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Thread started 07/22/09 5:54am

Graycap23

Mother & daughter killed while daughter attempts suicide

Very sad.....
.Shortly before 9 p.m., a Gwinnett County police officer responded to a suicide attempt at a home in the 3000 block of Tracey Drive, police said.

“A mother called about her daughter,” police spokeswoman Cpl. Illana Spellman said. “The daughter made threats that she wanted police to kill her.”

While the officer and mother were talking, the daughter came downstairs holding a gun that she pointed at the officer, Spellman said.

Feeling threatened, the officer fired, Spellman said.

Both women were hit, police said.

The mother was killed.

The daughter was injured, and taken to a nearby hospital, police said.

“We don’t know if the mother stepped into the officer’s line of fire,” Spellman said.

Crime scene and shoot team investigators are on the scene to determine what happened, she said.

The incident is still under investigation.
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Reply #1 posted 07/22/09 6:42am

heybaby

disbelief
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Reply #2 posted 07/22/09 7:12am

angel345

Graycap23 said:

Very sad.....
.Shortly before 9 p.m., a Gwinnett County police officer responded to a suicide attempt at a home in the 3000 block of Tracey Drive, police said.

“A mother called about her daughter,” police spokeswoman Cpl. Illana Spellman said. “The daughter made threats that she wanted police to kill her.”

While the officer and mother were talking, the daughter came downstairs holding a gun that she pointed at the officer, Spellman said.

Feeling threatened, the officer fired, Spellman said.

Both women were hit, police said.

The mother was killed.

The daughter was injured, and taken to a nearby hospital, police said.

“We don’t know if the mother stepped into the officer’s line of fire,” Spellman said.

Crime scene and shoot team investigators are on the scene to determine what happened, she said.

The incident is still under investigation.

Personally, I believe that it was a mother's instinct at work: protecting her daughter and she paid with her life.
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Reply #3 posted 07/22/09 7:18am

NMuzakNSoul

Sigh.....disbelief
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Reply #4 posted 07/22/09 7:20am

RodeoSchro

You are right, that is very sad. I will pray for the families of all involved.

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Reply #5 posted 07/22/09 7:24am

dseann

Graycap23 said:

Very sad.....
.Shortly before 9 p.m., a Gwinnett County police officer responded to a suicide attempt at a home in the 3000 block of Tracey Drive, police said.

“A mother called about her daughter,” police spokeswoman Cpl. Illana Spellman said. “The daughter made threats that she wanted police to kill her.”

While the officer and mother were talking, the daughter came downstairs holding a gun that she pointed at the officer, Spellman said.

Feeling threatened, the officer fired, Spellman said.

Both women were hit, police said.

The mother was killed.

The daughter was injured, and taken to a nearby hospital, police said.

“We don’t know if the mother stepped into the officer’s line of fire,” Spellman said.

Crime scene and shoot team investigators are on the scene to determine what happened, she said.

The incident is still under investigation.


Can a mother's tender loving care cease towards the child she bears? sad
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Reply #6 posted 07/22/09 7:28am

NMuzakNSoul

dseann said:

Graycap23 said:

Very sad.....
.Shortly before 9 p.m., a Gwinnett County police officer responded to a suicide attempt at a home in the 3000 block of Tracey Drive, police said.

“A mother called about her daughter,” police spokeswoman Cpl. Illana Spellman said. “The daughter made threats that she wanted police to kill her.”

While the officer and mother were talking, the daughter came downstairs holding a gun that she pointed at the officer, Spellman said.

Feeling threatened, the officer fired, Spellman said.

Both women were hit, police said.

The mother was killed.

The daughter was injured, and taken to a nearby hospital, police said.

“We don’t know if the mother stepped into the officer’s line of fire,” Spellman said.

Crime scene and shoot team investigators are on the scene to determine what happened, she said.

The incident is still under investigation.


Can a mother's tender loving care cease towards the child she bears? sad


Never truly I think. Even if it is denied or put away, there's still a part of yourself in there that can never be replaced.
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Reply #7 posted 07/22/09 7:40am

dseann

NMuzakNSoul said:

dseann said:



Can a mother's tender loving care cease towards the child she bears? sad


Never truly I think. Even if it is denied or put away, there's still a part of yourself in there that can never be replaced.


It's the natural order of things anyway. No parent should have to bury their child. Should always be the other way around. Hope the daughter snaps out of her shit now or at least tries to get help for whatever's fucking her mind up.
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Reply #8 posted 07/22/09 9:19am

MIGUELGOMEZ

This is horrible.


I wonder what the girl was going through. I can't imagine that much psychological pain. I know people always say that people who kill themselves are selfish but I still feel for them.

Everybody loses in this case.
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Reply #9 posted 07/22/09 9:27am

NMuzakNSoul

dseann said:

NMuzakNSoul said:



Never truly I think. Even if it is denied or put away, there's still a part of yourself in there that can never be replaced.


It's the natural order of things anyway. No parent should have to bury their child. Should always be the other way around. Hope the daughter snaps out of her shit now or at least tries to get help for whatever's fucking her mind up.


Me too man, hope so. I mean, if this ain't a hell of a wake up call I don't know what is.
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Reply #10 posted 07/22/09 9:28am

kimrachell

so very sad! sad
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Reply #11 posted 07/22/09 10:30am

missfee

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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

This is horrible.


I wonder what the girl was going through. I can't imagine that much psychological pain. I know people always say that people who kill themselves are selfish but I still feel for them.

Everybody loses in this case.

I understand what you are saying, but even though this situation is sad and terrible in itself, the daughter's selfishness in wanting to commit suicide resulted in her mother being killed. Had she wanted to get help for whatever she was going through and not give up on life, her mother would still be alive. I know some people may disagree, but thats the truth. No we don't know what people go through, and some go through a whole hell of a lot, but in my view, giving up is the coward's way out. Its how you get through all of the mess that makes you stronger, not giving up.
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Reply #12 posted 07/22/09 10:44am

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Why are cops so quick to fire deadly shots anyway? what happen to shooting in the arm or leg just to disable the person with the gun? what happened to warning shots? this poor mom. disbelief and the poor daughter. not only did her suicide by cop attempt fail, her mother is dead which will most likely make her even more suicidal. sad rose
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Reply #13 posted 07/22/09 10:48am

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DesireeNevermind said:

Why are cops so quick to fire deadly shots anyway? what happen to shooting in the arm or leg just to disable the person with the gun? what happened to warning shots? this poor mom. disbelief and the poor daughter. not only did her suicide by cop attempt fail, her mother is dead which will most likely make her even more suicidal. sad rose

nod right. Now I can get what you are saying about the cop thing, he didn't have to shoot to KILL right at that moment. I'm thinking mom dukes got in the way of his firing....either way, if the daughter thought she was suicidal then, she should definitely be suicidal now. Thats why committing suicide isn't the way to go.
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Reply #14 posted 07/22/09 10:54am

NMuzakNSoul

Maybe, but you can also go from one extreme to the other. Like I said, it is a hell of a wake up call. If this won't wake her ass up and get real then nothing will. Sad.
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Reply #15 posted 07/22/09 10:57am

morningsong

That's so sad. Now, not only does this person have to deal with whatever it is that was eating them up inside, they have to live with how their actions resulted in their mother's death. They are going to need a lot of help, I hope they get it.
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Reply #16 posted 07/22/09 11:01am

SUPRMAN

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dseann said:

Graycap23 said:

Very sad.....
.Shortly before 9 p.m., a Gwinnett County police officer responded to a suicide attempt at a home in the 3000 block of Tracey Drive, police said.

“A mother called about her daughter,” police spokeswoman Cpl. Illana Spellman said. “The daughter made threats that she wanted police to kill her.”

While the officer and mother were talking, the daughter came downstairs holding a gun that she pointed at the officer, Spellman said.

Feeling threatened, the officer fired, Spellman said.

Both women were hit, police said.

The mother was killed.

The daughter was injured, and taken to a nearby hospital, police said.

“We don’t know if the mother stepped into the officer’s line of fire,” Spellman said.

Crime scene and shoot team investigators are on the scene to determine what happened, she said.

The incident is still under investigation.


Can a mother's tender loving care cease towards the child she bears? sad


Yes
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Reply #17 posted 07/22/09 11:03am

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And why get a cop to come and shoot you in your own home in front of your mom? What kind of crazy is that?
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Reply #18 posted 07/22/09 11:03am

Mach

SUPRMAN said:

dseann said:



Can a mother's tender loving care cease towards the child she bears? sad


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Indeed

I have watched for over 24 yrs now the total lack of it overall from our older kids biounitmom - she is cold, detached and distant with very little concern overall
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Reply #19 posted 07/22/09 11:03am

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DesireeNevermind said:

Why are cops so quick to fire deadly shots anyway? what happen to shooting in the arm or leg just to disable the person with the gun? what happened to warning shots? this poor mom. disbelief and the poor daughter. not only did her suicide by cop attempt fail, her mother is dead which will most likely make her even more suicidal. sad rose


The daughter, whom the cop was aiming at, was only wounded. So he was not shooting to kill. How the mother ended up being fatally shot sounds like she tried to shield her daughter.
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Reply #20 posted 07/22/09 11:12am

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SUPRMAN said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Why are cops so quick to fire deadly shots anyway? what happen to shooting in the arm or leg just to disable the person with the gun? what happened to warning shots? this poor mom. disbelief and the poor daughter. not only did her suicide by cop attempt fail, her mother is dead which will most likely make her even more suicidal. sad rose


The daughter, whom the cop was aiming at, was only wounded. So he was not shooting to kill. How the mother ended up being fatally shot sounds like she tried to shield her daughter.



Then perhaps she was pleading with both of them to not shoot? I think the cop used poor judgement. He should have maybe called for back up or should have coerced the mom into stepping out of the way. I mean the mom was the one who called the cops so I doubt she was expecting them to just starting shooting.
Just terrible.
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Reply #21 posted 07/22/09 12:05pm

RodeoSchro

DesireeNevermind said:

Why are cops so quick to fire deadly shots anyway? what happen to shooting in the arm or leg just to disable the person with the gun? what happened to warning shots? this poor mom. disbelief and the poor daughter. not only did her suicide by cop attempt fail, her mother is dead which will most likely make her even more suicidal. sad rose


I have a feeling that if you thought someone was about to try and shoot you dead, you wouldn't aim to wound.
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Reply #22 posted 07/22/09 12:57pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

missfee said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

This is horrible.


I wonder what the girl was going through. I can't imagine that much psychological pain. I know people always say that people who kill themselves are selfish but I still feel for them.

Everybody loses in this case.

I understand what you are saying, but even though this situation is sad and terrible in itself, the daughter's selfishness in wanting to commit suicide resulted in her mother being killed. Had she wanted to get help for whatever she was going through and not give up on life, her mother would still be alive. I know some people may disagree, but thats the truth. No we don't know what people go through, and some go through a whole hell of a lot, but in my view, giving up is the coward's way out. Its how you get through all of the mess that makes you stronger, not giving up.


I totally hear what you are saying. We all choose different ways to handle what we're going through. I choose to FEEL absolutely everything and not give up.
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Reply #23 posted 07/22/09 12:58pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

DesireeNevermind said:

SUPRMAN said:



The daughter, whom the cop was aiming at, was only wounded. So he was not shooting to kill. How the mother ended up being fatally shot sounds like she tried to shield her daughter.



Then perhaps she was pleading with both of them to not shoot? I think the cop used poor judgement. He should have maybe called for back up or should have coerced the mom into stepping out of the way. I mean the mom was the one who called the cops so I doubt she was expecting them to just starting shooting.
Just terrible.




Unfortunately, if the gun comes out. That's all the reason there is to shoot.
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Reply #24 posted 07/22/09 1:09pm

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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

DesireeNevermind said:




Then perhaps she was pleading with both of them to not shoot? I think the cop used poor judgement. He should have maybe called for back up or should have coerced the mom into stepping out of the way. I mean the mom was the one who called the cops so I doubt she was expecting them to just starting shooting.
Just terrible.




Unfortunately, if the gun comes out. That's all the reason there is to shoot.



well there's plenty instances where people are shot dead with no gun too. sad
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Reply #25 posted 07/22/09 1:52pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

DesireeNevermind said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:





Unfortunately, if the gun comes out. That's all the reason there is to shoot.



well there's plenty instances where people are shot dead with no gun too. sad




It's horrible isn't it.

What I hate to hear about is random shootings where a bullet goes through an apartment and hits an innocent person. Children especially. Ughh. This has been happening a lot in the the San Francisco bay area. It kills me.
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Reply #26 posted 07/22/09 1:59pm

Graycap23

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

DesireeNevermind said:




well there's plenty instances where people are shot dead with no gun too. sad




It's horrible isn't it.

What I hate to hear about is random shootings where a bullet goes through an apartment and hits an innocent person. Children especially. Ughh. This has been happening a lot in the the San Francisco bay area. It kills me.

This is a bit off the subject but I always wondered why fools shoot guns in the air. Don't they know the bullets have 2 come back down?
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Reply #27 posted 07/22/09 2:03pm

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Graycap23 said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:





It's horrible isn't it.

What I hate to hear about is random shootings where a bullet goes through an apartment and hits an innocent person. Children especially. Ughh. This has been happening a lot in the the San Francisco bay area. It kills me.

This is a bit off the subject but I always wondered why fools shoot guns in the air. Don't they know the bullets have 2 come back down?



for realz


gun possession should require an IQ test. LOL
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Reply #28 posted 07/22/09 2:17pm

morningsong

errr, wait a minute. Is that the title originally with the article?
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Reply #29 posted 07/22/09 2:22pm

Graycap23

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errr, wait a minute. Is that the title originally with the article?

No.....the daughter died later.....
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