But if the entire point was to attract men, we wouldn't have to put much thought into a "look" at all - we'd just make sure our tits were always out & our asses were always showing But most of us (you included, dammit!) know it's about more than that. Yea, we wanna look good to them, but first & foremost we wanna look good, period

People can't seriously be saying that women do not do things to impress men?

Women in general are definitely doing things to impress other women when it comes to material shit, but overall most things women do in terms of appearance is to attract men and be better than their competition.

But if the entire point was to attract men, we wouldn't have to put much thought into a "look" at all - we'd just make sure our tits were always out & our asses were always showing But most of us (you included, dammit!) know it's about more than that. Yea, we wanna look good to them, but first & foremost we wanna look good, period

But I think it ties in to what kind of person you want to be attractive to. I have never dated a girl like you describe who dresses very slutty (though that does get my attention, I admit it).

So if a girl wants anything other than a double take from me she should be more conservative.

A better example is people who dress very punk. It's not the normal standard of beauty, but they attract other people with mowhawks, piercings, tattoos, etc.

I didn't say it was the entire point. I did say that women dress for other women as well. And if it was not so called morally shameful to have your tits and ass always showing - women would do that too! We pretty much do that now anyway.

ALL TRUE! Although I think I'd still hide my tatas even if it was deemed tasteful to have them out, I'm modest

That's what I mean though - it has to be about personal style for most people. You're not gonna catch someone wearing short skirts & tank tops all the time if she herself doesn't like that look also. Now maybe the short skirt girl learned early on that wearing that would get her more attention from men (duh!) so she's made it part of her permanent repertoire. But I do think most people wear what they like & hope someone finds them attractive in it

Please.

You think men do things like spend tens of thousands of dollars on tacky, overpriced cars... ride loud motorcycles... buy gigantic houses and all sorts of toys they can barely afford... lose their shirts in risky investments... wear all designer clothes or baggy gear, grills and $100+ sneakers... brag, spit and/or curse in public... join frats, country clubs and gangs... try to assert their alpha maleness throughout life to the point they wind up emotionally isolated, sick, dead or in jail... instigate wars... devote themselves to pointless sports... or practically live in gyms with other sweaty, half-naked men trying to get musclebound to attract women? Think again.
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