ZombieKitten said:

Thanks!

meow85 said:

no worries

alex, can i take both for $1000.00

For the longest time, I thought this thread said "Disciplining VERSACE will beat the shit out of your children"

Imago said:

luv4u said:

I'm swimming in books LOL. We make it thru day by day. like ZK, I have a fiercesome temper, and that's why I had to decide not to spank anymore, and I am frustrated having to say the same thing every day. But I try to give him every opportunity. And I think to myself...only 9 more years!!!

Any kind of discipline using physical contact, emotional and abusive tones, bullying and neglect is child abuse. A child has no chance against a person 2 or 3 times their size and from the moment this cyle begins the child becomes a victim.

When my daughter was 4 she played up big time seeing father Christmas in a garden centre so i just picked her up put her under my arm like i was carrying a ladder and marched out side into the cold and whilst she carried on crying and screaming I was silent then she relized it was cold and went all quiet and i said have you finished? I asked her why what was all that about and she did'nt want to see santa, why she didnt say that in the first place I dont know? the following year she wanted to go!!!!

the funny thing was when I carried her out all arms and legs going every where a couple people just stopped and clapped???

PanthaGirl said:

I would spank that bottom or pop a hand

I would also give a hug after a discussion

you sound like letting them know by your voice that a behavior is no good and damaging is criminal

-well my kids are victims before conception- I hope they are not delinquents- they are gonna get Joe Jackson whippins....spare the rod- spoil the child

not the Joe Jackson whippin's

what I really have a problem with mine is he is very disrespectful, rude, attitude, almost bipolar...what really bothers me is when he disrespects his grandma and stuff, doesn't apologize and is very sly with lying and stealing. that's the stuff that has me scared for his future.

trust....he is in school and 2 day cares, and everyone is okay with my discipline methods. sad thing is he really is much better than he could be, he could be a really holy terror, but I do have to ride him hard to keep him as well as he is. I talk to his teachers regularly and I do a lot of studying and a lot to make sure he is healthy.

But I am not going to raise a person to think he is entitled to shit he did not earn, and truly if he can't be respectful to adults and mind his manners and work on his own self then it's just going to be his problem. Some folk are just hard headed like that and want to keep pushing it with their shit. It ain't cute now and sure as hell won't be cute when he is grown!

just like a grown person, you can talk, talk, talk, but if they want to act all stank, then they are going to get the stank eye! I'm just trying not to go to jail for assault or battery on an adult or a child. But there needs to be discipline in everybody's life, external and self discipline.

At the same token if you see someone getting irate and you know they got a twitchy hand....you might want to think to yourself to get the fuck out of dodge. shit I know I would stay far out of Joe Jackson's reach...and evvy's LOL.

BklynBabe said:

I don't like spanking- and in all seriousness I pray that I will only hand out a few good ones. I prefer the method of having a close relationship with them and getting to know their likes and dislikes- guiding them around destructive behaviors will be that much easier-

but i'll never say I wont spank and I challenge those who say they don't even raise an eyebrow less known their hand or voice

Imago said:

fuck, Dan...we must be sharing brain cells and shit...'cause I read the same thing at first...


*hangthedjhangthedjhangthedj*

My father never hit us, but my mother and grandfather would tear the hide off our asses. Let me tell you looking back, it got my attention. I don't wanna think about it!
[Edited 10/8/09 6:17am]

Revolution said:

Co-sign

It worked for me. I wasn't spanked that often. Just seeing my father's belt hanging in the closet kept me from doing too much dumb shit.

Exactly. My great aunt (my grandmother's sister) never spanked her son or grandson and both of them were spoiled as hell. She kept her grandson a lot and she absolutely dared anyone to so much as say anything to him when he got out of line. She had money and loved to throw it around. However, my grandmother was her sister, was dirt poor, and wasn't afraid of her ass. She used to babysit the little devil to make some extra money. She tore his little ass up with a belt when he needed it and he obeyed and respected her. He actually preferred being around my grandmother more than being around his own grandmother. His own grandmother was simply the money bags that he could manipulate into getting whatever he wanted.

I will never forget the time when we were all sitting around and he was playing "teacher" with a wooden spoon. My grandmother and great aunt were talking and he kept telling them to shut up (he had to always be the center of attention). My great aunt told him some goofy "time out" type shit and he just laughed at her. My grandmother got up to beat his little ass and my great aunt stopped her. Then, they continued talking. He kept telling them to shut up or he would spank them with his "spanking spoon". My great aunt told him to quit again and he raised that spoon up to her. She went to grab the spoon and he spit a great big ole snotwad dead in her face. Spit was rolling down her face and her makeup was running. My grandmother got up and my great aunt tried to stop her. My grandmother said "Either you're going to whip his ass or I'm going to. And if you try to stop me, I'm gonna whip your damn ass, you goofy stuffy bitch". Then she grabbed that wooden spoon out of his hand and tore his little ass up and she should have.

Evvy said:

awww, that's nice.

even in business matters I find that if you stick staunchly to your contract with clients and penalize them for breech of contract- they respect you more than the clients that you are lax with.

those clients pay on time and are more apt to follow and respect you, your business and rules

Imago said:

dang, now i'm thinking of that fine ass serial killer.

Can't one instill fear in their child without touching them? My mom was especially good at that. She had a tone and then a shriek that stopped me dead in my tracks.

Evvy said:

Do you beat your clients too? No? Then why beat your children?

I can think of one right this very minute that I'd like to beat.

DesireeNevermind said:

Can it be done? Yes

Is it a crime/horrible act to incorporate moderate spanking? No

I am in favor of exhausting as many options as possible before deciding to spank. Spanking should be a last resort with the exception of maybe popping a child once on the hand or leg at certain times to really get their attention. Those who reach for the belt every time a kid acts up are just frustrated and/or lazy.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

100% agree

dothejump said:

i'm not responsible for the lives of my clients

Evvy said:

Way to illustrate my point. You mean to tell me every single child whose parents had never used physical force against them is a delinquent monster? Bull. Shit.

Evvy said:

Yeah, because obviously, a lack of violence equals inadequate parenting.

Spank if you want to think it's useful, but don't forget plenty of parents never have or will and are successful at raising their kids well.

DesireeNevermind said:

My mom never raised a hand to me, but I knew well never to cross her. Even as an adult I'm reluctant to do so unless I know there's damned good justification.

Of course, if you listen to some in the pro-spanking crowd, because I was never hit by my mom it's a miracle I'm not rotting in jail.

I had it pretty bad...

Childhood friend: damn mikey, how did u get the huge bruise on your shoulder

Me: my mom kicked me down the stairs cause she lost her watch

nyse said:

I'm not trying to put down your family but, I think that's a perfect example of the line between discipline and abuse being crossed.

PurpleRighteous1 said:

That's an obvious example of abuse, but often it's not so black and white. Where and how do we draw the line between acceptable physical punishment and outright abuse? Is there a legal definition?

A big problem I have with the use of corporal punishment in parenting is that what's legally and socially acceptable for a person to do to their child, is illegal to the point of being a criminal offense and completely socially unacceptable for a person to do to their spouse. Why is it okay to hit your kids as discipline, but not your marriage partner? Why is it okay to hit someone usually physically smaller and weaker than you, and certainly socially and legally inferior, but not someone who is approximately in the same standing as you?

Wait.

I think I just answered the question myself with the wording of that last query.