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PrintableLammastide said: Such drama!
The answer? A cat. Great solution! 
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meow85 said: KidaDynamite said: A cage and a crate is 2 different things. THANK YOU. I cannot believe how many people here are getting all up in arms about crate training, when what they're describing is locking the animal in a cage for hours on end. outside of north america, I've never heard of it really. I've never seen what a crate looks like, and I am also imagining a cage  can someone post a photo of a largish dog happy in his crate please? | |
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ZombieKitten said: meow85 said: THANK YOU. I cannot believe how many people here are getting all up in arms about crate training, when what they're describing is locking the animal in a cage for hours on end. outside of north america, I've never heard of it really. I've never seen what a crate looks like, and I am also imagining a cage can someone post a photo of a largish dog happy in his crate please?a crate is small like a carrier.  i dont see what the difference is. a cage / a crate neither are a fenced area to roam freely.To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws. | |
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IstenSzek said: myfavorite said:  if you don't strop crying we're gonna have to put you in the crate  that is sooooo not funny.....  THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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myfavorite said: IstenSzek said: if you don't strop crying we're gonna have to put you in the crate that is sooooo not funny..... unlucky7 reincarnated | |
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I wasn't talking about locking them in a crate...just training it to go to the bathroom there...leaving the door open so it can roam freely. unlucky7 reincarnated | |
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 THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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Cuddles said: ZombieKitten said: outside of north america, I've never heard of it really. I've never seen what a crate looks like, and I am also imagining a cage can someone post a photo of a largish dog happy in his crate please?a crate is small like a carrier. i dont see what the difference is. a cage / a crate neither are a fenced area to roam freely.Crates come in all sizes. But yes, in essence they are a cage by a different name. We have a huge one we weren't using (bought it ages ago when one of our dogs blessed us with 13 pups and had to use it to contain them and potty train them.
Anyway, I set it up and threw a doggie bed in it and put a sheet over top and left it open...both our basset and our St Bernard would go in there to nap. Some dogs like the enclosed feel.Makes them feel safe, some trainers say. I know people who have very happy crate-trained dogs. Seems to work for them. It's just not for us. Our dogs have run of our home. | |
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peacenlovealways said: I wasn't talking about locking them in a crate...just training it to go to the bathroom there...leaving the door open so it can roam freely.
In that case maybe a small dog and you can train it to go on wee-wee pads when you're not home. However, you should keep in mind what breed. Some dogs will get bored or anxious and let you know. You won't much care where they took a pee once they've fucked your couch up. [Edited 3/17/09 21:55pm] | |
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Teacher said: IstenSzek said: all this talk of crates and crate training. wtf
a crate may be fine for a puppy who's not housebroken yet or to sleep in at night but once a dog is grown and knows he has to pee and poo outside, why is the crate still even in the house? some dogs may feel comfortable in the crate but then you could just leave the door open all day. what is the problem all these people have with their dogs that causes them to feel they have to lock their dog up in a crate all day or night? my dog has never spent a single hour in a crate. he just stays at home alone whenever he has to and he sleeps in the livingroom at night, on his beanbag cushion. he can walk around if he wants to, get a drink of water or eat a bit of kibble, lol. why should i lock him in a crate? do these dogs you talk about attack your furniture or shred your curtains when you leave them free to walk around the house? if so, i'm sorry to say, but maybe you're not home enough or maybe you didn't train them well enough. PREACH!  It's fucked up to keep your dog in a crate, there's no fathomable reason for it other than the human fucking laziness. I suggest you mofos spend 8 hours a day in a cage with enough room to stand and move around a little bit it, but no more than that. Then do it every damn day like you do to your dog and tell me how you like it.
Dumbfucks. A little while ago Jen you went off at people for ascribing human emotions to dogs because they are NOT human they are animals. In that case you can't ask a human what their reaction to being crated would be..they are not dogs | |
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Ok....I am guess I am not fit to be a dog owner. Someone want to care for a one year old Australian Cattle dog that needs lots of exercise outside of his own garden? | |
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shanti0608 said:
Ok....I am guess I am not fit to be a dog owner. Someone want to care for a one year old Australian Cattle dog that needs lots of exercise outside of his own garden? I don't have a garden, and Uzie is very relaxed indoors. Belgian sheepdogs are every bit as demanding as an Aussie. It's about activating your dog mentally and physically as well as passisivity training. It's really simple. | |
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mdiver said: Teacher said: PREACH! It's fucked up to keep your dog in a crate, there's no fathomable reason for it other than the human fucking laziness. I suggest you mofos spend 8 hours a day in a cage with enough room to stand and move around a little bit it, but no more than that. Then do it every damn day like you do to your dog and tell me how you like it.
Dumbfucks. A little while ago Jen you went off at people for ascribing human emotions to dogs because they are NOT human they are animals. In that case you can't ask a human what their reaction to being crated would be..they are not dogs Did you miss the part of the not being able to move around? I am talking purely physical effects here. | |
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Teacher said: mdiver said: A little while ago Jen you went off at people for ascribing human emotions to dogs because they are NOT human they are animals. In that case you can't ask a human what their reaction to being crated would be..they are not dogs Did you miss the part of the not being able to move around? I am talking purely physical effects here. If anyone puts a dog in a crate where it cant move then yeah....wrong. However i dont see anyone advocating that at all | |
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Thankfully I live in a country that has realised some essential things about keeping a dog:
- It's illegal to keep your dog in a crate/cage/carrier for longer than two hours unless it's for transportation purposes or a show/competition and if it's the latter the dog needs to be walked every two hours at the very least, and you cannot use one at all in your home. Two hours also goes for keeping your dog in your car. - Your dog has to be walked/let out every six hours unless it's night or the owner's sleeping time if s/he works nights. That legislation I LOVE about Sweden. | |
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peacenlovealways said: I wasn't talking about locking them in a crate...just training it to go to the bathroom there...leaving the door open so it can roam freely.
Dogs need to be let outside to pee and poo. If you're so damn lazy or not present enough to walk your dog when it needs to go, then you shouldn't have one. | |
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Teacher said: shanti0608 said:
Ok....I am guess I am not fit to be a dog owner. Someone want to care for a one year old Australian Cattle dog that needs lots of exercise outside of his own garden? I don't have a garden, and Uzie is very relaxed indoors. Belgian sheepdogs are every bit as demanding as an Aussie. It's about activating your dog mentally and physically as well as passisivity training. It's really simple. Indeed I agree. Dylan gets out to the valley every day to chase the ball and meet other dogs. Sleeping in a crate that he can turn around in and stand up in is NOT hurting him. If it was, he would not chose to take naps in there all on his own. He loves the garden and is out in it almost all day long, he still needs stimulation outside of the garden, not just to relieve his bowels. All dogs are different, breeds require different things. To each their own, just like raising a child. Though all dogs much go outside to relieve themselves. | |
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I might add that I have known many dogs that have had to have surgery to remove things like rugs and pieces of plastic from their intestines after being left alone. I have known owners with small dogs that got wrapped up in electrical cords and blind strings when left unattended.
My previous ACD used to rearrange our living room when left alone. Just for a few hours, not talking all day. There are safety and security advantages to having a puppy in a crate. | |
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KidaDynamite said: A cage and a crate is 2 different things. No it's not. A search for "dog crate" yield these pics and none of the results I looked at are different. Admittedly I didn't look at all approx 39,200 of them. Wouldn't you love to spend 8 hours in something of a corresponding size? No food and water, must be great. 
A search for "dog cage" yields apprix 21,300 results and they're startingly similar in appearance dont you think? 
How the hell can any normal thinking person stick their dog in a crate/cage like this for hours on end? For those of you who do, do they have food and water? If you have a larger dog, where do you put it? | |
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shanti0608 said: I might add that I have known many dogs that have had to have surgery to remove things like rugs and pieces of plastic from their intestines after being left alone. I have known owners with small dogs that got wrapped up in electrical cords and blind strings when left unattended.
My previous ACD used to rearrange our living room when left alone. Just for a few hours, not talking all day. There are safety and security advantages to having a puppy in a crate. Then obviously you have no pad/blanket in the cage, since they can chew on that too. I'd LOVE to lie on hard plastic for hours. | |
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Teacher said: KidaDynamite said: A cage and a crate is 2 different things. No it's not. A search for "dog crate" yield these pics and none of the results I looked at are different. Admittedly I didn't look at all approx 39,200 of them. Wouldn't you love to spend 8 hours in something of a corresponding size? No food and water, must be great.
A search for "dog cage" yields apprix 21,300 results and they're startingly similar in appearance dont you think?
How the hell can any normal thinking person stick their dog in a crate/cage like this for hours on end? For those of you who do, do they have food and water? If you have a larger dog, where do you put it? They do sell food and water bowls to attach in the crate.  | |
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Teacher said: KidaDynamite said: A cage and a crate is 2 different things. No it's not. A search for "dog crate" yield these pics and none of the results I looked at are different. Admittedly I didn't look at all approx 39,200 of them. Wouldn't you love to spend 8 hours in something of a corresponding size? No food and water, must be great.
A search for "dog cage" yields apprix 21,300 results and they're startingly similar in appearance dont you think?
How the hell can any normal thinking person stick their dog in a crate/cage like this for hours on end? For those of you who do, do they have food and water? If you have a larger dog, where do you put it? I would not even consider having a dog if i didnt have a garden.....  | |
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mdiver said: Teacher said: No it's not. A search for "dog crate" yield these pics and none of the results I looked at are different. Admittedly I didn't look at all approx 39,200 of them. Wouldn't you love to spend 8 hours in something of a corresponding size? No food and water, must be great.
A search for "dog cage" yields apprix 21,300 results and they're startingly similar in appearance dont you think?
How the hell can any normal thinking person stick their dog in a crate/cage like this for hours on end? For those of you who do, do they have food and water? If you have a larger dog, where do you put it? I would not even consider having a dog if i didnt have a garden..... No we sure wouldn't. Dylan would not be a happy pup, that is for sure. | |
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mdiver said: Teacher said: Did you miss the part of the not being able to move around? I am talking purely physical effects here. If anyone puts a dog in a crate where it cant move then yeah....wrong. However i dont see anyone advocating that at all So obviously your dog has way more room than other dogs, where did you find that kind of crate? And of course he has food and water in there. | |
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mdiver said: I would not even consider having a dog if i didnt have a garden..... You don't walk your dog that much then, which I do. Even if I had a garden I'd still take as many walks as I do now, I don't believe that a garden is enough for a dog to relieve themselves in. I walk Uzie at least 4 times a day. | |
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Teacher said: mdiver said: If anyone puts a dog in a crate where it cant move then yeah....wrong. However i dont see anyone advocating that at all So obviously your dog has way more room than other dogs, where did you find that kind of crate? And of course he has food and water in there. He does not have food in there because one of us is always home for his twice a day feedings. He is currently in the giant one. http://www.petplanet.co.u...ept_id=149 This pic is a photo of his first night at our house. He slept in this crate on his two hour drive home from the breeder. Took himself off to bed, all by himself that night. He was sound asleep in there until I woke him with the camera taking his pic.  | |
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Teacher said: mdiver said: If anyone puts a dog in a crate where it cant move then yeah....wrong. However i dont see anyone advocating that at all So obviously your dog has way more room than other dogs, where did you find that kind of crate? And of course he has food and water in there. Water yes, food no, he gets fed when we say so | |
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Teacher said: mdiver said: I would not even consider having a dog if i didnt have a garden..... You don't walk your dog that much then, which I do. Even if I had a garden I'd still take as many walks as I do now, I don't believe that a garden is enough for a dog to relieve themselves in. I walk Uzie at least 4 times a day. he gets 2x3mile walks a day | |
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The crate was also a great house breaking tool for Dylan. Trained in 4 days at 8 weeks old.
Most healthy dogs (unless pound pups) will not pee or poo in their dens or beds. | |
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shanti0608 said: He does not have food in there because one of us is always home for his twice a day feedings. He is currently in the giant one. http://www.petplanet.co.u...ept_id=149 This pic is a photo of his first night at our house. He slept in this crate on his two hour drive home from the breeder. Took himself off to bed, all by himself that night. He was sound asleep in there until I woke him with the camera taking his pic. And this is the same crate that you have now? Oh yeah, it's huge. Not. When Uzie sleeps stretched out on her side she's about 1 m (39,3 ") long. The huge dog crates I found on that site are about 120 (approx 44") cm's long, the longest/deepest is 127 cm's. I can honestly not believe that any sensible person thinks this is ok. I just can't and that's all I have to say about it. | |
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