There's a simple solution folks. If you don't like interacting with the outside world, stay indoors.

If a restaurateur/shop-owner/etc is happy to allow children in his/her establishment, you're in the wrong place. Go find a "no children" place to eat/shop/etc.

usually when kids are left to cry and cry there is a battle of wills going on. if the parent gives in to the child they are making a rod for their own back.

however, kids should be removed from a place like a cinema or restaurant, but i would let mine yell in the supermarket as i can be quite stubborn.

laurarichardson said:

that's why there's dramamine*
















* kidding. not really endorsing the notion that small, loud, stinky, disruptive plane-ride-making-hell little children should be sedated. at least, not seriously endorsing the notion. maybe a little bit, though. might lean toward considering the possibility under certain circumstances.

angelcat said:

the thing about "removed from restaurants" is....there is a meal that is either in the process of being ordered,made, or eaten and has to be paid for regardless...so in a perfect world maybe the mum could go out to the car with the sceaming child while dad sat inside with the non-screaming child and either got the food to go or finished eating or paid or whatever but ...the world is not perfect....

Anxiety said:

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If you do not have children, you can stop commenting because you do not have a fucking clue. If you do have children then you know they do not have on and off buttonsin their backside. They get tired and have bad days just like anyone else that being said if the screaming and yelling is really out of control they should be removed from the area but at the same time you cannot always give them the attention they think they can get from screaming.

Anxiety said:

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If you do not have children, you can stop commenting because you do not have a fucking clue. If you do have children then you know they do not have on and off buttonsin their backside. They get tired and have bad days just like anyone else that being said if the screaming and yelling is really out of control they should be removed from the area but at the same time you cannot always give them the attention they think they can get from screaming.

tackam said:

yeah i feel sorry for the kid sometimes when they have douche parents who drag them all over the place.

laurarichardson said:

oh, laura.

you didn't read a word i wrote, did you?

chillichocaholic said:

well of course i'd judge the parents by their looks so i wouldnt even think of yelling at you chilli!

Only ugly families need to be yelled at.

I have a lot of sympathy if a kid is crying on the bus, or at the grocery store or something, with some tired parent. I know that kids don't have an 'off' switch.

But at a restaurant, or a movie, something like that. . . GET YO SCREAMING DEMON SPAWN OUT OF HERE!!!

XxAxX said:

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I find people who do not like children often had a sad childhood. Get help before you procreate.

laurarichardson said:

here is your dramamine dear. that's it... nice and easy.....

Like I really give a shit what strangers think.

hellloooo....you're not home

nobody wants to hear their own kids whining and crying, let alone your kids.


thank you

OPSA
(org public service announcement)

mcmeekle said:

Its quite simple really. Dont go where poor people go.

i think good parents know the difference between "familyworld" and "nonfamilyworld". i think smart parents know when their kids' outbursts are a liability, and i also think smart parents are adept at home teaching their kids to know how to behave outside of the house.

of course, kids will be kids, and i think there are certain environments where kids can scream and act out and throw tantrums as much as they want and, hey, that's why the whole restaurant is built out of nerf and tonka materials. when you go to a matinee of a G rated movie or to a zoo during the day, those of us without kids are on "their" turf...we just have to suck it up and let the little darlings rant and rave to their heart's content, cuz we're in "familyworld".

i think a lot of parents spend so much time with their kids in "familyworld" that when they cross the line into "nonfamilyworld", they don't know the difference anymore. they just figure everyone on earth is used to dealing with 2.5 screaming brats every day, so what's the difference.

Moment of Clarity Mantra:

THE WORLD IS NOT A CHUCK E. CHEESE RESTAURANT, PEOPLE.

Anxiety said:

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I read it I just did not care for what you wrote and my comments are really directed at all of the child haters and know-it-alls who do not even have kids.

Some of the comments on this topic are obnoxious as hell

laurarichardson said:

I have two fab kids and by far am not a child hater. I find your remarks far to strong. I left many public situations because my kids were having a bad day and or just decided to blow a gasket. I chose to give birth and except all that entailed. In no way did I feel this was a "too bad deal with my child" feature for the public at large.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I once left a restaurant, a kid friendly one at that, because the service was ridiculously slow and my then 2 year old would have had a freaking meltdown if we'd have stayed. He was on the verge. We just got our stuff to go.

I have to say it was more of a selfish act on our parts because we didn't want to try and eat and calm a lunatic 2 year old.

hokie said:

I hear that! I missed the end of more then one movie and had more then one meal to go. The first 5 years of life I rather gave up a lot of public life.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Yep!

Our then childless neighbors used to say that their baby would have to fit into their busy lives because they weren't going to stop living just because they had a baby.

Then when they did have one and never went anywhere and she'd come crying to me saying that it took her three hours to get ready to go somewhere and then they'd get fussy and cry the whole time I did this...



I told you so!

hokie said:

Amen.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Man. I need to go to bed. People on the org are pissing me off tonight. Especially these 18 and 20 year olds talking about how to raise my children.



Nighty night.

I couldn't stay away.


I am quite bothered by some of the responses here, but to each their own I guess. I will try and hold my tongue and write a pleasant response...

I have two boys. They're 8 and 5, so they are way past this stage, but I did go through it. More with the second one. As much as people don't like to hear a screaming baby or child neither do we. If I'm in a restaurant and my child is crying I am already embarrassed. I already feel bad. Most likely I'm exhausted too. I don't need any rude looks or snide remarks. Usually I'm a very pleasant person, however if someone would dare say something to me or look at me they'll very likely get a nice "fuck off" from me. At that point I don't have patience for rude people.

I do agree to a certain extent. If I took my baby to a really fancy, high end restaurant at 10 at night and he started wailing then yeah, I'd take him out. But, I am not moronic enough to do this in the first place. But, if I'm in a casual place at a normal hour and it's "kid friendly" then all you kid hating people can kiss my shiny white ass. Go somewhere where it's a more adult only crowd. I for one would not take my kids or a baby to a grown up movie. I agree. It's not the right move. If you want to take your younger kid to a more grown up movie then try and do it in the afternoon.

I can respect someone for not wanting kids or liking them all that much. But, I am sure as hell not about to alter my entire life so I don't dare cross one of you. If you have this amount of disdain for the wee ones then move to Mars I say.

OK...have a nice day. That is all.
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