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Thread started 12/07/09 6:08pm

BklynBabe

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the gay sign!

so the kid comes home from school today and I have to sign this paper. He had to write "I will not make the gay sign in class" 44 times. So I'm like "what the hell is a gay sign?" and he tells me it's some finger/palm motion but he didn't make the sign, he was just scratching his hand, and then some other kid told on him to the teacher and hmm

So then I asked him what does gay mean (he's 9 tomorrow) and he's all nonchalant "it's when a boy likes a boy" so I guess soon I will have to have a talk with him, and I don't think he's nowhere mature enough to get it but oh well. I am not the one to let other people teach this kid about sex, so he can be even more confused.

So then I'm like why does your techer believe the other kid if she did not see you actually make this sign.....I had to break it down for him again. See when you chronically lie and get in trouble, then no one wants to believe you. It probably wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't spent the past month getting on his teachers' nerves with not doing his work, and talking out loud and walking and being a little douche, basically, and lying and stealing and getting into as much trouble as possible. We all tried to warn him!

So now he's basically the class liar and class troublemaker. 3rd grade, already having private meetings with the teacher trying to not have him get kicked out over foolishness.

Did you ever think you would hear a teacher say they want to strangle a kid. Well ever person this kid meets eventually tells me they want to strangle this kid....

I'm like "me too" sigh
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Reply #1 posted 12/07/09 6:25pm

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lol what on earth... make him show you what the gay sign is and report back.

and i'm sorry to hear he's such a pain. Does he have ADD? does he have access to any creative expression, like an art class or supplies at home?
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Reply #2 posted 12/07/09 6:57pm

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Regardless of what the teacher thinks your son did...
I have a problem with making him write something over and over. We are NOT supposed to do that anymore. It makes writing into a punitive act, which discourages them from wanting to write. shake

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Reply #3 posted 12/07/09 7:09pm

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matthewgrant said:

lol what on earth... make him show you what the gay sign is and report back.

and i'm sorry to hear he's such a pain. Does he have ADD? does he have access to any creative expression, like an art class or supplies at home?


severe ADHD! Right now we have to reiterate behavior, behavior, behavior, and learning, learning, learning. We tried all the nice stuff and now I just gotta be hardcore! This past week he was finally being somewhat good, after last week where he got sent to the office, the principal's office, and the pastor's office all in one day for misbehaving. Yeah, he's a mess.

supposedly the gay sign is you move your finger in your palm 4 times....
I tell ya, kids will think of some shit LOL.

I'm okay with the writing actually because he needs the practice, and plus it trains him to sit still and focus on something. Basic time out with nothing to do doesn't work. Trust, he couldn't even read or write until he was 6 eek Half of his punishments when he was younger was writing...I killed 2 birds with 1 stone.
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Reply #4 posted 12/07/09 7:12pm

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There was a gay sign at my school when I was a kid. I think you made a circle with your thumb and your forefinger or middle finger and held it close to your body. If somebody looked at it, they were gay and you punched them in the arm.
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Reply #5 posted 12/07/09 7:15pm

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Efan said:

There was a gay sign at my school when I was a kid. I think you made a circle with your thumb and your forefinger or middle finger and held it close to your body. If somebody looked at it, they were gay and you punched them in the arm.

lol
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Reply #6 posted 12/07/09 8:22pm

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I imagined the gay sign to be a lot like the bat signal.

Please find out and let us know. I refuse to be in the dark. If 9 year olds know it I want to know! fit

Yeah, and sorry he's so trying. hug
We have a few like him (various degrees from less to more than you describe)in our family. It's...wall.
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Reply #7 posted 12/07/09 8:38pm

ernestsewell

I've never heard of "the gay sign", although my Faggotry Handbook is from 2004. I've been laxed in upgrading.
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Reply #8 posted 12/07/09 8:40pm

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ernestsewell said:

I've never heard of "the gay sign", although my Faggotry Handbook is from 2004. I've been laxed in upgrading.


That word, ew.
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Reply #9 posted 12/07/09 8:45pm

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ernestsewell said:

I've never heard of "the gay sign", although my Faggotry Handbook is from 2004. I've been laxed in upgrading.


That word, ew.

I used it on purpose, to denote the silliness of the even being an existence of a "gay sign".
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Reply #10 posted 12/07/09 8:48pm

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ernestsewell said:

johnart said:



That word, ew.

I used it on purpose, to denote the silliness of the even being an existence of a "gay sign".


I was hoping there was a reason. whew
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Reply #11 posted 12/07/09 9:17pm

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Must be a good child psychologist who works with ADHD kids??? Are there any other supports to help him???

http://www.4-adhd.com/parenting.html

http://www.additudemag.com/
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Reply #12 posted 12/07/09 9:21pm

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ernestsewell said:


I used it on purpose, to denote the silliness of the even being an existence of a "gay sign".


I was hoping there was a reason. whew
Understand, Ernest, that with you one never knows. You could very well have been writing a satirical guide by that very name.

I might make it the subtitle to my book I wrote last year.
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Reply #13 posted 12/07/09 9:31pm

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o for fuck sake not another one rolleyes If I was you I tell the teacher go to a gay/lesbian club get all the latest hand gesturing signs for gay/lesbians and tell her to report back to you with results. That should shut her/him up real quick falloff
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Reply #14 posted 12/07/09 9:33pm

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so the kid comes home from school today and I have to sign this paper. He had to write "I will not make the gay sign in class" 44 times. So I'm like "what the hell is a gay sign?" and he tells me it's some finger/palm motion but he didn't make the sign, he was just scratching his hand, and then some other kid told on him to the teacher and hmm

So then I asked him what does gay mean (he's 9 tomorrow) and he's all nonchalant "it's when a boy likes a boy" so I guess soon I will have to have a talk with him, and I don't think he's nowhere mature enough to get it but oh well. I am not the one to let other people teach this kid about sex, so he can be even more confused.

So then I'm like why does your techer believe the other kid if she did not see you actually make this sign.....I had to break it down for him again. See when you chronically lie and get in trouble, then no one wants to believe you. It probably wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't spent the past month getting on his teachers' nerves with not doing his work, and talking out loud and walking and being a little douche, basically, and lying and stealing and getting into as much trouble as possible. We all tried to warn him!

So now he's basically the class liar and class troublemaker. 3rd grade, already having private meetings with the teacher trying to not have him get kicked out over foolishness.

Did you ever think you would hear a teacher say they want to strangle a kid. Well ever person this kid meets eventually tells me they want to strangle this kid....

I'm like "me too" sigh



Oh dear what a hard time you are having - feels like a long hard slog up a hill when your child has ADHD - my grandson has austism and a low level of ADHD and my nephew has Aspergers. It's all very trying on the parents because of the behavioural aspect - funny enough since I found out about the condition of my grandson and nephew I am more patient with myself about children who I see misbehave in public because they might have the same problems.

I know that my grandson has to have and I mean has to have medication because of the ADHD otherwise his autism is bad it helps him to concentrate (when he can) and I must admit that it does help (for some parents this is not acceptable but so be it - who are we to judge its each to his own and I am a great believer in that it is the parents who bring up the child not the State!). He is now gradually learning to talk being 6 years old, eats his food very well, a loves to read books and having books read to him. His behaviour is good and he loves routine which is part of the austism.

My nephew is just been diagnosed with Aspergers and is seeing the Drs soon and my sister will know then what to do.

My heart goes out to you but persevere although do not do it alone - seek help, advice and assistance wherever possible and whenever possible - it will benefit you and thus the child.

Love and prayers (and big hug) hug
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Reply #15 posted 12/07/09 10:47pm

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BklynBabe said:

so the kid comes home from school today and I have to sign this paper. He had to write "I will not make the gay sign in class" 44 times. So I'm like "what the hell is a gay sign?" and he tells me it's some finger/palm motion but he didn't make the sign, he was just scratching his hand, and then some other kid told on him to the teacher and hmm


I've seen two gay signs but he would be too young to know about them. One of them was the hand gesture that Fred Sanford on "Sanford and Son" used to make when he would refer to gay people. The other was the twinkling of the fingers that Mr. Roper on "Three's Company" used to make....




So then I asked him what does gay mean (he's 9 tomorrow) and he's all nonchalant "it's when a boy likes a boy" so I guess soon I will have to have a talk with him, and I don't think he's nowhere mature enough to get it but oh well. I am not the one to let other people teach this kid about sex, so he can be even more confused.


Kids know more than you think they know. I was being called "queer" and "fag" by classmates as far back as the fifth grade and had no idea what those words meant. Those kids knew though and spotted me out instantly before I even knew what I was myself. This was back in the 1970s so just imagine what kids know today.

So then I'm like why does your techer believe the other kid if she did not see you actually make this sign.....I had to break it down for him again. See when you chronically lie and get in trouble, then no one wants to believe you. It probably wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't spent the past month getting on his teachers' nerves with not doing his work, and talking out loud and walking and being a little douche, basically, and lying and stealing and getting into as much trouble as possible. We all tried to warn him!
So now he's basically the class liar and class troublemaker. 3rd grade, already having private meetings with the teacher trying to not have him get kicked out over foolishness.


He's learning the lesson of "crying wolf". When you act up all the time, there may be a time that you didn't act up but nobody believes you because of your past. We all have to learn that lesson eventually. lol

Did you ever think you would hear a teacher say they want to strangle a kid. Well ever person this kid meets eventually tells me they want to strangle this kid....

I'm like "me too" sigh


It'll get better. lol
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Reply #16 posted 12/08/09 2:19am

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well for a change, I actually believe he didn't make the "gay sign" but what the heck? I'm like a gay sign, really. rolleyes

The thing with this ADHD is that he's really smart, and he could be a really sweet and wonderful kid to be around, he loves to laugh and have fun, but he's so unrelenting with stupid little shit that it gets on your nerves. That's all. Meds and counseling do help a bit. A lot of it he is just going to have to work out for himself though....

what really sucks for him is since he got the disruptive child label, all the other kids pick on him and try to cause trouble for him, and since his social skiils are lacking, he gets caught in the web every time...

there's a boarding school for ADHD boyys he can go to after he is 10, and I am seriously considering it!
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Reply #17 posted 12/08/09 3:08am

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Reply #18 posted 12/08/09 3:38am

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That's ridiculous. If there's a gay sign, then what's the 'straight' sign? Sounds like a bunch of homophobic BS to me.
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Reply #19 posted 12/08/09 3:50am

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Dayclear said:

That's ridiculous. If there's a gay sign, then what's the 'straight' sign? Sounds like a bunch of homophobic BS to me.


no evidently the kids have a hand signal to signify if someone is gay LOL

not the sign of gayness....
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Reply #20 posted 12/08/09 9:45am

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vainandy said:

I've seen two gay signs but he would be too young to know about them. One of them was the hand gesture that Fred Sanford on "Sanford and Son" used to make when he would refer to gay people. The other was the twinkling of the fingers that Mr. Roper on "Three's Company" used to make.

I love Three's Company, and it's one of the very few old shows I'll continually watch reruns of. (Usually when a show is over, I'm done with it.) But I have always hated the tinker bell references to Jack, and that fucking hand gesture by Stanley Roper. Don Knots' character, Ralph Furley, did it a couple of times, but both made "tinker bell" or "fairy" comments. While I understand WHY they made the jokes, it was the hand gesture that really irked me.

But being gay was still a joke on TV, and in society, back then. Nowadays, I would think that sort of thing would never go over well on TV (note: the minor backlash just us fans on the Org had w/ Prince on French TV doing the same hand gesture - oh wait, another old man making fun of homosexuals.....eh).

Ellen said it best when she talked about a 14 year old boy killing a classmate. The classmate had given the 14 y.o. a Valentine's card, and wanted to be his Valentine. The 14 year old killed the other boy for that. Ellen said, "What is SO bad in that child's mind, that the idea of a gay person repulses him to the point that he'd kill another child?" It's true. It's all environment, who the kid's friends are, and what they're learning as they grow up. The scary thing is, kids are away from home roughly 8 hours a day sometimes w/ school and play time outside. There's no way a parent can control what the kid intakes psychologically. Somewhere, there's still a stigma, even among children, that gay is bad, or being gay is a punch line. It's the same bullshit when someone says, "That is SO gay." "Oh I only mean it's stupid." Really, so gay = stupid? Can you imagine if people went around and said "That's so nig*erish." OMG the uproar. But if you're a fag....eh, so what, right?
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Reply #21 posted 12/08/09 1:23pm

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ernestsewell said:

vainandy said:

I've seen two gay signs but he would be too young to know about them. One of them was the hand gesture that Fred Sanford on "Sanford and Son" used to make when he would refer to gay people. The other was the twinkling of the fingers that Mr. Roper on "Three's Company" used to make.

I love Three's Company, and it's one of the very few old shows I'll continually watch reruns of. (Usually when a show is over, I'm done with it.) But I have always hated the tinker bell references to Jack, and that fucking hand gesture by Stanley Roper. Don Knots' character, Ralph Furley, did it a couple of times, but both made "tinker bell" or "fairy" comments. While I understand WHY they made the jokes, it was the hand gesture that really irked me.

But being gay was still a joke on TV, and in society, back then. Nowadays, I would think that sort of thing would never go over well on TV (note: the minor backlash just us fans on the Org had w/ Prince on French TV doing the same hand gesture - oh wait, another old man making fun of homosexuals.....eh).

Ellen said it best when she talked about a 14 year old boy killing a classmate. The classmate had given the 14 y.o. a Valentine's card, and wanted to be his Valentine. The 14 year old killed the other boy for that. Ellen said, "What is SO bad in that child's mind, that the idea of a gay person repulses him to the point that he'd kill another child?" It's true. It's all environment, who the kid's friends are, and what they're learning as they grow up. The scary thing is, kids are away from home roughly 8 hours a day sometimes w/ school and play time outside. There's no way a parent can control what the kid intakes psychologically. Somewhere, there's still a stigma, even among children, that gay is bad, or being gay is a punch line. It's the same bullshit when someone says, "That is SO gay." "Oh I only mean it's stupid." Really, so gay = stupid? Can you imagine if people went around and said "That's so nig*erish." OMG the uproar. But if you're a fag....eh, so what, right?


Completely agree. As racism, sexism, homophobia, attitudes toward overweight people and xenophobia are learned behaviors, the cycle can end if parents and teachers do their jobs to end the perpetuation of hate based on lack of understanding. The teacher in the OP did the right thing, method of punishment not withstanding.
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Reply #22 posted 12/08/09 1:58pm

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Do we still do the left earring / right earring thing? and the different colored hankies in the back pocket? what about parking backwards in a public park ?

this finger / palm thing is confusing.
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Reply #23 posted 12/08/09 2:25pm

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newpower99 said:

Do we still do the left earring / right earring thing? and the different colored hankies in the back pocket? what about parking backwards in a public park ?

this finger / palm thing is confusing.


What?!? I've always backed into parking spaces. It's something my dad did and both of my brothers do too. My wife always says it's like we think we're superheroes and need a fast getaway.
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Reply #24 posted 12/08/09 2:36pm

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I think what makes it even more interesting is that the kid already acts suspicious, but I don't know if the sign means you are gay or if you are calling someone else gay, but I reminded him before he left for school today that his hands need to be wrapped around a pencil and doing his work only

It's funny all the stuff we tell him he can't ever recall, but let another kid say and it's glued up in his lil brain!

Shit, when he first said I thought he meant gang signs eek

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ernestsewell said:

vainandy said:

I've seen two gay signs but he would be too young to know about them. One of them was the hand gesture that Fred Sanford on "Sanford and Son" used to make when he would refer to gay people. The other was the twinkling of the fingers that Mr. Roper on "Three's Company" used to make.

I love Three's Company, and it's one of the very few old shows I'll continually watch reruns of. (Usually when a show is over, I'm done with it.) But I have always hated the tinker bell references to Jack, and that fucking hand gesture by Stanley Roper. Don Knots' character, Ralph Furley, did it a couple of times, but both made "tinker bell" or "fairy" comments. While I understand WHY they made the jokes, it was the hand gesture that really irked me.

But being gay was still a joke on TV, and in society, back then. Nowadays, I would think that sort of thing would never go over well on TV (note: the minor backlash just us fans on the Org had w/ Prince on French TV doing the same hand gesture - oh wait, another old man making fun of homosexuals.....eh).

Ellen said it best when she talked about a 14 year old boy killing a classmate. The classmate had given the 14 y.o. a Valentine's card, and wanted to be his Valentine. The 14 year old killed the other boy for that. Ellen said, "What is SO bad in that child's mind, that the idea of a gay person repulses him to the point that he'd kill another child?" It's true. It's all environment, who the kid's friends are, and what they're learning as they grow up. The scary thing is, kids are away from home roughly 8 hours a day sometimes w/ school and play time outside. There's no way a parent can control what the kid intakes psychologically. Somewhere, there's still a stigma, even among children, that gay is bad, or being gay is a punch line. It's the same bullshit when someone says, "That is SO gay." "Oh I only mean it's stupid." Really, so gay = stupid? Can you imagine if people went around and said "That's so nig*erish." OMG the uproar. But if you're a fag....eh, so what, right?


I think that even for it's day, "Three's Company" did a pretty good job with it by having Mr. Roper do the tinkerbell gesture. His character was so stupid and everyone could see he was living 30 years behind the times. Kinda the same way with Archie Bunker's character being racist. The character was the person that most people would laugh at as a person because of their stupidity. Mr. Furley's character was also a joke too which made it funny. I would have found it highly offensive if someone like Larry was doing the tinkerbell gesture or even the two girls that Jack was living with because they were kind of likeable normal characters.
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newpower99 said:

Do we still do the left earring / right earring thing? and the different colored hankies in the back pocket? what about parking backwards in a public park ?

this finger / palm thing is confusing.


I remember when I got my ear pierced. The lady put the gun up to my left ear and I said...."Uh...the other ear honey". lol

I pierced my right ear to make a bold statement because I had always heard the left ear/straight, right ear/gay thing growing up so I pierced my right ear as a way of saying "fuck you" to people that didn't like it. But I do remember the very first time that I saw Prince back in 1980 on American Bandstand. He had a huge hoop earring in his right ear and was flaunting it. I later noticed that a lot of the pimps in the old 1970s movies had their earring in their right ear.
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Reply #27 posted 12/08/09 6:08pm

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ernestsewell said:

vainandy said:

I've seen two gay signs but he would be too young to know about them. One of them was the hand gesture that Fred Sanford on "Sanford and Son" used to make when he would refer to gay people. The other was the twinkling of the fingers that Mr. Roper on "Three's Company" used to make.

I love Three's Company, and it's one of the very few old shows I'll continually watch reruns of. (Usually when a show is over, I'm done with it.) But I have always hated the tinker bell references to Jack, and that fucking hand gesture by Stanley Roper. Don Knots' character, Ralph Furley, did it a couple of times, but both made "tinker bell" or "fairy" comments. While I understand WHY they made the jokes, it was the hand gesture that really irked me.

But being gay was still a joke on TV, and in society, back then. Nowadays, I would think that sort of thing would never go over well on TV (note: the minor backlash just us fans on the Org had w/ Prince on French TV doing the same hand gesture - oh wait, another old man making fun of homosexuals.....eh).

Ellen said it best when she talked about a 14 year old boy killing a classmate. The classmate had given the 14 y.o. a Valentine's card, and wanted to be his Valentine. The 14 year old killed the other boy for that. Ellen said, "What is SO bad in that child's mind, that the idea of a gay person repulses him to the point that he'd kill another child?" It's true. It's all environment, who the kid's friends are, and what they're learning as they grow up. The scary thing is, kids are away from home roughly 8 hours a day sometimes w/ school and play time outside. There's no way a parent can control what the kid intakes psychologically. Somewhere, there's still a stigma, even among children, that gay is bad, or being gay is a punch line. It's the same bullshit when someone says, "That is SO gay." "Oh I only mean it's stupid." Really, so gay = stupid? Can you imagine if people went around and said "That's so nig*erish." OMG the uproar. But if you're a fag....eh, so what, right?


I understand where you coming from but i just don't understand when it
comes to the topic of the gay and lesbian issue there has to be a reference
to civil rights or for the purpose of this post the "n" word. I understand
how a gay person feels about being taunted or discriminnated against but
please don't compare it to the civil rights issue. It's not the same.
I've never known white gays or lesbians to be attacked by dogs,sprayed by
water hoses,lynched,or told you have to sit at the back of the bus,restaurant,
or the top of an arena because of being gay. For the record,yes
we're in the 21st century and being homophobic is not a good look.
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Reply #28 posted 12/08/09 7:09pm

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phunkdaddy said:

ernestsewell said:


I love Three's Company, and it's one of the very few old shows I'll continually watch reruns of. (Usually when a show is over, I'm done with it.) But I have always hated the tinker bell references to Jack, and that fucking hand gesture by Stanley Roper. Don Knots' character, Ralph Furley, did it a couple of times, but both made "tinker bell" or "fairy" comments. While I understand WHY they made the jokes, it was the hand gesture that really irked me.

But being gay was still a joke on TV, and in society, back then. Nowadays, I would think that sort of thing would never go over well on TV (note: the minor backlash just us fans on the Org had w/ Prince on French TV doing the same hand gesture - oh wait, another old man making fun of homosexuals.....eh).

Ellen said it best when she talked about a 14 year old boy killing a classmate. The classmate had given the 14 y.o. a Valentine's card, and wanted to be his Valentine. The 14 year old killed the other boy for that. Ellen said, "What is SO bad in that child's mind, that the idea of a gay person repulses him to the point that he'd kill another child?" It's true. It's all environment, who the kid's friends are, and what they're learning as they grow up. The scary thing is, kids are away from home roughly 8 hours a day sometimes w/ school and play time outside. There's no way a parent can control what the kid intakes psychologically. Somewhere, there's still a stigma, even among children, that gay is bad, or being gay is a punch line. It's the same bullshit when someone says, "That is SO gay." "Oh I only mean it's stupid." Really, so gay = stupid? Can you imagine if people went around and said "That's so nig*erish." OMG the uproar. But if you're a fag....eh, so what, right?


I understand where you coming from but i just don't understand when it
comes to the topic of the gay and lesbian issue there has to be a reference
to civil rights or for the purpose of this post the "n" word. I understand
how a gay person feels about being taunted or discriminnated against but
please don't compare it to the civil rights issue. It's not the same.
I've never known white gays or lesbians to be attacked by dogs,sprayed by
water hoses,lynched,or told you have to sit at the back of the bus,restaurant,
or the top of an arena because of being gay. For the record,yes
we're in the 21st century and being homophobic is not a good look.
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We've been drug from cars to our deaths which is similar to lynching. People drive by our clubs or known areas and throw bottles, start fights, or even go undercover as someone who is interested in us only to later rob, beat, or kill us. Rednecks gang up in pickups at night sometimes and go on joyrides looking for random gay guys to beat. Try being openly gay and getting a seat on a school bus. It's not a matter of having to sit in the back, any seat that you want to sit in whether it's in the back or the front, some asshole was going to make a stink about it. If we had gotten out in the streets in the 1960s and stood up for our rights, the police would have turned the dogs and hoses on us too. We are also hated by our own race and family members too.

The main reason we haven't had as much bad treatment as black people is because all of us are not obvious and they can't spot us all out. One of the reasons the assholes chose black people for slaves is because they would be easy to spot if they escaped. Gay people wouldn't have been much use as slaves because two of the same sex can't multiply, a lot of us wouldn't have been strong enough to work in the fields (at least they think we wouldn't have) and they have always considered us pedaphiles that would molest their children. The racist assholes wanted blacks to do their work for them because the slave owners were lazy. They wanted blacks for work, they just wanted gay people dead.

It's not a contest at all though. Yes, black people have been treated worse and we don't dispute it. Both groups have caught hell and neither group should try to belittle or tear the other one down. We've both come a long way and we've both got a long way to go. Black people were the first to fight for their rights which influenced us to fight for our rights and influenced women to fight for their rights also. We don't see it as a competition, we see it as admiration.
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Reply #29 posted 12/08/09 7:53pm

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We've been drug from cars to our deaths which is similar to lynching. People drive by our clubs or known areas and throw bottles, start fights, or even go undercover as someone who is interested in us only to later rob, beat, or kill us. Rednecks gang up in pickups at night sometimes and go on joyrides looking for random gay guys to beat. Try being openly gay and getting a seat on a school bus. It's not a matter of having to sit in the back, any seat that you want to sit in whether it's in the back or the front, some asshole was going to make a stink about it. If we had gotten out in the streets in the 1960s and stood up for our rights, the police would have turned the dogs and hoses on us too. We are also hated by our own race and family members too.

The main reason we haven't had as much bad treatment as black people is because all of us are not obvious and they can't spot us all out. One of the reasons the assholes chose black people for slaves is because they would be easy to spot if they escaped. Gay people wouldn't have been much use as slaves because two of the same sex can't multiply, a lot of us wouldn't have been strong enough to work in the fields (at least they think we wouldn't have) and they have always considered us pedaphiles that would molest their children. The racist assholes wanted blacks to do their work for them because the slave owners were lazy. They wanted blacks for work, they just wanted gay people dead.

It's not a contest at all though. Yes, black people have been treated worse and we don't dispute it. Both groups have caught hell and neither group should try to belittle or tear the other one down. We've both come a long way and we've both got a long way to go. Black people were the first to fight for their rights which influenced us to fight for our rights and influenced women to fight for their rights also. We don't see it as a competition, we see it as admiration.
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