Yall think haynesworth is worth that 7 year 100 mil.

phunkdaddy said:

Nope. No defensive player is.

phunkdaddy said:

MuthaFunka said:

Only if you're on LT's level, which Haynesworth is NOT. When will Snyder learn - you don't build a winning NFL franchise this way?

Jets are on the verge of trading for Lito Sheppard.

uPtoWnNY said:

Even LT in his hay-day wasn't worth a ticket.

Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Chiefs for a 2nd round pick. I don't know what the Pats were thinking. But oh well who gives a fuck? Fuck the Patriots!

weused2luvhim said:

I have a feeling that Cassel was good in the "system" of the Patriots. Outside that system....back 2 scrub status?

Graycap23 said:

Yeah, Cassell has the makings of a Scott Mitchell. Letting him go while you have a 3-time Super Bowl champ coming back = No brainer.

Dallas traded CB Anthony Henry to Detroit for QB Jon Kitna.

MajesticOne89 said:

damn....

uPtoWnNY said:

No fucking way!

Graycap23 said:

Yeah i can't understand this. Cassel's only had one season in the nfl and
you're banking on this guy leading your team to the post season. He may
not be the same in another team's offensive philosophy. The chiefs already
have a decent qb in tyler thigpen. Why invest a number 2 pick in Matt Cassel?
Has to be a move by their new gm pioli who came over from new england.

Here's my WTF moment:
WTF the broncos were thinking shopping jay cutler in a 3 team trade.

Yeah funka i think Cassel could be more scott mitchell than drew brees.
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phunkdaddy said:

Graycap23 said:

Which team?

violator said:

Tampa

Graycap23 said:

C'mon, dawg. Kellen's better than any TE Tampa has on their roster currently.

Graycap23 said:

That's who I thought you meant. It's not that I don't think Winslow's worth a 2 and a 5, but that's a steep price to pay for a team in the market for a QB, RB, WR, DT, LB and DE. Those picks could have been better spent.

MuthaFunka said:

But how much do they use their TE?
That's why I couldn't understand it.
They did get rid of Dunn for the moment but if Dunn comes back, he'll get the short catches out the backfield over perennial excuse making underachiever Winslow.


Last year, Jerramy Stevens had 36 receptions.
Winslow had 43 receptions but was definitely targeted more.
But his productions suggests he probably should be in Tampa.
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MuthaFunka said:

The Raiders released Gibril Wilson but Roy Williams won't be coming to Oakland.
Dallas was so critical of his lack of on field performance, they can't really keep him.

SUPRMAN said:

They have a new coach, and that usually means a new system. They may incorporate the TE more.

MuthaFunka said:

Roy Williams tackling a TE? LOL that'll be day . . . .

SUPRMAN said:

Roy can still hit/tackle. Roy can still cover most TEs. Roy can't cover the slot.

MuthaFunka said:

phunkdaddy said:

I don't see what you don't understand. The Chiefs gave up a second round pick for a guy they just watched throw a 3,693/21 line under live NFL fire. How many established, quality vet QB's do you think come available in free agency? Because guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady generally aren't exposed to the free agent market, there's almost always going to be some risk involved with this type of acquisition. Or more importantly, if as a GM you've established QB as a high priority pick-up for your team, who are you going to get in the draft with that number 2 selection that fits that descriptive?

Unlike any of the QB's who'd be available at #34, Cassel has positive NFL film to justify the deal.

MuthaFunka said:

That was my first mental image of Roy Williams was him getting burnt inside and missing the tackle . . .

SUPRMAN said:

The Bucs haven't used their TE's very much in the past, but new OC Jeff Jagodzinski has said this will change.

And I don't know. Underachiever might be a bit strong for Winslow. His numbers over the last 3 seasons have been pretty much what you'd expect for a player of his caliber.

violator said:

I was expecting Tony Gonzalez's successor or another Shannon but this Winslow won't have a bust in Canton.

SUPRMAN said:

Perhaps not, but that's largely up to him. To put this in perspective, his dad (a HOF) caught 541 passes for 6741 yards and 45 TD's over 9 seasons. Winslow Jr. has 219 receptions for 2,459 yards and 11 TD's over essentially 3 seasons. And he's only 25. But he has to a) cancel the drama he's been a part of from the beginning of his career (maybe the trade was a wake-up call for that). and b) he has to start being an integral part of getting Tampa to the post-season.

violator said:

Will he have wes welker, randy moss, and those other weapons in KC to
support him? I think not. I rest my case.

phunkdaddy said:

That ain't much of a case. I mean, who knows what he's going to have? The free agency period is in its infancy. Hell, Matt Leinart had Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin in Arizona and he stunk like limburger cheese. So, if there's any case to be made here, it's that great receivers don't insure a quarterback's performance.