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Only Canadian man aboard missing Air France flight had 'great life': Family
at 15:47 on June 2, 2009, EDT. By THE CANADIAN PRESS 
This aerial view shows the archipelago of Fernando de Noronha, northeast of Brazil, Tuesday, June 2, 2009. Brazilian military pilots spotted an airplane seat, an orange buoy, and other debris and signs of fuel in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean as they hunted for a missing Air France jet that carried 228 people. The pilots spotted two areas of floating debris, but no signs of life, about 60 kilometers, 35 miles, apart, about 410 miles, 650 kilometers, beyond the Brazilian archipelago of Fernando de Noronha, near Flight 447's path from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, said Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS/Eraldo Peres GUELPH, Ont. - Norene Clemes hasn't seen her jet-setting son as often as a mother would like during the past 14 years. But now, as she awaits official word that Canadian Brad Clemes perished with more than 200 others when Air France Flight 447 vanished Monday over the Atlantic Ocean, she's holding dear to her heart their last visit several weeks ago. "It was one of the few times that I had a one-on-one with him for any length of time, it was really very special, actually," said Clemes when reached at her Guelph, Ont., home. "I said to him, 'How many times have we, in the last few years, been alone - actually alone - together?' So it was very special." Brad Clemes, 49, was born and raised in the southwestern Ontario city but moved abroad with his family in the mid-1990s. He's believed to be the only Canadian flying with 228 people on an Airbus A330 that disappeared en route to Paris from Brazil. Brazilian military pilots conducting a search spotted an airplane seat, a life jacket, metallic debris and signs of fuel in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on Tuesday, but found no signs of life. Family members of the married father of two sons in their 20s are focusing on the good times as they come to grips with the fact their loved one may never be found. "He's one of these people that never sits still, go-go-go, very energetic," Norene Clemes said, adding he was a well-liked, intelligent individual. "He wanted to live in Europe because he wanted to have his two sons grow up and know the whole world." Clemes earned a business degree from Wilfrid Laurier University in Waterloo, Ont., and a Masters degree at York University in Toronto. He worked in Toronto in the early 1990s before moving abroad to become a marketing manager for Coca-Cola in South Africa. He also worked in Eurasia and the Middle East before eventually settling in Brussels with his wife, Anne. Air France and Coca-Cola have confirmed Clemes, a more than 21-year employee, was on board the missing plane. His last visit to Canada occurred several weeks ago, when he paid a brief visit to his hometown during a business trip to the beverage industry giant's Atlanta-based head office, his mother said. "I wondered if he'd ever wind down, I never saw him sit down and rest," she said. When his eldest brother Blake Clemes, 55, closes his eyes, he fondly pictures "just him laughing and smiling, that's the kind of personality he was," he said. His favourite memories include golfing with Brad and his other two brothers all across North America and other parts of the world, including a recent round in Scotland. "We're a very close family, always yucked it up a lot and always trying to make each other laugh and have a good time," he said. Although an avid world traveller, the man always had a special place in his heart for Canada, his brother said. "(He and his sons) still, even though they've lived all over the world, they still see themselves as truly Canadian," he said. "(It was) a great life he had." Clemes was a champion gymnast during his youth who belonged to the first Canadian team to compete in Poland, his brother added. He also proudly held the title of youngest flag bearer for Canada during an international meet in Toronto. Blake said another of his brothers - there are six siblings total - has flown to be with Brad's wife overseas, where they'll attend a memorial for all the missing people in Paris taking place in the next few days. Then the family will return home to mourn together, likely holding their own service in his honour. Among the plane's 216 passengers were 61 French citizens, 58 Brazilians, 26 Germans, nine Chinese and nine Italians. A lesser number of citizens from 27 other countries were also on the passenger list, including two Americans. Among the devastating losses were ten salesmen for France-based CGED, an electrical distributor, who were on the plane with their spouses after winning a vacation to Brazil. Air France said 11 of the 12 crew members were French. The flight captain, 58, joined the company in 1988 and had 11,000 flight hours, including 1,700 on aircraft of the same type as the passenger jet that disappeared. The two co-pilots were 37 and 32 and had over 9,000 flight hours between them. - By Tamsyn Burgmann in Toronto, with files from the Associated Press ©The Canadian Press, 2009  
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moderatorThis story is unbelievable. Vanishing into the ocean  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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PanthaGirl said: wildgoldenhoney said: That is sad.
So, the spot where they crashed is sort of like a bermuda triangle type of place? Remind me of my dream last night, I was falling from the sky and woke up when I hit the ground. . [Edited 6/1/09 15:26pm] Not at all there is so superstition here it is impossible to know the precise location of the aircraft in such a large body of water. The impact alone would have smashed the plane into pieces. Air traffic control lost contact prior to acknowledgment of aircraft location. I thought that the Bermuda Triangle locations affect on vessels was explained scientifically? The reason for them losing control because of abnormal electromagnetic storms that occur in the area. But don't remember how true or not that is, heard it a long time ago. | |
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Such a sad story. | |
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those poor souls  | |
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thats so devasting- it's something you dare not think about when going on vacation- now thats the only thing on my mind LOVE HARD. | |
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2 Girls from Hamburg were on this flight as well. May all rest in peace | |
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4 travelers missed doomed Air France Flight 447
By GREG KELLER – 36 minutes ago PARIS (AP) — A reservation mix-up, an overbooking and a Brazilian cabbie's passion for soccer are all that separated some would-be passengers on Air France flight 447 from the fate of 228 others who lost their lives in the mid-Atlantic. The survivors say their relief is overshadowed by the immense sense of loss they feel for those who didn't make it. "It feels miraculous and sad at the same time," said Amina Benouargha-Jaffiol, who tried to get on the flight Sunday night, even enlisting a diplomat friend to try to pressure Air France to let her and her husband on. "Of course, at some level we feel lucky, but we also feel an enormous sadness for all those who perished," she said. For some it was a simple matter of arriving at Rio's airport late; for Andrej Aplinc, it was because he got there early. The 39-year-old Slovenian sailor and father of two was spared because his cab driver was in a hurry to see a soccer match. With time to spare at the airport, Aplinc, who was supposed to take Flight 447, learned there was no seat on the plane with enough legroom for him to stretch out his bum knee. But since he'd arrived early, he was able to board an earlier 4 p.m. Air France flight, which did have a roomy seat. "It was such huge luck that I flew with that earlier plane," Aplinc said from his home in Radelj Ob Dravi in northeastern Slovenia. Gustavo Ciriaco was scheduled to be on that 4 p.m. flight. But he arrived late at the check-in and was told airline agents could not find his seat and the gate was about to close. The 39-year-old Brazilian choreographer and dancer was on his way to Europe for two weeks of rehearsals for his next ballet, and had a connecting flight to catch in Paris. Ciriaco pleaded to be let him on the plane, and finally the airline discovered the seating error and relented. If the reservation mix-up hadn't been resolved, "I would have tried to take the following flight because I would have arrived in Paris with enough time to catch my connection," Ciriaco said. The next flight? Air France 447. "Survivors" like these often need psychological counseling, said Guillaume Denoix de Saint-Marc, whose father was among the 170 people killed in 1989 when Libyan terrorists downed UTA Flight 772 with a suitcase bomb. He now heads an association that helps victims of airline disasters. "They can have big psychological problems. We meet a lot of people like that," said Denoix de Saint-Marc, who was asked by French authorities to counsel relatives of the victims of Flight 447 at a crisis center at Paris' airport. In the case of UTA flight 772, some of the pilots and cabin crew who had flown the French DC-10 jetliner before handing it over to the doomed crew "couldn't resume their careers," Denoix de Saint-Marc said. "They lost their flying licenses because of big psychological problems or alcoholism," he said. Such traumas have a name: "Survivors' syndrome," seen often in combat and other crisis situations in which those who make it feel as though they fled, deserted their buddies or were cowardly, said psychiatrist Ronan Orio. But being saved by the ticket counter, traffic or other caprices of life should not be considered traumatic, said Orio, who has worked with victims of hostage situations, terror attacks and airline crashes. Instead, near-miss situations should be viewed in a positive light, he said. "People who take a plane and have a second chance win the lotto. They have the right to continue where the others died," he said. Benouargha-Jaffiol and her husband Claude Jaffiol got a second chance last Sunday. The couple, who live in Montpellier, France, had pulled strings to try to get on Flight 447, even drafting a family friend, a Dutch diplomat, to phone Air France and try to get them seats on the overcrowded plane. "My husband demanded that Air France put us on that flight," Benouargha-Jaffiol said. "But nothing doing, the flight was totally full." She and her husband finally left the airport, returning Monday after the disaster. "This type of tragedy should give us all a lesson in humility and humanism," she said. "No one lives forever. We often forget that." "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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The ‘Coffin Corner’ and a ‘Mesoscale’ Maw
The Air France 447 mystery may never be solved beyond a shadow of doubt, but there are some telling, tragic clues to consider based on what we know about the airplane systems and the extreme weather and aerodynamic conditions it encountered before it went down a week ago. First, a bit of aerodynamics: The doomed Airbus A-330-200 was flying ever so close to its maximum altitude – in a zone pilots call the “Coffin Corner”. It refers to the edge of so-called “flight envelope” of an aircraft. At this altitude, the air is much thinner and that significantly narrows the swath of speed at which the airplane can safely operate. Because there are relatively few air molecules passing over the wings, they need to be moving faster to generate enough lift to keep the plane at altitude. They will stop flying (stall) at a much higher speed (true airspeed) than they would on approach to an airport at sea level. At the other end of the safe speed spectrum is the sound barrier. The wings on an airliner like the A-330 are not designed to break the speed of sound. Venture toward Chuck Yeager country and an airliner will begin buffeting. And as altitude increases, the buffet speed (the sound barrier) decreases (once again the dearth of air molecules is to blame). The flight envelope So you see the squeeze play as a plane flies toward the Coffin Corner: the margin between the between the high and low speed limits gets thinner and thinner (along with the air). Matter of fact, given its estimated weight, altitude and the outside air temperature (which also affects air density), AF 447 was flying through the eye of a speed needle only about 25 knots (28 mph) wide. And one more important point: as jet engines fly higher, they steadily lose their oomph (you know, thin air). Matter of fact, the maximum altitude a plane can safely fly is partially determined by the point where the engines can no longer maintain a minimum rate of climb. In other words, you are supposed to level off just before they go into “Scottie” mode (“No more power, Captain!”). read more http://trueslant.com/mile...scale-maw/ | |
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