AlexdeParis said:

No, I'm dead serious. Again, you're talking about INDIVIDUAL GAMES vs each other while I'm talking about OVERALL COMPETITION WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE CONFERENCES. People kill me by trying to go off records. That's not what it's about. It's about the level of competition teams face.

MuthaFunka said:

They played 8 games against each other! Eight! We're not talking about a fluke win here and there, we're talking about the Mountain West winning 75% of the games they played against the Pac-10. Your argument is as ludicrous as the BCS itself. Performance on the field should be what matters more than anything else.

AlexdeParis said:

Wow! EIGHT WHOLE GAMES! THAT SETTLES IT THEN! ! Again - EIGHT INDIVIDUAL GAMES = NOT A WHOLE SEASON WITHIN THE PAC 10. HUGE DIFFERENCE. You can go right ahead and keep thinking the MW conference was EQUAL THIS YEAR TO THE PAC all you want, but I know GAHT-DAMN better!

MuthaFunka said:

No, no, not equal... better. Because they were. Believe what you like.

AlexdeParis said:

WRONG! Completely wrong! - Stop going off RECORDS! It's the easiest way to get beat in a debate about sports!

MuthaFunka said:

What are you talking about? I'm not going off records. I'm going off head-to-head competition. You know, that thing sports are all about...

AlexdeParis said:

And you brought up their records!

MuthaFunka said:

I wrote their conference records so you would see it wasn't just a case of the good Mountain West teams beating up on the bad Pac-10 teams. No, even a team like UNLV that could only win 2 games against the Mountain West could go to Tempe and get a win (their only road win of the season).

AlexdeParis said:

You put UNLV in the Pac and they won't do as well as they did in the weaker MW. Period. The same goes for Air Force. The ONLY team that would probably stay strong would be Utah but I don't see them going undefeated in the Pac.

MuthaFunka said:

They only won 2 games in the Mountain West! They didn't do well at all! But they still managed to beat ASU (on the road). Combine the two leagues and you'd still have good teams like USC and Utah at the top and bad teams like Washington and Wyoming at the bottom. And if you think teams like Washington would do better in the Mountain West, well, that's just silly.
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AlexdeParis said:

Dude. You ain't gonna convince me. Period.

MuthaFunka said:

I don't need to convince you. They already proved it on the field.
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AlexdeParis said:

Riiiight...Suuuuure...

phunkdaddy said:

I hate to see Moreno and Stafford leave but they've got to go do their own thing...the dawgs are deep at QB and RB so we'll be ok...
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MuthaFunka said:

Seriously, the Mountain West was at least comparable to the Pac 10 this year. Washington and Washington St. were worse than any MWC team, and Utah was better than any Pac 10 team.

Moonbeam said:

Actually, there weren't too many teams NATIONWIDE that were worse than these two...to think, WSU was only a 3 point win over winless UW and a win over division I-AA Portland St. from being winless themselves...

overall, based on the season results, you could argue that the MWC was comparable to the PAC-10...but historically, not so much...if they pull off the same kind of record against the PAC-10 next year, then there may be something to it....and I'd love to see Utah take on USC, because I think it'd be a much better game than most of the Trojans' games...

reneGade20 said:

Historically, the Pac 10 is definitely superior to the Mountain West. It's not even close. But this year, the Mountain West really was a good conference, on par with the Pac 10 and Big 10, and arguably better than the Big East and ACC.

Moonbeam said:

False.

MuthaFunka said:

Well, they at least have a stronger case to be ranked #1, then.

Moonbeam said:

ahead of a PAC-10 team? I'll buy that....but not ahead of the Gators for sure!

Moonbeam said:

Nope, not in my opinion.

MuthaFunka said:

Why should USC be ranked ahead of Utah?

And I do think that Utah should be ahead of the Gators, too.

Moonbeam said:

Do I really have to repeat all that again?

MuthaFunka said:

Yes!

Moonbeam said:

No!

MuthaFunka said:

This guy REALLY likes Tim Tebow...

http://www.palmbeachpost...._0110.html



>>>>The only player left in Florida's dressing room after the game, he sat quietly at his locker in nothing more than gray boxer briefs with his hands folded, hunched over like someone trying desperately to catch his breath. Or settle his mind. Or both. Team attendants cleaning up dared only whisper in the silence out of respect or compassion.

Those muscles listed in press guides, all 240 pounds of them, they can, in fact, hang heavily on a man. He seemed almost weighed down by the bulk of his physique. The toll his perfectly tuned body had taken in 3 1/2 hours against Oklahoma was clear from the red burns on the right shoulder where he wore an ice pack for almost an hour.

The crystal blue eyes that usually light up his square but softly freckled face seemed washed of color, his eyelids heavy, half-closing. If ever a man has looked exhausted, defined precisely as depleted or completely used up of his natural riches, Tebow was that man. <<<