Awww! Feel like crying

TonyVanDam said:

That's very true. MJ was just on the cusp of breaking away from his brothers. But they wanted to do one more tour. Katharine had such an influence on MJ, and he would do almost anything for her, including the tour. MJ HATED that Don King was in the mix as the promoter. It's why MJ got his own people to manage him and handle his money. It's also why he ended up giving his proceeds to charity. If there was any wrong doing, he wanted to dirty money in his pocket. Good move, I think.

The Victory Tour was almost called The Final Curtain, but they didn't want to emphasize the finality of them performing together. When the tour was over, MJ said to the last audience that it was the last time they would perform together, surprised to some of the brothers. You can exactly take back stuff you say live in front of 20,000 people.

I think Kate convinced MJ to do a lot of stuff he might not have thought the smartest move, but in the hindsight of it all, it seems to have worked out perfectly. Thriller came out when it was supposed to, the tour happened when it was supposed to, etc etc.

SoulAlive said:

This may come as a shock to most of you, but Michael's own mother Katherine was THE only reason why he even agree to do the Victory album AND tour with his brothers. Katherine was far more successful in convincing Michael to reunite with his brothers "for the good of the family".

TonyVanDam said:

Yep. I've known about that for awhile. He wanted take time off and work on films. He had also wrote a play for broadway called "Street Dandy". He had already started writing for Bad a couple of months after Thriller came out. (He had written Dirty Diana and Liberian Girl in '83 and the original versions of The Way You Make Me Feel, Smooth Criminal, Speed Demon, and Bad around 1984 and 1985

The Jacksons perform "Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)" as Michael announces that this would be their last tour together on December 9, 1984 in front of 60,000 people at Dodgers Stadium in LA. It was their 6th consecutive sell out at Dodgers Stadium during the Victory Tour.

bboy87 said:

Yes, I heard that Liberian Girl was originally titled Pyramid Girl and was supposed to be on the Victory album in 1984. Michael reworked it and it ended up on Bad.

TonyVanDam said:

That's very true. MJ was just on the cusp of breaking away from his brothers. But they wanted to do one more tour. Katharine had such an influence on MJ, and he would do almost anything for her, including the tour. MJ HATED that Don King was in the mix as the promoter. It's why MJ got his own people to manage him and handle his money. It's also why he ended up giving his proceeds to charity. If there was any wrong doing, he wanted to dirty money in his pocket. Good move, I think.

The Victory Tour was almost called The Final Curtain, but they didn't want to emphasize the finality of them performing together. When the tour was over, MJ said to the last audience that it was the last time they would perform together, surprised to some of the brothers. You can exactly take back stuff you say live in front of 20,000 people.

I think Kate convinced MJ to do a lot of stuff he might not have thought the smartest move, but in the hindsight of it all, it seems to have worked out perfectly. Thriller came out when it was supposed to, the tour happened when it was supposed to, etc etc.

suga10 said:

I agree. Sadly, Body Dysmorphic Disorder is becoming more and more prevalent nowadays...especially with breast implants (the bigger the better to some; for me the bigger the grosser ) Michael had it bad and I agree with you that it was probably due to this incident, but his family didn't help any by calling him big nose for years prior to this terrible accident and he also had really bad acne too. All of these factors, constant public scrutiny, issues with self-esteem, and loads of money helped in making his BDD even worse in my opinion, but sadly he's just one of many cases out there. There's that woman, Sarah Burge, who has spent over $200,000 on plastic surgery just to look like Barbie...which I don't believe she does, but that's just my eyes. She's even had two body lifts, which I had never heard of before. Her plastic surgeons had warned her both times that she could die, but she insisted and is still very much alive and the mother to 3 children. Joan Rivers needs to stop to, but out of all those people doing it, nobody bets this woman:

Jocelyn Wildenstein


She is the poster child for BDD, hands down. It's sad, because there was never anything wrong with her face...she was beautiful before all the surgeries. She needs a therapist more than a plastic surgeon and it's sad that these 'Doctors' don't seem to understand that they took an oath to help people...this isn't helping them at all.

Some information regarding skin grafting:
-the area where the skin was removed will have scaring also
-whether it will grow hair will be dependent on where the donor section was taken from
-the thighs are an usual section chosen for donor

Given this information, he did probably where a "wig". In fact, if you look at pics/videos of the Bad era, you can see an unnatural look along the sides.

It was a stage accident. Calm down there folks. This happened in 1984--a long time ago.

2freaky4church1 said:

With a bit of luck, something equally as horrible will happen to you or yours real soon.

Don't forget to let us know just so i can say how "sorry" i am.

suga10 said:

I agree. Sadly, Body Dysmorphic Disorder is becoming more and more prevalent nowadays...especially with breast implants (the bigger the better to some; for me the bigger the grosser ) Michael had it bad and I agree with you that it was probably due to this incident, but his family didn't help any by calling him big nose for years prior to this terrible accident and he also had really bad acne too. All of these factors, constant public scrutiny, issues with self-esteem, and loads of money helped in making his BDD even worse in my opinion, but sadly he's just one of many cases out there. There's that woman, Sarah Burge, who has spent over $200,000 on plastic surgery just to look like Barbie...which I don't believe she does, but that's just my eyes. She's even had two body lifts, which I had never heard of before. Her plastic surgeons had warned her both times that she could die, but she insisted and is still very much alive and the mother to 3 children. Joan Rivers needs to stop to, but out of all those people doing it, nobody bets this woman:

Jocelyn Wildenstein


She is the poster child for BDD, hands down. It's sad, because there was never anything wrong with her face...she was beautiful before all the surgeries. She needs a therapist more than a plastic surgeon and it's sad that these 'Doctors' don't seem to understand that they took an oath to help people...this isn't helping them at all.

I agree. Sadly, Body Dysmorphic Disorder is becoming more and more prevalent nowadays...especially with breast implants (the bigger the better to some; for me the bigger the grosser ) Michael had it bad and I agree with you that it was probably due to this incident, but his family didn't help any by calling him big nose for years prior to this terrible accident and he also had really bad acne too. All of these factors, constant public scrutiny, issues with self-esteem, and loads of money helped in making his BDD even worse in my opinion, but sadly he's just one of many cases out there. There's that woman, Sarah Burge, who has spent over $200,000 on plastic surgery just to look like Barbie...which I don't believe she does, but that's just my eyes. She's even had two body lifts, which I had never heard of before. Her plastic surgeons had warned her both times that she could die, but she insisted and is still very much alive and the mother to 3 children. Joan Rivers needs to stop to, but out of all those people doing it, nobody bets this woman:

Jocelyn Wildenstein


She is the poster child for BDD, hands down. It's sad, because there was never anything wrong with her face...she was beautiful before all the surgeries. She needs a therapist more than a plastic surgeon and it's sad that these 'Doctors' don't seem to understand that they took an oath to help people...this isn't helping them at all.

Jocelyn Wildenstein
Eeeek ipecac!!

As for the body lift mentioned apparently Demi Moore has had it done as well. It's a disgusting and excruciating procedure and it is as the title states, being sliced around the midriff area, excess is stretched out, cut away and thrown away like chickenfeed. Similar concept to a tummy tuck but involves the entire lower half of the body being pulled up and sliced off.

The woman who wanted to look like Barbie, Sarah Burge hasn't spent quite as much, ans looks a tad more normal:

ernestsewell said:

Oh wow! I actually like the results.

Cinnie said:

I don't see much difference at all.

If you've had good plastic surgery... the new shapes and contours should appear natural

PanthaGirl said:

Jocelyn has spent over $4,000,000 on plastic surgery. One of the names she's been called is the Cat Woman of NYC. She was named one of the most scariest celebrities by a British magazine as well.

The woman who wanted to look like Barbie, Sarah Burge hasn't spent quite as much, ans looks a tad more normal:

Jocelyn has spent over $4,000,000 on plastic surgery. One of the names she's been called is the Cat Woman of NYC. She was named one of the most scariest celebrities by a British magazine as well.

errant said:

Several media outlets reported that the kid who charged Michael with molesting him on his second trial said that he lied about the whole thing because his father told him to. It was a rumour for a while, but I've heard it from several different media outlets...many not tabloid-based...even heard it on the radio. Since TMZ was the first to report that Michael had passed, I'm hesitant in disagreeing with tabloids nowadays because they pay alot of people good money to find out what's going on. Some of them probably have Satan on their payrolls.