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Printableshanti0608 said: The crate was also a great house breaking tool for Dylan. Trained in 4 days at 8 weeks old.
Most healthy dogs (unless pound pups) will not pee or poo in their dens or beds. I just walked Uzie when she needed it. She peed indoors ONCE and that was because I wasn't quick enough in going out. She was in a kennel at the breeder's for two months after being separated from her mother at 8 weeks but there was no problem. I don't know of very many people here who's had problems with housebreaking their dogs, we all just walk them as often as needed.  | |
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Our dog crate has an attachable water bowl. We use it. Also, we don't put food in there because we only feed our doggie twice a day, according to directions on his dog food. We give the recommended amount. And we give him treats to train him.
It's not so much about house breaking, it's more about him getting into stuff, but for sure house breaking is an issue, too, for a puppy. It costs us $15 dollars a day to pay a pet sitter to come let him out. Some charge more, but we got a deal because she is also a friend, starting a little side business. She only comes in once a day because one of us will be home.. me usually if not my husband. She plays with him, too. Then puts him back in the crate. To me it's more like a little play pen. We put a towel in their for him to sleep. He likes towels.. you know big fluffy towels. We also put a chew toy.. It is one where you can put treats inside, so there is some food, just not a bowel of food. (There was a time when we were afraid of him choking on food because he was so small!) The crate we have is black. It's not all wooden. Those seem like they are very dark. We were recommended to crate train our puppy by the adoption group. Of course, I also mentioned my friend whose Yorkie is crate-trained. Her crate is even smaller than our crate for our puppy! We have not had any problems with crate-training him at all. Maybe he was used to it because the adoption group used crates? I am not a dog expert, so I really do not know what is best. This is the first dog we have ever had, and I didn't have many growing up. I just think there are so many doggies and kitties needing a home. I understand if people don't have the resources to pay someone to come in. But at least they have a safe place for the dog. And play with him, taking care of him with food, water, and shelter. If they have to use a crate while at work, well this might be an option. From what I was told, dogs don't mind crates. My friend flies all the way to Europe on a plane with her dog. He is in a crate for that long,but sometimes she takes him out on the plane. They let her. He doesn't potty though. There's nowhere for him to potty. So I guess he's ok. I am not sure about crates. I only know from my experience with them, and so far so good. But I think people do the best they can. It's very difficult to stay at home all day even with children must less animals. So, if nobody would adopt a dog until they could stay at home all day to let him/her out, then there would be even more unadopted. I think crates serve a purpose to protect the animal, too. My puppy has never torn anything up. He doesn't get into bad situations when we aren't there. So... I dunno. [Edited 3/18/09 5:45am] | |
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Teacher said: shanti0608 said: He does not have food in there because one of us is always home for his twice a day feedings. He is currently in the giant one. http://www.petplanet.co.u...ept_id=149 This pic is a photo of his first night at our house. He slept in this crate on his two hour drive home from the breeder. Took himself off to bed, all by himself that night. He was sound asleep in there until I woke him with the camera taking his pic.  And this is the same crate that you have now? Oh yeah, it's huge. Not. When Uzie sleeps stretched out on her side she's about 1 m (39,3 ") long. The huge dog crates I found on that site are about 120 (approx 44") cm's long, the longest/deepest is 127 cm's. I can honestly not believe that any sensible person thinks this is ok. I just can't and that's all I have to say about it. No its not the same crate he has now. Jen, people have different opinions on this and in fact dog trainers all over the world WITH SHIT LOADS MORE EXPERIENCE that you have differing opinions and ideas on training. Guess what? Just because you wouldn't do it that does not make it wrong or cruel. Personally speaking i would not have a dog without a garden and yet you feel that is ok, do you see me being condescending or talking down to you? One of these days you will learn that the world is bigger than your opinions. | |
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Teacher said: shanti0608 said: The crate was also a great house breaking tool for Dylan. Trained in 4 days at 8 weeks old.
Most healthy dogs (unless pound pups) will not pee or poo in their dens or beds. I just walked Uzie when she needed it. She peed indoors ONCE and that was because I wasn't quick enough in going out. She was in a kennel at the breeder's for two months after being separated from her mother at 8 weeks but there was no problem. I don't know of very many people here who's had problems with housebreaking their dogs, we all just walk them as often as needed. Then your experience is limited | |
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lascantas said: Our dog crate has an attachable water bowl. We use it. Also, we don't put food in there because we only feed our doggie twice a day, according to directions on his dog food. We give the recommended amount. And we give him treats to train him.
It's not so much about house breaking, it's more about him getting into stuff, but for sure house breaking is an issue, too, for a puppy. It costs us $15 dollars a day to pay a pet sitter to come let him out. Some charge more, but we got a deal because she is also a friend, starting a little side business. She only comes in once a day because one of us will be home.. me usually if not my husband. She plays with him, too. Then puts him back in the crate. To me it's more like a little play pen. We put a towel in their for him to sleep. He likes towels.. you know big fluffy towels. We also put a chew toy.. It is one where you can put treats inside, so there is some food, just not a bowel of food. (There was a time when we were afraid of him choking on food because he was so small!) The crate we have is black. It's not all wooden. Those seem like they are very dark. We were recommended to crate train our puppy by the adoption group. Of course, I also mentioned my friend whose Yorkie is crate-trained. Her crate is even smaller than our crate for our puppy! We have not had any problems with him at all. I am not a dog expert, so I really do not know what is best. This is the first dog we have ever had, and I didn't have many growing up. I just think there are so many doggies and kitties needing a home. I understand if people don't have the resources to pay someone to come in. But at least they have a safe place for the dog. And play with him, taking care of him with food, water, and shelter. If they have to use a crate while at work, well this might be an option. From what I was told, dogs don't mind crates. My friend flies all the way to Europe on a plane with her dog. He is in a crate for that long,but sometimes she takes him out on the plane. They let her. He doesn't potty though. There's nowhere for him to potty. So I guess he's ok. I am not sure about crates. I only know from my experience with them, and so far so good. But I think people do the best they can. It's very difficult to stay at home all day even with children must less animals. So, if nobody would adopt a dog until they could stay at home all day to let him/her out, then there would be even more unadopted. I think crates serve a purpose to protect the animal, too. My puppy has never torn anything up. He doesn't get into bad situations when we aren't there. So... I dunno. [Edited 3/18/09 4:27am] I still remember your doggie story that you shared with us. 
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Teacher said: shanti0608 said: I might add that I have known many dogs that have had to have surgery to remove things like rugs and pieces of plastic from their intestines after being left alone. I have known owners with small dogs that got wrapped up in electrical cords and blind strings when left unattended.
My previous ACD used to rearrange our living room when left alone. Just for a few hours, not talking all day. There are safety and security advantages to having a puppy in a crate. Then obviously you have no pad/blanket in the cage, since they can chew on that too. I'd LOVE to lie on hard plastic for hours.  In the wild dogs sleep on the ground. Where in the wild do you see dogs with blankets Jen? | |
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shanti0608 said: lascantas said: Our dog crate has an attachable water bowl. We use it. Also, we don't put food in there because we only feed our doggie twice a day, according to directions on his dog food. We give the recommended amount. And we give him treats to train him.
It's not so much about house breaking, it's more about him getting into stuff, but for sure house breaking is an issue, too, for a puppy. It costs us $15 dollars a day to pay a pet sitter to come let him out. Some charge more, but we got a deal because she is also a friend, starting a little side business. She only comes in once a day because one of us will be home.. me usually if not my husband. She plays with him, too. Then puts him back in the crate. To me it's more like a little play pen. We put a towel in their for him to sleep. He likes towels.. you know big fluffy towels. We also put a chew toy.. It is one where you can put treats inside, so there is some food, just not a bowel of food. (There was a time when we were afraid of him choking on food because he was so small!) The crate we have is black. It's not all wooden. Those seem like they are very dark. We were recommended to crate train our puppy by the adoption group. Of course, I also mentioned my friend whose Yorkie is crate-trained. Her crate is even smaller than our crate for our puppy! We have not had any problems with him at all. I am not a dog expert, so I really do not know what is best. This is the first dog we have ever had, and I didn't have many growing up. I just think there are so many doggies and kitties needing a home. I understand if people don't have the resources to pay someone to come in. But at least they have a safe place for the dog. And play with him, taking care of him with food, water, and shelter. If they have to use a crate while at work, well this might be an option. From what I was told, dogs don't mind crates. My friend flies all the way to Europe on a plane with her dog. He is in a crate for that long,but sometimes she takes him out on the plane. They let her. He doesn't potty though. There's nowhere for him to potty. So I guess he's ok. I am not sure about crates. I only know from my experience with them, and so far so good. But I think people do the best they can. It's very difficult to stay at home all day even with children must less animals. So, if nobody would adopt a dog until they could stay at home all day to let him/her out, then there would be even more unadopted. I think crates serve a purpose to protect the animal, too. My puppy has never torn anything up. He doesn't get into bad situations when we aren't there. So... I dunno. [Edited 3/18/09 4:27am] I still remember your doggie story that you shared with us.
You are a good doggie mom. Too bad more ppl are not like you. Thank you! Actually though, we don't know what we are doing.  This is the problem. So we seek a lot of advice because we don't know.
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lascantas said: shanti0608 said: I still remember your doggie story that you shared with us.
You are a good doggie mom. Too bad more ppl are not like you. Thank you! Actually though, we don't know what we are doing. This is the problem. So we seek a lot of advice because we don't know.
We try the best we can. Seeking advice and trial and error is all we can do. What works for one dog might not work for another. You and your family are doing your best and have been patient, that is more than some ppl do in your situation. No one here on this thread has all of the answers. I just know a few things from experience growing up with a mom that had lots of experience with animals. Then having many dogs of my own since I became an adult. Just trial and error and doing the best I can do. | |
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shanti0608 said: lascantas said: Thank you! Actually though, we don't know what we are doing. This is the problem. So we seek a lot of advice because we don't know.
We try the best we can. Seeking advice and trial and error is all we can do. What works for one dog might not work for another. You and your family are doing your best and have been patient, that is more than some ppl do in your situation. No one here on this thread has all of the answers. I just know a few things from experience growing up with a mom that had lots of experience with animals. Then having many dogs of my own since I became an adult. Just trial and error and doing the best I can do. I will share something with you. In a way it's shameful, but it was the way it was. We had a couple family dogs when I was growing up, but the truth is my parents took care of them, you know? My mother also didn't work, so.. there you are. She would take care of our pets and our whole family, too! LOL So it's different being an adult living away from your parents to have this responsibility and then maybe one day other responsibilities. I just never had to think about it before what to do with the family pet because it was taken care of for me. Now I have to take care of it, so it's like learning how to do the best we can given our situations. | |
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mdiver said: Teacher said: Then obviously you have no pad/blanket in the cage, since they can chew on that too. I'd LOVE to lie on hard plastic for hours. In the wild dogs sleep on the ground. Where in the wild do you see dogs with blankets Jen? yep, I have to agree...In my parents country...people don't keep dogs in their homes. They tie them up outside in the backyard...or they just stay outside somewhere.unlucky7 reincarnated | |
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lascantas said: shanti0608 said: Seeking advice and trial and error is all we can do. What works for one dog might not work for another. You and your family are doing your best and have been patient, that is more than some ppl do in your situation. No one here on this thread has all of the answers. I just know a few things from experience growing up with a mom that had lots of experience with animals. Then having many dogs of my own since I became an adult. Just trial and error and doing the best I can do. I will share something with you. In a way it's shameful, but it was the way it was. We had a couple family dogs when I was growing up, but the truth is my parents took care of them, you know? My mother also didn't work, so.. there you are. She would take care of our pets and our whole family, too! LOL So it's different being an adult living away from your parents to have this responsibility and then maybe one day other responsibilities. I just never had to think about it before what to do with the family pet because it was taken care of for me. Now I have to take care of it, so it's like learning how to do the best we can given our situations. That is all any of us can do. You are a smart person and you seem to be doing your research, that is a good thing. It is always a learning experience. I have had 3 Australian Cattle Dogs and they have all been a bit different. I had to use different training techniques with all of them. Everyone is so eager to give advice and tell you what you should and should not do, at the end of the day, you have to do what is best for your dog and your family. | |
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shanti0608 said: lascantas said: I will share something with you. In a way it's shameful, but it was the way it was. We had a couple family dogs when I was growing up, but the truth is my parents took care of them, you know? My mother also didn't work, so.. there you are. She would take care of our pets and our whole family, too! LOL So it's different being an adult living away from your parents to have this responsibility and then maybe one day other responsibilities. I just never had to think about it before what to do with the family pet because it was taken care of for me. Now I have to take care of it, so it's like learning how to do the best we can given our situations. That is all any of us can do. You are a smart person and you seem to be doing your research, that is a good thing. It is always a learning experience. I have had 3 Australian Cattle Dogs and they have all been a bit different. I had to use different training techniques with all of them. Everyone is so eager to give advice and tell you what you should and should not do, at the end of the day, you have to do what is best for your dog and your family. THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY.....HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING  | |
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Guys, seriously. What do you really care what some [snip - CarrieMpls] from Sweden thinks of how you care for your dog?
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This is the advice we give at the rescues:
If your going to have a crate please make sure your dog can stand with not touching the top, for it to be able to turn around freely and stretch his legs, for it to be able to lay on it’s back fully stretched out so that the dog can enjoy the chasing of bunnies dreams they so enjoy. Most pet shops are doggie friendly they will be more than happy to have you try out the many sizes. For your dogs comfort our advice is get one or two sizes up from what breeds they state on the label. Please do not leave the collar on neither leave anything on top that the dog could pull down and have an accident with. You can purchase two types of attachments for a metal crate to hold water and food. One is metal and is bolted on, the other is a plastic clip on. Check daily as sometimes the dogs can have a good chew at them and they can become loose. Our advice is that we would not use either of them. If you have a large enough crate then just leave a heavy bowl of water in it (a heavy bowl is hard to tip over). Please leave clean water and food daily. I hope the above advice may be of use for some  | |
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TypoQueen said: This is the advice we give at the rescues:
If your going to have a crate please make sure your dog can stand with not touching the top, for it to be able to turn around freely and stretch his legs, for it to be able to lay on it’s back fully stretched out so that the dog can enjoy the chasing of bunnies dreams they so enjoy. Most pet shops are doggie friendly they will be more than happy to have you try out the many sizes. For your dogs comfort our advice is get one or two sizes up from what breeds they state on the label. Please do not leave the collar on neither leave anything on top that the dog could pull down and have an accident with. You can purchase two types of attachments for a metal crate to hold water and food. One is metal and is bolted on, the other is a plastic clip on. Check daily as sometimes the dogs can have a good chew at them and they can become loose. Our advice is that we would not use either of them. If you have a large enough crate then just leave a heavy bowl of water in it (a heavy bowl is hard to tip over). Please leave clean water and food daily. I hope the above advice may be of use for some  | |
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I am done with this debate. I have better things to do. We are busy putting together Dylan's birthday gift.
http://www.petplanet.co.u...pf_id=4884 Yes, he is so deprived...he has his own water fountain. Mainly because he prefers drinking water from the bathroom sink and I get tired of turning the water on for him. This weekend he ran into the bathroom with our house guest to get him to turn on the tap for him. Our friend did not know what to think. | |
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johnart said: Cuddles said: a crate is small like a carrier. i dont see what the difference is. a cage / a crate neither are a fenced area to roam freely.Crates come in all sizes. But yes, in essence they are a cage by a different name. We have a huge one we weren't using (bought it ages ago when one of our dogs blessed us with 13 pups  and had to use it to contain them and potty train them.
Anyway, I set it up and threw a doggie bed in it and put a sheet over top and left it open...both our basset and our St Bernard would go in there to nap. Some dogs like the enclosed feel.Makes them feel safe, some trainers say. I know people who have very happy crate-trained dogs. Seems to work for them. It's just not for us. Our dogs have run of our home. i have two, a large one for home i keep in the kitchen with his water and food. and a smaller one for traveling in the car. Sorry, i dont like to have to vacuum the car every time he goes somewhere with me, which is often. I vacuum the house enough just for him. But i am looking into getting one of those straps that attach to the seat belt. but yeah, he is actually protective of his crates, he doesnt like anyone touching them or going near them To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws. | |
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shanti0608 said: I am done with this debate. I have better things to do. We are busy putting together Dylan's birthday gift.
http://www.petplanet.co.u...pf_id=4884 Yes, he is so deprived...he has his own water fountain. Mainly because he prefers drinking water from the bathroom sink and I get tired of turning the water on for him. This weekend he ran into the bathroom with our house guest to get him to turn on the tap for him. Our friend did not know what to think. you may find one day he will learn to turn the tap on himself, get ready with that camcorder
 Shanti hope you dont mind me telling you this but the Dogit is often returned due to faults. The Drinkwell is much better and last longer but do cost. | |
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TypoQueen said: shanti0608 said: I am done with this debate. I have better things to do. We are busy putting together Dylan's birthday gift.
http://www.petplanet.co.u...pf_id=4884 Yes, he is so deprived...he has his own water fountain. Mainly because he prefers drinking water from the bathroom sink and I get tired of turning the water on for him. This weekend he ran into the bathroom with our house guest to get him to turn on the tap for him. Our friend did not know what to think. you may find one day he will learn to turn the tap on himself, get ready with that camcorder
Shanti hope you dont mind me telling you this but the Dogit is often returned due to faults. The Drinkwell is much better and last longer but do cost.I have contacted a few ppl that have the Dogit and they loved it. I read on one of the sites that the Drinkwell was rubbish.
I will let you know what I think of it once we get it where it needs to go. Just sorting out an outlet at the moment. | |
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JustErin said: Guys, seriously. What do you really care what some [snip - CarrieMpls] from Sweden thinks of how you care for your dog?
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I have raised many dogs for many different reason for over 35 yrs ...
I crate train - always now - my dogs are NOT left home alone in their crates for more then a few hrs time I would not force my dogs to stay in a crate all day and they do CHOOSE to sleep in them on their beds all night on their own to each their own I guess
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shanti0608 said: TypoQueen said: you may find one day he will learn to turn the tap on himself, get ready with that camcorder
Shanti hope you dont mind me telling you this but the Dogit is often returned due to faults. The Drinkwell is much better and last longer but do cost.I have contacted a few ppl that have the Dogit and they loved it. I read on one of the sites that the Drinkwell was rubbish.
I will let you know what I think of it once we get it where it needs to go. Just sorting out an outlet at the moment. It was a friend that runs a pet shop that told me as i was gonna get one for my cat. When you get it please tell me if it's good as I'm still interested as my old dear no longer goes outside and is not enjoying bottle or tap water and only drinks when she seems desperate.  just had a brain wave. She used to drink from the stream I think i may go collect some water and see if thats what she is missing | |
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peacenlovealways said: mdiver said: In the wild dogs sleep on the ground. Where in the wild do you see dogs with blankets Jen? yep, I have to agree...In my parents country...people don't keep dogs in their homes. They tie them up outside in the backyard...or they just stay outside somewhere.But for the most part dogs have been domesticated and no longer wild. The only thing is that IMO it really depends on how the dog was brought up (if you're not getting it from a puppy). As long as a dog has adequate shelter, nourishment and socialization they should generally be fine. The rest we'll all never agree on. It's like with Parenting Styles. Now where's that lady who got the citation for tying her dogs out for a few hours, I might owe her an apology. | |
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Teacher said: KidaDynamite said: A cage and a crate is 2 different things. No it's not. A search for "dog crate" yield these pics and none of the results I looked at are different. Admittedly I didn't look at all approx 39,200 of them. Wouldn't you love to spend 8 hours in something of a corresponding size? No food and water, must be great. 
A search for "dog cage" yields apprix 21,300 results and they're startingly similar in appearance dont you think? 
How the hell can any normal thinking person stick their dog in a crate/cage like this for hours on end? For those of you who do, do they have food and water? If you have a larger dog, where do you put it? I was thinking some more along the lines of this... 
or something made for the dog out of a big box. What you posted I call them cages not crates but I didn't know other people called them that too, so... surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
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shanti0608 said: I am done with this debate. I have better things to do. We are busy putting together Dylan's birthday gift.
http://www.petplanet.co.u...pf_id=4884 Yes, he is so deprived...he has his own water fountain. Mainly because he prefers drinking water from the bathroom sink and I get tired of turning the water on for him. This weekend he ran into the bathroom with our house guest to get him to turn on the tap for him. Our friend did not know what to think. that is too cute! Rhythm floods my heart♥The melody it feeds my soul | |
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veronikka said: shanti0608 said: I am done with this debate. I have better things to do. We are busy putting together Dylan's birthday gift.
http://www.petplanet.co.u...pf_id=4884 Yes, he is so deprived...he has his own water fountain. Mainly because he prefers drinking water from the bathroom sink and I get tired of turning the water on for him. This weekend he ran into the bathroom with our house guest to get him to turn on the tap for him. Our friend did not know what to think. that is too cute! I had to run in there to tell our friend why Dylan was barking at him as he was washing his hands at the sink. Dylan pushed him out of the way, put his paws on the sink and started drinking the water. I hope he takes to his new water fountain. So far, he is not impressed. | |
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TypoQueen said: This is the advice we give at the rescues:
If your going to have a crate please make sure your dog can stand with not touching the top, for it to be able to turn around freely and stretch his legs, for it to be able to lay on it’s back fully stretched out so that the dog can enjoy the chasing of bunnies dreams they so enjoy. Most pet shops are doggie friendly they will be more than happy to have you try out the many sizes. For your dogs comfort our advice is get one or two sizes up from what breeds they state on the label. Please do not leave the collar on neither leave anything on top that the dog could pull down and have an accident with. You can purchase two types of attachments for a metal crate to hold water and food. One is metal and is bolted on, the other is a plastic clip on. Check daily as sometimes the dogs can have a good chew at them and they can become loose. Our advice is that we would not use either of them. If you have a large enough crate then just leave a heavy bowl of water in it (a heavy bowl is hard to tip over). Please leave clean water and food daily. I hope the above advice may be of use for some We use the one with the metal bolt! It has these "plates" and there is bolt, securing the plates and the holder. The dog bowl sort of snaps in. You turn it once.
And yes, the rescue people told us not to leave the collar on. We always take-off the collar because we are afraid he might hang himself.. if he ever got sort crazy in the crate. What he does is he tries to get the treat--a small dog biscuit out of the chew toy. I watched him today, and he seems to spend a lot a lot of time trying to get all of the treat out of the toy! I can't remember than name of the chew toy. But it is indestructable. The only thing I worry about is him choking on food, but now that he's older and a little bigger, I don't worry as much about it. | |
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ZombieKitten said: meow85 said: THANK YOU. I cannot believe how many people here are getting all up in arms about crate training, when what they're describing is locking the animal in a cage for hours on end. outside of north america, I've never heard of it really. I've never seen what a crate looks like, and I am also imagining a cage  can someone post a photo of a largish dog happy in his crate please?A crate is just a sort of carrier. Some owners train their dogs to, while at home, use the crate as a sort of den, or to only relieve themselves in the crate if they (the owners) expect to be out of the house for any length of time. No biggie, and certainly NOT locking the animal up. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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shanti0608 said: I might add that I have known many dogs that have had to have surgery to remove things like rugs and pieces of plastic from their intestines after being left alone. I have known owners with small dogs that got wrapped up in electrical cords and blind strings when left unattended.
My previous ACD used to rearrange our living room when left alone. Just for a few hours, not talking all day. There are safety and security advantages to having a puppy in a crate. My dog ate a $8 thong a few months ago. He was pooping satin for a week. Jerk  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: ZombieKitten said: outside of north america, I've never heard of it really. I've never seen what a crate looks like, and I am also imagining a cage can someone post a photo of a largish dog happy in his crate please?A crate is just a sort of carrier. Some owners train their dogs to, while at home, use the crate as a sort of den, or to only relieve themselves in the crate if they (the owners) expect to be out of the house for any length of time. No biggie, and certainly NOT locking the animal up. that would make sense, more than keeping it locked in there for hours on end | |
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