excessive and irresponsible

Mozorro said:

irresponsible is dragging kids into it. she didn't.

cborgman said:

what?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

irresponsible is not getting some f*cking pills from planned parenthood.

Mozorro said:

either way the result is the same, no kids

Some one should teach her about the birds and the bees.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

pills require a prescription

abortions require invasive surgery, physical damage, and doctors bills

like slicing an apple with a knife or a hacksaw - result is same

Mozorro said:

You're the one who brought in "responsibility". From that standpoint, she did the responsible thing by not dragging kids into her life.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

atleast we agree on the truely important matters.

Shorty said:

if i have to explain it, there's probably not much point in doing so

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

except at the sperm banks where they house all the good looking smart sperm. ah but wait...i dig the twig and berries too much to chop it off. I just want it snipped a bit so there will be no more unwanted pregnancies and moronic women out there getting abortions like they're getting their hair and nails done. i still think either this thread is bull shit or we're talking about a retarded sex slave.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

If she doesn't want to be pregnant then she should be on birth control or keep her legs closed. It's that simple.

missfee said:

i can't imagine somebody fuckin up 4 times in a row. that means she must never ever use birth control cuz you don't always get pregnant each time you have sex. if she's a real girl, she must have been the to the clinic for more than an abortion. but ur right...keeping the legs closed is another option. maybe she a nympho?

cborgman said:

you're right, it is moronic!

kimrachell said:

some states have even created laws to block single folks from adopting/fostering because they are worried gay folks will just say they are straight and single.

idiots.

cborgman said:

think they have age and income restrictions too. I personnaly think its a conspiracy to keep kids in the system, some sick form of government waste.

DesireeNevermind said:

I don't think that's it. I think it's more that so called Christians don't give a fuck about Children and this is a way to hurt gays and kids. A perfect combo.

GaryTheNoTrashCougar said:

Yes, it's excessive. Abortion, (minor surgery) shouldn't be confused with birth control. I'd say the same of a person who had 4 face lifts in the same time period.

It makes no sense when there are so many accessible and affordable alternatives.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Christians don't run the foster care system - the government does. And lets not lump all Christians into one big bad wolf category. I know Christians who are gay, straight, young, old, rich, poor, immigrant and so on. I just think the system is run by a bunch of bureaucrats and like Child Protective Services, they are overwhelmed, ill trained and misusing whatever funding or tax revenue they get to run the system.

I know restrictions vary by state from being overly strict to no rules at all and that's why there's so much room for abuse. Plus, there's plenty of kids in foster care who are minority or have special needs or have birth parents who claim to want them back so that's more red tape and drama to deal with. Shit its easier to adopt a dog than a kid.

cborgman said:

whatever. if you read exactly what I was saying and referring to there's no need for disbelief. It's a perfectly rational normal option and saying so is no different.

people complain about abortions but they don't complain about all these damn erectile dysfunction get yo hard on commercials. I swear I see at least 3 every gat dayum day. abortions only happen in the first place cuz dudes can't control their loads. wrap that shit up twice and bingo, no baby!

I don't believe in abortion, but I respect a woman's choice. Having said that, I think 4 abortions is excessive even for a whole lifetime, let alone 1 year.

I think this speaks to the woman in question's overall sense of responsibility (none).

"you need another lover like you need a hole in yo head"

DesireeNevermind said:

Uh, no.

Unwanted pregnancies happen when two people are irresponsible. And guess what? If you wrap it up twice, the damned condoms won't work. Two condoms is a surefire way to HAVE a kid.

Terrible. This is the only case in which I disagree with abortion.

Let's just put it this way: no one would really say they're PRO-abortion.

Pro-Choice is one thing (which sometimes results in abortion), but the procedure itself is not really a lifetime goal or celebration for anyone. Seriously.

Anyone who has 4 in one year is beyond irresponsible. This raises all sorts of other questions too, such as "are the men all different" -- the point of that being the man is obviously having unprotected sex.

Wrap it up or don't do it.

meow85 said:

I had sex using two condoms...so I don't know where you get surefire way to have a kid from. It only takes one to be intentionally irresponsible. For all we know these guys or guy, assuming the story is legit, used condoms and believed this woman if she said she was on the pill, IUD/diaphragm or whatever. This is one scenario where I have sympathy for guys because condoms, vasectomy and the ill reliable pull out method are their only forms of birth control aside from not having sex at all. The woman clearly has more options and if she decides not to exercise any of them, then she is more irresponsible than the guy who is using his limited resources. What's a guy to do, force birth control on his female partner? We can only be responsible for ourselves and hope the other person cares enuf to do the right thing.

DesireeNevermind said:

If it takes two people to make a baby, then it takes the cooperation of both people NOT to have a baby. End of story. It is not solely the man's or solely the woman's job.

Why would you have sex with two condoms? That's such a dangerous thing to do.

meow85 said:

Bottom to the top....had sex with two condoms cuz it was a one night stand and I didn't trust his condoms-especially since he already had like 4 kids! I was not on the pill and not trusting this guy but finding him sexually irresistible i figured what the heck double bag it. he didn't care oddly enuf.

Of course it takes two people to make a baby being that neither or only one is using protection. Now if the guy is the one being responsible for birth control, why assume he is not cooperating. What else can he do besides not have sex in order to prevent pregnancy? I'm sorry but there are plenty of irresponsible women out there...maybe they want to get pregnant even though they know the man doesn't who knows. All I'm saying is that there are more birth control choices for women than there are men (I wish men had more choices) and if the guy did everything in his power to prevent pregnancy but the chick didn't, then I blame her for the end result. Some people in some situations do hold most of the cards. Just the way it is. And further, if the woman gets pregnant,,,its her decision whether or not to terminate or carry the pregnancy to term. The guy gets no say so...I don't think that's exactly fair either.

DesireeNevermind said:

People should be more careful about who they fuck, then. I have never had sex without being on the pill AND using the condom, and have flat out turned down guys who didn't want to wear one.

But wearing two condoms, no matter the circumstances, really is a bad idea. The extra friction can cause them to break down during intercourse so the sperm gets through anyway, or it can cause them both to slip off inside the woman. Using two condoms at a time is about as effective for birth control as the rhythm method is. You got lucky.