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PrintableI'm not suicidal but I did cry.....and if you've never cried for someobdy else simply because you haven't met them personally, then you wouldn't understand....(and I dont want to waste time educating anybody) Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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Claire73 said: 7 people worldwide have now committed suicide over the death of MJ
 and that are the ones that have been reported to be linked how many more out there have done it and not been publically linked i know a few people have tried and ended up being saved by friends and family around them i should think more will go in the weeks to follow i kinda wonder if that is why the last section of the Jackson statement was about how the fans had to continue the legacy. We miss Michael endlessly, our pain cannot be described in words. But Michael would not want us to give up now. So we want to thank all of his faithful supporters and loyal fans worldwide, you – who Michael loved so much. Please do not despair, because Michael will continue to live on in each and every one of you. Continue to spread his message, because that is what he would want you to do. Carry on, so his legacy will live forever.
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StillGotIt said: I'm not suicidal but I did cry.....and if you've never cried for someobdy else simply because you haven't met them personally, then you wouldn't understand....(and I dont want to waste time educating anybody)
U could've simply said 'not everyone's the same and some ppl are more sympathetic and empathetic than others'. Not much time...  I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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CalhounSq said: vainandy said:  DUDE, you know I've been holding in my Dove Lady jokes, right??! Hey, I only said I was going to be respectful of Michael himself during this time. I never said anything about being respectful of those loony toons out there. That bitch was already crazy as hell but I bet she's climbing the walls in a rubber room right about now. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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lazycrockett said: CalhounSq said: DUDE, you know I've been holding in my Dove Lady jokes, right??! I'm seriously hoping she's going to make an appearance at the funeral. For all the craziness she stole my heart. How could you NOT love:  As crazy as she is, you know she definately loves him probably more than his own family does so I'd like to see her there. It would definately add some humor to make folks feel better.Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Lammastide said: heartbeatocean said: I would go even further to say that these idols actually become us. It's more than projecting ourselves onto them, but they get projected into us. That's why I feel like this death is a part of myself dying. And I'm trying to not be melodramatic when I say this, it's just how I feel. Maybe you have to be in a child state to feel so formed by it. 
In the loss, isn't it awesome what he leaves behind, though? What blessing, eh?! That's a good way of looking at it I guess | |
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johnart said: Also maybe some of the extreme reaction (not suicide attempts) has to not only do with the loss of the childhood/youth idol but what it says about our own journey/mortality.
There's a lot,I think, we do as human beings that has to do with our own selves that we reflect on other people/events. yes, for all my spiritual work with ideas of non-attachment and impermanence, this event brought home my own mortality in a way I hadn't experienced before | |
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Lammastide said: japanrocks said: I think we’ll see that his death will be as weird as his life was. The farce is starting. The investigation into his untimely death. The huge debts and profligate spending. The concerts he did in the MIddle East for seven figures in cash each (no one semes to know where that money is). The alleged sexual molestation of several children. Botched plastic surgeries. I could go on.
More details are bound to be revealed. There’s going to be a huge money grab over the estate or what’s left of it that will take years to play out. The weirdest part of this tragedy is the fetishing and extreme lionizing of Mr. Jackson. Some of the comments I’ve read on the blogs are downright loony. One would think that Mozart and Christ died on the same day. H.L. Mencken once said, “the common man is a fool”. Many out there are determined to prove him right. We need comedians to step up and point out the hypocracy in this cult of personality adoration that seems to have gone out of control for this talented yet ultimately troubled man. Hate to say it, but this is a comedic gold mine. The Christ comparison is a pretty standard reductio ad absurdum. It might be justified except that I don't see a similar level of veneration, save from a very sick few. There's nothing wrong with having a hero. The Mozart comparison is rather more intriguing. Why wouldn't/shouldn't Michael Jackson be put alongside Mozart? Comparative talents notwithstanding, has he meant any less to his fans than Mozart did to his? Has he been any less influential to his contemporaries or to the state of the popular music of his time? Folk likely do overvalue certain people in their death, but we almost certainly undervalue them in their lives (or at least we miss the value of what they centrally present for attention to their "incidentals"). Moreover, we have a silly bias for aggrandizing or romanticizing people/places/things that existed remotely. So our own Michael Jackson was every bit as odd and troubled as he was a musical prodigy. Mozart of the 1700s, in all his genius, was also reportedly a slight, mousy-voiced, funny-looking, vain, wildly extravagant child prodigy with moderate to severe depression, perhaps a now diagnosable personality disorder, a propensity to engage in annoying mischief, work up debt and show a potty mouth.  ...And?
If only perfect folk were remembered as heroes, we'd have no heroes. I am just eating up your brilliant commentary this morning. Thank you. I will interject two things: That Michael Jackson had a much more GLOBAL presence than Mozart could ever have achieved without the magnifying glass of the media. Whether MJ will thrive to span centuries as Mozart has done -- 
Secondly, my rather dramatic response to this event comes out of undervaluing MJ when he was alive -- and then realizing the value post-mortem. If my grief weren't real, I wouldn't be bothered with it. | |
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lazycrockett said: Claire73 said: 7 people worldwide have now committed suicide over the death of MJ
If they are that mental, then the world is better off. 
Ah, how the internet will never fail to remind me of the lack of compassion in so many human hearts. [Edited 6/29/09 9:21am] | |
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JayJai said: StillGotIt said: I'm not suicidal but I did cry.....and if you've never cried for someobdy else simply because you haven't met them personally, then you wouldn't understand....(and I dont want to waste time educating anybody)
U could've simply said 'not everyone's the same and some ppl are more sympathetic and empathetic than others'. Not much time... yea...I could have...but I didn't because it doesnt mean the same thing..... Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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heartbeatocean said: lazycrockett said: If they are that mental, then the world is better off.
Ah, how the internet will never fail to remind me of the lack of compassion in so many human hearts. [Edited 6/29/09 9:21am] Its sad the things people say....nobody knows what capacity the persons who killed themselves possessed. Would there be any sympathy is one had downs syndrome and couldn't process the grief. People type up all kinds of stuff on the internet but often wouldn't dare have the stuff come out of their mouths in person..... Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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It's perplexing to see how any human being on this planet thinks they are feeling anything more then Katherine. | |
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StillGotIt said: heartbeatocean said:
Ah, how the internet will never fail to remind me of the lack of compassion in so many human hearts. [Edited 6/29/09 9:21am] Its sad the things people say....nobody knows what capacity the persons who killed themselves possessed. Would there be any sympathy is one had downs syndrome and couldn't process the grief. People type up all kinds of stuff on the internet but often wouldn't dare have the stuff come out of their mouths in person..... It's disgusting. There are all kinds of people who could be considered "mental" according to lazycrockett standards and to say the world is better off without them? wtf Maybe the world would better off without lazycrockett according to someone else's standards wtf | |
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apparently its up to at least 12 now and its most likely to keep going up With Love there is no Death | |
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Timmy84 said: Michael Jackson is looking down shaking his head. THIS is the thanks he gets!?
 Yeah, I know  | |
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