Dayclear said:

And I disagree with that. I had mumps, measles and chicken pox as a kid. I can think of tons of shit worse.

BklynBabe said:

HPV is highly contagious, and transmitted even between people who are using condoms. If people expect their daughters to avoid HPV, they are ignorant. To not vaccinate them and protect them against CANCER out of some puritanical abstinence-only bullshit would also be ignorant.

People have forgotten how awful the diseases are that we vaccinate against, and as parents don't vaccinate their kids (based on rumors with no scientific basis), we see the diseases coming back.

The autism link is bullshit. It has been discredited multiple times. Any kid who starts showing symptoms of autism is likely to have had a vaccine in the not-too-distant past, because kids get vaccinated frequently. Kids also drink soda frequently. Did your kid drink soda before they started showing symptoms? OMG SODA CAUSES AUTISM!

Frankly, if you allow your child to drink soda, but don't vaccinate them, I think you're nuts. The soda is an actual threat to their health, seriously!

if you have to worry about your 11 year old catching HPV and cancer, you have bigger problems. Vaccinate at 18-21, yes. Vaccinating 11-12 year olds, sad.

and for the most part I don't let the kid drink soda....

BklynBabe said:

Welcome to the real world. Five of my daughter's friends already have babies and my daughter is 14.

And yes, I worry about her catching HPV and cancer because no matter how great a mom I think I am, kids do whatever tha fuck they want.

Vendetta1 said:

Yup. Don't care what you think you've taught your child, you can't wager your kid's health on her being abstinent until she's 18-21. That's not realistic.

I think that it should also be taken into account that having the disease is worse. What is not as severe for one child may be just as worse for another. And I think that we must also understand that these are communicable diseases and can be passed on to others. Several of these diseases such as mumps, Haemophilus influenzae type b, pneumococal disease (which I can't pronounce ) all cause Meningitis-another disease that people can die from in days. Rubella causes birth defects and mental retardation, heart disease within the womb if the mother is infected. And once a person catches these diseases you can't turn around and get a shot for it.

tackam said:

not at all.

seeing as I was a young teenage girl, I get that.

at the same token advocating not vaccinating your kids against diseases that can kill them and then advocating vaccinating against a preventable disease is very ignorant....

and yes I've known teenage mothers and teenage girls with genital warts and HPV. Do the vaccine or not, but you STILL need to educate your young women. I seriously hope you don't think it's a good thing for a 13 yr old to be pregnant or have an STD, and I hope you don't think a vaccine is a quick fix when there is still HIV/AIDS.

I can't educate a 2 yr old on how not to get chickenpox...

BklynBabe said:

umm I don't think anybody thinks that or wants that.

BklynBabe said:

Who are you replying to?

Vendetta1 said:

I think its an attempt to be condescending and passive aggressive at the same time

heybaby said:

Oh, is that what that was?

In that case:

No one here has not educated their teenaged daughters on sex and STDs. Where the fuck anyone gets the idea that anyone here thinks it's a good thing for a 13 year old to get pregnant or have an STD is beyond me. And who the hell said a vaccine was a quick fix?

look, it's the internet and I have a migraine, wasn't trying to be anything, obviously we are on the same page, so have a great day. peace.

I agree with some of those.

It is worth asking: Why is it that the vaccinated are afraid of the un-vaccinated?


But at least some states allow parents to reject them based on philosophical grounds. If most people are vaccinated and if the shots are effective then there is protection in that alone. If you do not get it then you are less likely to be able to give it to me.

Vendetta1 said:

You're right. To hell with vaccines. Bring on Polio as well, not that bad. Smallpox, over-rated. Whooping Cough? Just a little tickle in the throat!

.....

Seriously, that may be one of the stupidest things I've read on the org.

18 months ago I was in Zambia, where all of the above (and more!) run rampant. There is no mass immunisation system. The result? Hundreds of babies die of Whoping cough. The streets of Lusaka are littered with kids who are crippled from Polio.... Do you want me o go on?

I'm all for freedom of speech, and everyone has the right to do as they wish, particularly with their own kids. But this kind of propaganda is dangerous. When parents decide not to vaccinate their kids, it also has implications for the community at large.

In a community in Sydney, a small outbreak of Whooping Cough, which has already claimed one babie's life, has been directly attributed to the extremely low immunisation rates of that community. So if you decide to abstain, you're not just risking the health of your own child, but potentially everyone else's.

TyphoonTip said:

What is stupid is people reading their own meaning into my words. I am not advocating parents not vaccinating their kids so get the fuck over yourself.

Vendetta1 said:

To a comment "Nothings worse than the diseases", you replied "And I disagree with that. I had mumps, measles and chicken pox as a kid. I can think of tons of shit worse."

Seems pretty clear to me. If you meant something else, perhaps you should type it.

TyphoonTip said:

I said exactly what I meant. Sorry if you are having reading comprehension problems. Where you are reading I am advocating against vaccinations is beyond me. My children have all of theirs. I even said in another post that I have suspicions about vaccinations because of my son's autism but would get him vaccinated if I had it to do it all over again. Even if I were against vaccinations, it would be a personal choice and I would never try to convince others not to have them.

Vendetta1 said:

and Tiff (a few posts further up) says it so well, there are kids out there who aren't strong as oxes, so whilst your own kids might get through it, those same childhood diseases might kill them.

My grandma caught whooping cough last year. Can you imagine? 96 years old!!! The only thing they could do for her was morphine

ZombieKitten said:

connorhawke said:

but she didn't die!!!! she hung in there

Vendetta1 said:

I didn't mean to offend, and I'm sorry if I did.

I did read your other posts, but when I got to the one I singled out, it confused the issue for me, it terms of your stance. Now clearly since that post I know that's not where you are.

I have a few personal issues with immunisation and a couple of the diseases they are trying to prevent, so I 'm a little more 'steamed filed' about this issue, and a perhaps not as calm and collected as I should be. ....But obviously this is in your thoughts as well.

TyphoonTip said:

I get a little heated when I'm misunderstood. I meant in no way to diminish childhood illnesses.

Vendetta1 said:

ZombieKitten said:

ZombieKitten said:

Tough old coot! Good on her.
A colleague came to work all coughing and spluttering months ago. Shortly after an email went around the whole department saying that "a staff member" had been diagnosed with whooping cough and a bunch of links to info about it. We freaked.

She'd picked it up on a business trip in Urumqi

At least insurance covered it all!

Vendetta1 said:

connorhawke said:

my friend chose not to vaccinate her kids. Her son contracted whooping cough and missed out on 11 weeks of school

My grandma is having a grand time at her new nursing home. She has to try and make friends with all the residents in their 70s, she has a tendency to keep outliving everyone!

ZombieKitten said:

butt why would he do that shitt ? just cuz they did the same shitt to Ray Brooks dont mean nothing you know ?Ray dont know nothing , he aint shitt and he knows it . ...soo all those fools better step theyre game up and recognize .
Smith was RIGHT when he called him out on that butt muthafuckas wouldnt believehim and thought he was bullshittin butt now they gotta learn theyre lesson the hard way.