peacenlovealways said:

My GBF said "sweetheart that is a man". He has dated his fair share of he/shes so he must know what he's talking about. Dayum...I can't get over that voice. Sounds like a dude. Maybe it is a hormonal thing or even a drug thing, either way the tests are going to reveal something embarrassing to one side or the other.

peacenlovealways said:

Always looked like a woman to me. Softer face than Caster, plus having boobs, hips, ass, rounded shoulders and a girl voice puts her above suspicion.

she's a woman

total bullshit IMO

MAYBE CASTER IS ON 'ROIDS?

DesireeNevermind said:

like...to each their own and all...but that's fuckin gross.

RodeoSchro said:

my ring finger is shorter than my middle finger,but I am clearly a girl,and have always been a girl.

DesireeNevermind said:

They say that she is on a suicide watch. I find it hard 2 believe that this person had no idea what she was/is. Does this make sense 2 u?

http://medindia.net/news/...8003-1.htm
[Edited 9/16/09 12:37pm]

Graycap23 said:

the hell???
this is sad.

BobGeorge909 said:

http://medindia.net/news/...8003-1.htm

South African runner Caster Semenya, who is at the center of a gender row, has been placed on suicide watch amid fears for her mental stability.

The Daily Star quoted officials as saying that psychologists are caring the 18-year-old round-the- clock after it was claimed tests had proved she was a hermaphrodite.(the correct term should be intersexed)




Leaked details of the probe by the ­International Association of ­Athletics Federations showed the 800m starlet had male and female sex organs - but no womb.

Lawmaker Butana Komphela, chair of South Africa's sports committee, was quoted as saying: "She is like a raped person. She is afraid of herself and does not want anyone near her. If she commits suicide, it will be on all our heads. The best we can do is protect her and look out for her during this trying time."

South African athletics officials confirmed Semenya is now receiving trauma counselling at the University of Pretoria.

Caster has not competed since the World Athletics Championships last month when the IAAF ordered gender tests on her amid claims she might be male.

Source-ANI
SRM

i hope you are all happy adding to the atmosphere to make someone feel it's better to be dead than who they are.

Graycap23 said:

If she has female parts on the outside then why would she think otherwise? It was up to her doctor/parents to educate her on her unique condition. I guess the doctors/parents didn't want to, it's not her fault she was just born that way.

paintedlady said:

she was raised as a girl and treated as girl to her she is a girl. she may have never known any different. grey is just showing his basic lack of understanding of the situation.

I would hate in my heart for her to want to kill herself finding out that she is not the person she thought she was.

At the same token she had a helluva lot of clues that something was not clean in the bathwater.

I feel that her coaches are the people that really did her wrong by not having her tested privately a long time ago. Most people were not really confused when we watched her and heard her.

I put her in my prayers tonight, that she can accept it is what it is and make the best of it. She ain't the first and won't be the last.

BklynBabe said:

you can do alot by educating yourself about intersexed people and others as well. i can help point in the right direction if you want some info.

ehuffnsd said:

I am angry that people want to stop her from competing, and stripping her titles away. They should restore her well earned wins and allow her to do what she loves to do. She is NOT a cheater, she didn't now she wasn't a classic woman, she thought she was, in her own view she is normal, now "normal" isn't.

People need to treat her with the respect she deserves.

paintedlady said:

i just teared up reading that thank you.

paintedlady said:

Thank you.

Vendetta1 said:

No need for thanks, its just the truth IMO. Her father needs counseling, he is probably confused and might take it out on himself as well.

ehuffnsd said:

EXCLUSIVE: As controversial world champion runner Caster Semenya is reported to have both male and female sexual characteristics, Sarah Graham, 40, writes about her own life as an intersex woman..

My heart goes out to Caster Semenya, few can imagine what it feels like to have your whole world turned upside-down – as hers has been.

I really do feel for what Caster’s going though – the shock, fear, doubt, sudden sense of being very alone in the world. And the terrible dawning question – who am I? Will people still accept me?

Will anyone be able to love me, if I’m not a normal woman?

I found out the truth that I’m intersexed in a very sudden, shocking way.

Although I don’t wish to speculate on Caster’s diagnosis – that’s her private business – I want her to know that she is not alone. And only she can decide her gender – nobody else can.

Like Caster I had absolutely no idea that I was intersexed – nor did any of my partners. But my doctor and gynaecologists did know the truth about my body.

I was lied to – and my parents were too. This wasn’t a one-off. It was standard policy (until the mid-1990s) to hide the truth about all intersex conditions like mine.

I was 25 when I found out the extent of the cover-up.

The shock of suddenly being told the true nature of my diagnosis – with no support and after being systematically lied to for so many years – nearly killed me. I went into an emotional meltdown.

What I found out – after years of being stonewalled – was that I’m an XY woman. I have a rare intersex condition called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS).

Through reading my medical notes I found my doctors knew the truth about me when I was seven. They operated on me to ‘take out my ovaries, because they would become cancerous when I was a teenager’.

This was a horrible lie to tell a child and her family and left me living in fear that I would get cancer. The big dark secret about my body is that I’m the living embodiment of an apparent contradiction, (both female and male).

Put simply, my body looks outwardly female but I have male chromosomes and one or two other surprises internally.

My ‘ovaries’ were in fact testes. Which was quite a shock. (No really! I can laugh about it now, on a good day.)

Although it may be difficult to get your head around, if they’d left my body as it was I would have produced hormones naturally and not had a lifetime of hormone replacement therapy.

And ironically, my body is very insensitive to testosterone, so I don’t have big muscles or unwanted hair and have very soft skin. AIS women also tend to be above average intelligence – though the doctors don’t know why.

Caster’s only 18 and after years of hard work and training is just starting to realise her dreams of international athletic success, becoming world champion – winning the gold medal for 800 metres – in Berlin.

And now all anyone is talking about is: Is she or is he?

Her family say she is a woman and have raised her as such. It says ‘female’ on her birth certificate and Caster herself has never had any reason to doubt it.

Yes, she looks a bit androgynous and has lots of rippling muscles – but just look at the other female athletes. And when we are talking big biceps let’s not forget Madonna’s arms! (No one would dare question her femaleness. She’s too scary.)

But since a higher than normal level of testosterone was found in Caster’s blood, journalists and athletics fans have been whipping themselves into a near frenzy.

Last week results from the tests started being leaked and if these results are true it sounds like Caster is intersexed. But not a true hermaphrodite. Intersexuality is a word that is hardly ever mentioned in the media. When it is mentioned it is as some kind of slur. Something a bit seedy, dirty, and very wrong.

Intersexuality both titillates and frightens people because it threatens our very basic idea of how the world is made.

When a baby is born the first question anyone asks is is it a girl or a boy. That’s it. Two options: pink or blue. But the truth is that nature isn’t that clear-cut.

The really shocking truth is that in the 20th century there was a massive cover-up of this. The medical and legal know-it-alls tried their very best to erase intersexuality from society.

They took it upon themselves to try to force everyone into two categories: male or female. Nothing else was acceptable.

Not much has been written about the genital surgery done to babies and young children in Europe and North America to make them look ‘more normal’.

These operations are often for cosmetic reasons and are frequently damaging to adult sexual feeling and/or fertility.

And because vaginas are easier to make than functioning penises, 90% of intersex babies emerge from surgery as girls.

This disregarding of intersex children’s human rights is starting to be challenged. But surgery is still happening.

When an intersex baby is born, an ‘expert’ is called to decide which sex to assign it to and the parents are often pressured to go along with this decision.

There are several types of intersexuality and although you’ve probably met one of us, without knowing it, we are a largely invisible oppressed minority.

The fear, fascination and loathing our bodies provoke in our culture has held the power to shame and silence me for years. Caster’s public outing will be enormously painful for her but she has an incredible gift to offer the world.

It’s time people were better educated about intersexuality – so that the 4% of us who are ‘special and different’ can be ourselves.

I hope the South African people will continue to stand by Caster and give her the love and support she will really need.

Not all societies are prejudiced. Native Americans honour intersex people – seeing us as the best warriors and healers, and call us “two-souls”.

After my diagnosis nearly killing me and ending up addicted to drink and drugs, I did rehab in 2001 and rebuilt my life. I’m now a counsellor with my own company helping people learn to be happy with who they are.

On a personal note, I’m now very happy with who I am and on December 12 last year, I married my partner. I don't ever regret being born intersex now – except for the infertility– because it has made me very strong and understanding of our human similarities and the differences that make us each unique.

And as for whether being intersexed gives Caster an unfair advantage? I was pretty quick at the 800 metres myself but sadly, I don’t have any gold medals.

She has worked very hard to be a great athlete and deserves her medal and any future success. Let her keep it.

WHAT IT MEANS

One in every 2,000 people are born with some kind of intersex condition. This means at birth there may be questions about the sex of the child because there is a mix of male and female body parts.

Many cases go un-noticed because the child looks male or female and it is often not until puberty it is discovered. Britain is at the forefront of research into how this is treated.

Star athlete Caster is said to be on suicide watch in South Africa and receiving trauma counselling.

“No young woman can easily accept that she has male sex organs,” explains specialist plastic surgeon Chris Inglefield.

“It is terribly distressing and even if she had her suspicions, Caster is likely to have been deeply in denial about it all.

“Caster will need a lot of support and compassion as she struggles through this horrendous, shocking

experience with the eyes of the world watching her.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/l...-21671255/

DesireeNevermind said:

How close was you looking?!?!

From what I have read, and articles on the supposed leaked results, Caster has female external organs and possibly underdeveloped masculine ones internally - so I don't know what it is you think you've been seeing when she runs. This may be bullshite, but noone knows until the results come out.

Additionally, this is not her first race, and I don't think she looks any more masculine now than she did when previously racing so why are questions only being asked now? Athletes are supposed to get better and perform better aren't they but it seems because she has (admittedly in stunning fashion) 'oh she must be a dude!' - why was a gender test the first test they decided was necessary, why not a dope test?

Lastly, has she been showering alone in all the time she has been competing - if she has a dick why haven't other competitors said anything before.

I think this whole thing has been handled very poorly1

paintedlady said:

I'm NOT buying it.

The way that this has been handled is a disgrace. You want to ruin someone's life over a fricking sports medal? I'm a huge sports fan, but this has been taken way too far. If she's a woman or intersexed, she should be able to compete with women. This person is an elite athlete and deserves respect for her amazing achievements. To ruin her life over this is taking the competitive edge of sports way too far.

Graycap23 said:

read post #80.

JustErin said:

Now that was an education.I'm working on a project that this information will be a great help 2.
Thanks.

never mind you did read it.
[Edited 9/17/09 12:38pm]

Moonbeam said:

Would u feel the same way if yu were competing against this person?

Graycap23 said:

but she didn't know she was intersexed. no one did.

ehuffnsd said:

That is not my question.
I understand that she claims that she did not know. Let's say that she did not know. If u competed against her, and lost, would u still feel the same way?