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Hawaii Did you know...
That: On Jan. 17, 1893, at dusk, Queen Lili`uokalani yielded her throne under protest, with these words:
"I, Lili`uokalani, by the grace of God and under the constitution of the Hawaiian Kingdom, Queen, do hereby solemnly protest against any and all acts done against myself and the constitutional government of the Hawaiian Kingdom by certain persons claiming to have established a Provisional Government of and for this Kingdom. "That I yield to the superior force of the United States of America, whose Minister Plenipotentiary, His Excellency John L. Stevens, has caused United States troops to be landed at Honolulu and declared that he would support the said Provisional Government. "Now, to avoid any collision of armed forces and perhaps loss of life, I do, under this protest, and impelled by said forces, yield my authority until such time as the Government of the United States shall, upon the facts being presented to it, undo the action of its representative and reinstate me in the authority which I claim as the constitutional sovereign of the Hawaiian Islands." 
Do you think this is actually what took place? Do you think the same thing could happen today, if this happened? I believe it to be true, as there are many songs this queen wrote before passing, while held in her home - songs that literally make me 
Did you know that Native Hawaiians have been peacefully fighting for Hawaiian sovereignty? What do you think about this? Do you think they will succeed? This was taken from: http://www.hawaii-nation.org/soa.html | |
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Why did America decide to steal Hawaii from the native inhabitants? Did America simply believe it to be a strategic location for a military base, or were we just terribly interested in geological events and decided to steal the land because it is over a geological hot-spot? SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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IceNine said: Why did America decide to steal Hawaii from the native inhabitants? Did America simply believe it to be a strategic location for a military base, or were we just terribly interested in geological events and decided to steal the land because it is over a geological hot-spot?
I won't get into the details of the time prior to sugars introduction, only because that would take far too long...so... Because of its fertile soil, Hawaii was considered the perfect place to make MONEY by growing sugar cane - and it was, as many became millionaire's at the expense of the land, and thousands of Native Hawaiian's who had not been exposed to the germs they brought by bringing in people from throughout the world to work there. However, in the end, it was the location of the Hawaiian Islands, in the middle of the Pacific ocean, that made it the perfect place for refueling of ships and/or aircraft. Japan wanted it too... | |
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LaVisHh said: However, in the end, it was the location of the Hawaiian Islands, in the middle of the Pacific ocean, that made it the perfect place for refueling of ships and/or aircraft. Japan wanted it too...
That is what I thought... military reasons. Isn't it cool when other nations want to take away someone's homeland so that they can more efficiently kill people in another country? SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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LaVisHh said: Because of its fertile soil, Hawaii was considered the perfect place to make MONEY by growing sugar cane
Is this why americans are so fat?  ==========================
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IceNine said: That is what I thought... military reasons.
Isn't it cool when other nations want to take away someone's homeland so that they can more efficiently kill people in another country? Or even better, protect their own? | |
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Boob said:[quote] LaVisHh said: Is this why americans are so fat?
Probably not...since all of Hawaii's sugar plantations closed some years ago. | |
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LaVisHh said: IceNine said: That is what I thought... military reasons.
Isn't it cool when other nations want to take away someone's homeland so that they can more efficiently kill people in another country? Or even better, protect their own? That's the beauty of it, isn't it? Would it have changed anything for America if Japan had taken over Hawaii to protect their own instead of American taking over? What would things have been like if Japan had been the one to take over the islands? SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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IceNine said: That's the beauty of it, isn't it? Would it have changed anything for America if Japan had taken over Hawaii to protect their own instead of American taking over? What would things have been like if Japan had been the one to take over the islands? 
I am not a good historian on politics...so this is merely a guess. Japan seemed to have wanted the entire Pacific under their belt - so, in theory, if Hawaii was not an interest, or the eventual property of the United States - Japan wouldn't be so small and humble. The attack on the islands by Japan would not have taken place, therefore no drop of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, which in an awful way - stopped Japan from invading so many other countries... Japan might have been as "powerful" (I quoted cuz I HATED saying that) as the United States. again... | |
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Sometimes I wish that Hawaii had remained a sovereign nation, like Fiji and Tonga. "When they tell me 2 walk a straight line, I put on crooked shoes" | |
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TheMax said: Sometimes I wish that Hawaii had remained a sovereign nation, like Fiji and Tonga.
True, and is a tough battle to have sovereignity be granted, but I admire the Hawaiian people for going about it by avoiding any violence, becoming well educated in the law, and never giving up.  | |
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There has been a profound loss of cultural identity in Hawaii. When I visit Hawaii, the Polynesian stuff feels like a sideshow to me. It has been commercialized, sterilized, sensationalized - nearly ruined for me.
By contrast, it's amazing to see that in other Pacific islands, the people still speak their native language - Tahiti, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, etc. I'm not sure how much of that had to do with "statehood" - a relatively recent event - vs. Hawaii's unique, middle of the Pacific location that long ago brought hoardes of people (including my ancestors) from virtually everywhere to make it their new home. What's done is done. There are still several underexploited, beautiful areas in Hawaii. ___ "When they tell me 2 walk a straight line, I put on crooked shoes" | |
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TheMax said: There has been a profound loss of cultural identity in Hawaii. When I visit Hawaii, the Polynesian stuff feels like a sideshow to me. It has been commercialized, sterilized, sensationalized - nearly ruined for me.
By contrast, it's amazing to see that in other Pacific islands, the people still speak their native language - Tahiti, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, etc. I'm not sure how much of that had to do with "statehood" - a relatively recent event - vs. Hawaii's unique, middle of the Pacific location that long ago brought hoardes of people (including my ancestors) from virtually everywhere to make it their new home. What's done is done. There are still several underexploited, beautiful areas in Hawaii. ___ I agree. The island people know it is the double-edged sword called tourism that has basically ruined much of Hawaii. Unfortunately, after the sugar industries closed - tourism became the number one means of income to the islands. 
Even more astounding, is that the Hawaiian people - despite millions (perhaps even billions) who have touched upon the islands - have still managed to preserve their native tongue. The Hawaiian language is alive and well...they are just bilingual now.
Niihau is owned by a Hawaiian family - and is exclusive. To visit, you must be invited.
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Hawaii is such a beautiful place, hope 2 go there some day. | |
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