Sounds like a bunch of homophobic BS to me.

I've seen two gay signs but he would be too young to know about them. One of them was the hand gesture that Fred Sanford on "Sanford and Son" used to make when he would refer to gay people. The other was the twinkling of the fingers that Mr. Roper on "Three's Company" used to make.

vainandy said:

I love Three's Company, and it's one of the very few old shows I'll continually watch reruns of. (Usually when a show is over, I'm done with it.) But I have always hated the tinker bell references to Jack, and that fucking hand gesture by Stanley Roper. Don Knots' character, Ralph Furley, did it a couple of times, but both made "tinker bell" or "fairy" comments. While I understand WHY they made the jokes, it was the hand gesture that really irked me.

But being gay was still a joke on TV, and in society, back then. Nowadays, I would think that sort of thing would never go over well on TV (note: the minor backlash just us fans on the Org had w/ Prince on French TV doing the same hand gesture - oh wait, another old man making fun of homosexuals.....eh).

Ellen said it best when she talked about a 14 year old boy killing a classmate. The classmate had given the 14 y.o. a Valentine's card, and wanted to be his Valentine. The 14 year old killed the other boy for that. Ellen said, "What is SO bad in that child's mind, that the idea of a gay person repulses him to the point that he'd kill another child?" It's true. It's all environment, who the kid's friends are, and what they're learning as they grow up. The scary thing is, kids are away from home roughly 8 hours a day sometimes w/ school and play time outside. There's no way a parent can control what the kid intakes psychologically. Somewhere, there's still a stigma, even among children, that gay is bad, or being gay is a punch line. It's the same bullshit when someone says, "That is SO gay." "Oh I only mean it's stupid." Really, so gay = stupid? Can you imagine if people went around and said "That's so nig*erish." OMG the uproar. But if you're a fag....eh, so what, right?

Do we still do the left earring / right earring thing? and the different colored hankies in the back pocket? what about parking backwards in a public park ?

this finger / palm thing is confusing.

ernestsewell said:

newpower99 said:

vainandy said:

I love Three's Company, and it's one of the very few old shows I'll continually watch reruns of. (Usually when a show is over, I'm done with it.) But I have always hated the tinker bell references to Jack, and that fucking hand gesture by Stanley Roper. Don Knots' character, Ralph Furley, did it a couple of times, but both made "tinker bell" or "fairy" comments. While I understand WHY they made the jokes, it was the hand gesture that really irked me.

But being gay was still a joke on TV, and in society, back then. Nowadays, I would think that sort of thing would never go over well on TV (note: the minor backlash just us fans on the Org had w/ Prince on French TV doing the same hand gesture - oh wait, another old man making fun of homosexuals.....eh).

Ellen said it best when she talked about a 14 year old boy killing a classmate. The classmate had given the 14 y.o. a Valentine's card, and wanted to be his Valentine. The 14 year old killed the other boy for that. Ellen said, "What is SO bad in that child's mind, that the idea of a gay person repulses him to the point that he'd kill another child?" It's true. It's all environment, who the kid's friends are, and what they're learning as they grow up. The scary thing is, kids are away from home roughly 8 hours a day sometimes w/ school and play time outside. There's no way a parent can control what the kid intakes psychologically. Somewhere, there's still a stigma, even among children, that gay is bad, or being gay is a punch line. It's the same bullshit when someone says, "That is SO gay." "Oh I only mean it's stupid." Really, so gay = stupid? Can you imagine if people went around and said "That's so nig*erish." OMG the uproar. But if you're a fag....eh, so what, right?

phunkdaddy said:

We've been drug from cars to our deaths which is similar to lynching. People drive by our clubs or known areas and throw bottles, start fights, or even go undercover as someone who is interested in us only to later rob, beat, or kill us. Rednecks gang up in pickups at night sometimes and go on joyrides looking for random gay guys to beat. Try being openly gay and getting a seat on a school bus. It's not a matter of having to sit in the back, any seat that you want to sit in whether it's in the back or the front, some asshole was going to make a stink about it. If we had gotten out in the streets in the 1960s and stood up for our rights, the police would have turned the dogs and hoses on us too. We are also hated by our own race and family members too.

The main reason we haven't had as much bad treatment as black people is because all of us are not obvious and they can't spot us all out. One of the reasons the assholes chose black people for slaves is because they would be easy to spot if they escaped. Gay people wouldn't have been much use as slaves because two of the same sex can't multiply, a lot of us wouldn't have been strong enough to work in the fields (at least they think we wouldn't have) and they have always considered us pedaphiles that would molest their children. The racist assholes wanted blacks to do their work for them because the slave owners were lazy. They wanted blacks for work, they just wanted gay people dead.

It's not a contest at all though. Yes, black people have been treated worse and we don't dispute it. Both groups have caught hell and neither group should try to belittle or tear the other one down. We've both come a long way and we've both got a long way to go. Black people were the first to fight for their rights which influenced us to fight for our rights and influenced women to fight for their rights also. We don't see it as a competition, we see it as admiration.
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