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Reply #90 posted 11/20/02 7:08pm

Rhondab

Well someone please hate me...I'mma uneducated thug who says things like...I'll holla...and stop hatin'. I want to be hated on today...lol
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Reply #91 posted 11/20/02 7:16pm

IceNine

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jthad1129 said:

Hate is bad no matter who or what race the person is. Why would you actually hate someone? What does someone have to do for you to hate them? Does it make you feel better in your body and soul? I am trying to be as open minded as you.

If someone cuts you off in traffic, do you hate them? If someone disagrees with you, do you hate them? I can't hate Michael Jackson, i don't even know Mike. You can hate Osama for what he did to America but hate takes up so much space that its not healthy. So i had to look at where you are from, and i was not suprised to see it was Texas. So to answer your question...

If you hate one Mexican, it does not mean that you hate all Mexicans. It just means that you waste time hating people, not all people in general, just some.


Great bunch of self-righteousness... Do you feel like you are a superior person because you SAY that you don't hate?

"So i had to look at where you are from, and i was not suprised to see it was Texas." - jthad1129

What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING?

Do you realize what an ignorant comment you just made? You claim that hating is bad and then you make a fucking ridiculous statement like that. I think that you need to look at what you are saying and how you are thinking.

There is nothing wrong with hating anything.

Some people admit that they "hate" and some like to pretend that they don't. For your edification, here is the definition of hate:

hate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ht)
v. hat·ed, hat·ing, hates
v. tr.

To feel hostility or animosity toward.

To detest.

To feel dislike or distaste for: hates washing dishes.

NOW TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS:

I feel animosity and hostility toward someone if they cut me off in traffic and nearly cause harm to my vehicle or my person. This is based out of self-preservation instincts. I feel hostility and animosity and I dislike them for nearly injuring me. I admit this and I am not ashamed to admit it.

I don't feel hostility toward others for disagreeing with me, but I get aggravated with people who act self-righteous and smug. There are always other sides to issues and I am happy to hear other viewpoints, so I never get mad at people who disagree with me.

It is not only okay to hate Saddam Hussein, but it is okay to hate whoever you choose. In the world of happy fairies and dancing pixies, hate and anger don't exist, but here in the real world it is a perfectly natural emotion.

It doesn't take any time or effort to hate. Hate is an emotion.

EDIT: Hating someone doesn't necessarily mean that you want to kill them or beat them up or whatever, it simply means that you detest them. Example: I detest murderers and thieves... one could say that I hate them. Would I go around killing them vigilante style? No... but I do hate them.

And apparently you hate Texans, jthad, as you said that you weren't surprised to see that I live in Texas. Is your place of residence morally superior to Texas? You talk about hate being bad and then you destroy any possible credibility that you could ever have with a bigoted comment like that.

Sigh...
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Reply #92 posted 11/20/02 7:33pm

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Great bunch of self-righteousness... Do you feel like you are a superior person because you SAY that you don't hate?

-See, I knew you would take it the wrong way. I really hated that movie, or I really hated that song but Hating that Mexican you were talking about. Do you know how ignorant THAT sounds. Tape record yourself and listen to it back.

"So i had to look at where you are from, and i was not suprised to see it was Texas."

What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING?

Do you realize what an ignorant comment you just made?

-I can just see a guy from Texas starting this thread about racism and hatred. It's called a sterotype, I don't need a definition, I already know what hate is and try to stay away from hating people (unless they kill my mom or something, then i would reconsider)

-Seems you want people to agree with you that hating people is OK, just so long as you don't hate a whole race of people. Wake up

There is nothing wrong with hating anything.

-no, just people


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Reply #93 posted 11/20/02 7:41pm

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LaVisHh said:

IceNine said:

LaVisHh said:

IceNine said:

LaVisHh said:

If you hate a person of a race, then yes. If you hate a person, then no.

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Let's say that I hate someone who is whatever race... that doesn't mean that I hate all people of that race, it means that I hate the dumb asshole who did something that made me hate them...

I hate people on an individual basis and don't engage in wholesale hating of entire races... damn, that would be a fucking stupid thing to do.


Precisely...therefore, why even mention his/her race? Just say I hate PersonsName...that's my point. wink


You are quite right... there is no need to mention someone's race at all... but it keeps coming up any time you say something about disliking someone.

If I said, "I have Michael Jordan" many people would call me a racist for some stupid fucking reason.

You see my point? I am talking about saying that you hate someone but not specifying their race at all and being called a racist because the person belonged to the white, black or other race.


Yes, I do.

Want me to give it to you plain and simple? I think those who cry race at the drop of a hat, tend to be sensitive to the issue. Whether the sensitivity came through experience, teachings, or media.

I believe that the way we all handle the way we think, is directly related to what's been fed into our minds since birth.

Here are some examples:

If you grow up overweight and get teased all your life because of it, you become sensitive with regards to weight. You hear people talking nasty about someone large, the first thing you think is, "they don't like him/her because he/she is overweight".

If you have been taught that you will be judged by the color of your skin, then you become sensitive to that.

So if you see people expressing dislike or anger towards a person, the most obvious characteristic about them is their appearance.


You are so very right LaVish, and I don't think alot of people realize this. The reason why black people are sooo sensitive to the race issue is because it's been thrown in our faces sooo many times, now and in the past -- particularly the Jim Crow laws "White Only" "Negros Only". The laws may have changed but the mentality of some have not.

Example: I took my daughters and about 15 other little girls to a very nice hotel in a very white suburb about 2 years ago for a sleepover. While we were in the pool the maintenance man and manager came to the side where I was standing overseeing the girls and scooped up a vial of water as if to examine it for contamination. Previous to this the manager constantly complained that the girls were making too much noise and were disburbing the other guests of the hotel. Well, this is a swimming pool and we are paying guest also. But I kept my cool because I did not want to destroy the fun all the girls were having. But to insinuate that my girls were contaminating their pool was almost to much for me to bear and I had to bite my lips and touch to keep from telling that asshole where he could stick his fucking vial.

This is not an obsolete occurance. Things like this happen to black people everyday.

Have you had a chance to see the movie "Bamboozled" where the main characters are black people in "black face". This movie touches on the the sensitivity of the race issue that has been used to degrade blacks since we were shipped here. And if it appears that some black people are sensitive to the race thang, well, we have a right to be considering our history. We were once classified as 1/5 human, and sometimes I believe people still believe this is so.

But to answer your question Ice, no I do not believe that just because you hate a person of a particular race then you're a racist, that's crazy. IMO, one would have to show a consistancy of negativity towards a particular race to be considered a racist.
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Reply #94 posted 11/20/02 7:44pm

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jthad1129 said:

IceNine Said:

Great bunch of self-righteousness... Do you feel like you are a superior person because you SAY that you don't hate?

jthad said:

-See, I knew you would take it the wrong way. I really hated that movie, or I really hated that song but Hating that Mexican you were talking about. Do you know how ignorant THAT sounds. Tape record yourself and listen to it back.

IceNine Replied:


***I was referring to hating a person that just so happened to be of Hispanic origins, not hating "that Mexican." You were just guilty of EXACTLY what I was talking about. If I hate a person that happens to be of one race or another it does not mean that I hate all members of their race. You just said that I was ignorant for saying that. Do you realize how ignorant you just sounded?

jthad continued:


IceNine said:

"So i had to look at where you are from, and i was not suprised to see it was Texas." - jthad

What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING?

Do you realize what an ignorant comment you just made?

jthad said:

-I can just see a guy from Texas starting this thread about racism and hatred. It's called a sterotype, I don't need a definition, I already know what hate is and try to stay away from hating people (unless they kill my mom or something, then i would reconsider)

IceNine Replied:


You are the one guilty of stereotyping. I did not post any stereotypes of anything or anyone on this thread. Your "I was not surprised to see it was Texas" comment was quite clearly stereotyping.

jthad continued:


-Seems you want people to agree with you that hating people is OK, just so long as you don't hate a whole race of people. Wake up

IceNine Replied:


I don't care who agrees with me and who doesn't. If anyone needs to wake up it is you, because you seem to think that your opinion is the rule of law, thus you use a phrase such as "wake up." Hate is simply a stronger word for dislike and it is perfectly acceptable to dislike and hate a person but it is unacceptable to hate or dislike someone simply because they are members of a different race. It is not a complex idea, jthad.

jthad continued:


IceNine said:

There is nothing wrong with hating anything.

jthad said:

-no, just people

simma down now and don't get all hot and bothered, thought we were just disscussing

IceNine Replied:


Your reply seemed very self-righteous and you also stereotyped people from Texas. Thinking that people from Texas must be some certain way is very bigoted.

I don't want to argue, but I think that your viewpoints are very weak and your logic is suspect at best.


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Reply #95 posted 11/20/02 7:45pm

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00769BAD said:

SuperiorTe said:

CHEECHWIZARD said:

i is gives a fuck about nobody
you is all da cheeze round da old
mans uncircumsize dick!!!
LOVE ME
LOVE ME
LOVE ME
LOVE ME



ok shit-for-brains.

i don't spend a whole lot of time readin your shit,
but i notice you put in alot of work fuckin with my partner CHEECH, to that end i say you need to check your self.
i mean, for someone who spends the majority if the day eatin pussy cause you got a problem gettin your dick hard,
(i know you didn't think we was goin for that 'spoil your wife shit) and the rest of the time talkin out your ass,
you really ain't in position to throw around insults.


ROFLMAO - damn!


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Reply #96 posted 11/20/02 8:38pm

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NuPwrSoul said:

SuperiorTe said:

I think racism is often in the minds of the "victims" like an inferiority complex.


Just like racism is in the mind of the perpetrator like a superiority complex.


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Reply #97 posted 11/20/02 8:42pm

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00769BAD said:

SuperiorTe said:

CHEECHWIZARD said:

i is gives a fuck about nobody
you is all da cheeze round da old
mans uncircumsize dick!!!
LOVE ME
LOVE ME
LOVE ME
LOVE ME



ok shit-for-brains.

i don't spend a whole lot of time readin your shit,
but i notice you put in alot of work fuckin with my partner CHEECH, to that end i say you need to check your self.
i mean, for someone who spends the majority if the day eatin pussy cause you got a problem gettin your dick hard,
(i know you didn't think we was goin for that 'spoil your wife shit) and the rest of the time talkin out your ass,
you really ain't in position to throw around insults.


Dayum marinatted and fricasseed
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Reply #98 posted 11/20/02 10:33pm

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IceNine said:


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Do you think that it is possible that people might dislike certain PEOPLE of other races but not entire RACES of people, and might not the dislike that they feel be related to actions performed by the person and not generalize to the entire race? I think that this is so.
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It's called projection; hating one person for a reason (usually a childish one) sets up some sort of psychological filter, projecting your anxieties and your inability to deal with the situation onto the the racial/cultural difference existing between you and the person you hate. Plus, to keep your mind in some sort of sanity, you'll have a need to explain your hatred.
So, from 'i hate him' it'll become 'i hate him because he's white/catholic (fill in your difference)'
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Reply #99 posted 11/21/02 12:59am

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SweeTea said:


Example: I took my daughters and about 15 other little girls to a very nice hotel in a very white suburb about 2 years ago for a sleepover. While we were in the pool the maintenance man and manager came to the side where I was standing overseeing the girls and scooped up a vial of water as if to examine it for contamination. Previous to this the manager constantly complained that the girls were making too much noise and were disburbing the other guests of the hotel. Well, this is a swimming pool and we are paying guest also. But I kept my cool because I did not want to destroy the fun all the girls were having. But to insinuate that my girls were contaminating their pool was almost to much for me to bear and I had to bite my lips and touch to keep from telling that asshole where he could stick his fucking vial.

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On the other hand you may have seen insunuation where there was none, He may have simply been checking the chlorine levels were safe/correct in the pool.

If the manager of a hotel receives a complaint from a guest about noisy kids, he's obliged to raise the issue with the parents of the disruptive kids.I bet the guy did this on a daily basis to white families too.

I could be wrong though, he may well have been a racist asshole for all i know.
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Reply #100 posted 11/21/02 4:43am

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I HATE anyone that drives way BELOW the speed level. If it says 35,go at least 35! Makes me wanna SCREAM and plow my car into theirs. lol
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Reply #101 posted 11/21/02 5:27am

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IceNine said:

It seems that some people don't understand that you can dislike someone who is not of the same race as you without being a racist.


Then some people need to wake up!
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Reply #102 posted 11/21/02 5:59am

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Diva said:

IceNine said:

It seems that some people don't understand that you can dislike someone who is not of the same race as you without being a racist.


Then some people need to wake up!


Right... but it is a very real fact that many people will try to turn something into a race issue if you say anything against a single person of another race... not the race, just the person.

Somehow, in the minds of many people, you cannot say anything against anyone outside of your race or you are a racist. I have seen it a good number of times... sad, really.
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Reply #103 posted 11/21/02 6:18am

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IceNine said:

Diva said:

IceNine said:

It seems that some people don't understand that you can dislike someone who is not of the same race as you without being a racist.


Then some people need to wake up!


Right... but it is a very real fact that many people will try to turn something into a race issue if you say anything against a single person of another race... not the race, just the person.

Somehow, in the minds of many people, you cannot say anything against anyone outside of your race or you are a racist. I have seen it a good number of times... sad, really.


It is really sad... but often if that's the kind of conclusion they're going to reach, (without any kind of evidence) then it truly says a lot more about them than the person they're calling a racist.

Racism is deplorable, and it will never make any sense to me... and calling someone a racist based on the circumstances you have described is also nonsensical.
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Reply #104 posted 11/21/02 7:11am

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Reply #105 posted 11/21/02 8:54am

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wow - lots of posts.

my tuppence/dime/euro's worth:

It's not how many people you hate that makes you a racist, it's WHY you hate them.

I might hate all eskimos (trying to be neutral-ish here wink) but that doesn't make me a racists unless I hate them BECAUSE they're eskimos (I might just hate them because they east meat - stupid, but not racist).

But if I hate only one black person BECAUSE s/he's black, then I'm as much a racists as anyone can be.

Mind you, if I hate one black person because s/he's black then I'll probably hate all black people. But still, it's WHY I hate them, not how many of them I hate that's the important thing.

I'm off to talk some sense now...
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Reply #106 posted 11/21/02 9:16am

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eg: I don´t give $ to a black guy beggin for change cuz he´s black, its cuz I´m poor.
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