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Thread started 10/27/02 7:28pm

teller

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Could Superman be hurt by a lightsaber?

The answer, I think, is an obvious YES. It would cut right through his "super" flesh like a hot knife through butter.

Only easier.
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Reply #1 posted 10/27/02 7:30pm

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A light saber would cut superman up quick!
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Reply #2 posted 10/27/02 7:39pm

teller

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Alrighty then...not much more to say about the topic. I mean obviously a lightsaber would have no problem with say:

Steve Austin, the 6 million dollar man. Sliced to pieces easily.

Kitt, the Knight Rider car. Sure, he's got a molecular bondage shell, but do you think that will stop a lightsaber? Get real...

Batman...please. :slice:
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Reply #3 posted 10/27/02 7:56pm

Natsume

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I don't like this talk of slicing up my Superman evil
I mean, like, where is the sun?
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Reply #4 posted 10/27/02 9:04pm

madcapxtc

teller said:

The answer, I think, is an obvious YES. It would cut right through his "super" flesh like a hot knife through butter.

Only easier.


Sorry 2 disappoint u, but actually he could NOT b hurt by a light saber. The reason is dat Superman is not protected by a "superhardskin" but by an energy field dat can stop just ANYTHING from lightsaber 2 nuclear radiation...
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Reply #5 posted 10/28/02 5:19am

teller

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madcapxtc said:

teller said:

The answer, I think, is an obvious YES. It would cut right through his "super" flesh like a hot knife through butter.

Only easier.


Sorry 2 disappoint u, but actually he could NOT b hurt by a light saber. The reason is dat Superman is not protected by a "superhardskin" but by an energy field dat can stop just ANYTHING from lightsaber 2 nuclear radiation...
Hey look, the only thing a lightsaber can't cut through is another lightsaber. It's powered by the FORCE. Superman is powered by our yellow sun. Hmmm...
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Reply #6 posted 10/30/02 9:27am

madcapxtc

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madcapxtc said:

teller said:

The answer, I think, is an obvious YES. It would cut right through his "super" flesh like a hot knife through butter.

Only easier.


Sorry 2 disappoint u, but actually he could NOT b hurt by a light saber. The reason is dat Superman is not protected by a "superhardskin" but by an energy field dat can stop just ANYTHING from lightsaber 2 nuclear radiation...
Hey look, the only thing a lightsaber can't cut through is another lightsaber. It's powered by the FORCE. Superman is powered by our yellow sun. Hmmm...


WHERE have u seen dat litesabers were powered by the force ? It's just a weapon dat could b used by anybody. The reason it's not bein dat if u're not a Jedi it's waaay simpler 2 use a laser gun than 2 learn how 2 use a saber properly.
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Reply #7 posted 10/30/02 12:41pm

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What if the crystal that powered the lightsabre was Kryptonite?

Besides Darth Vader could kill him just thinking "Die you tight wearing pussy".
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Reply #8 posted 10/30/02 1:05pm

JediMaster

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Okay, I'll settle this, since I know a thing or two about lightsabers.

First off, lightsabers are NOT powered by the force. It takes the training of a Jedi to learn to build one, and to properly wield one. This having been said, lightsabers can be picked up and ignited by anyone (Han Solo used Luke's in "The Empire Strikes Back" with no problem at all). While some Jedi in the Old Republic rigged theirs with booby traps so that only they could use them, this was rather rare. It was generally thought that if you fell in combat, if another Jedi had lost his saber he/she should be able to pick yours up and use it. It would certainly not be wise for a non-Jedi to use a lightsaber, but not impossible.

Second, and most important, is the Superman issue. Superman comes from a solar system with a red sun. His Kryptonian physiology, under a red sun, makes him as powerless as a human. Once he was sent to Earth, his Kryptonian cells were energized by the yellow sun (the radiation emitted from a yellow sun affects a Kryptonian completely differently than it does a human). The result of this infusion of energy into his cells led to super-human powers (flight, x-ray vision, heat vision, super-breath, speed, augmented strength and invulnerability). Superman's body projects an energy field, which gives him his invulnerability. This field is nigh-on impossible to penetrate, thus his uniform is rarely damaged (and if the uniform is actually damaged, then you know it was from a force that actually managed to get through the field at least somewhat, so Superman at least felt it, if nothing else).

Now, Superman does have a few things that can harm him. There are different forms of Kryptonite, a meteorite substance that came to Earth from the destruction of Krypton, which can reak havoc with his powers. Green Kryptonite is the most common, and the most deadly. The radiation from green kryptonite reacts with Superman's physiology, causing sickness (and with prolonged exposure, death). Supe's is also vulnerable to most forms of magic, which is why Wonder Woman's lasso would actually hold him if she were to use it against him.

It could be argued that the definition of "magic" in the DC universe is similar to that of "The Force" in Star Wars mythology, so Superman could be vulnerable to the Force lightning that the Sith lords manifest (possibly). This is probably the only out and out way that a Jedi/Sith would be able to fight Supes (unless, of course, they were to lure him to a solar system with a red sun).

A lightsaber uses a rare type of crystal to produce its blade, and in the Star Wars universe, there is no substance that can withstand the blade, other than another lightsaber. HOWEVER, there are examples in the Star Wars universe of similar laser projection weapons being able to block a blade (the laser fields in The Phantom menace spring to mind). Since Lightsabers are, essentially, laser weapons, they would deflect each other. Now, Superman's field has deflected lazers, energy projectiles, and even nuclear blasts, so it is fairly certain that a lightsaber blade would be unable to penetrate it. Even suppossing that it could actually get through the field somewhat, it would still be primarily deflected. It would be quite a stretch to say that a lightsaber could actually nick Supes, much less cut him.

Okay, so how would a Jedi (or more likely, A Sith), be able to defeat Superman? There are a couple of different ways. I already mentioned the Force Lightning, as well as luring him to a red-sun world, so I'll skip those. If a Sith could find a way to incorporate green Kryptonite into the focusing crystal, then he would have a formidable weapon. The blade would emit radiation that is harmful to Superman, and would probably be able to get through his field. It would still take a whole lot of hacking to really put any kind of real hurt on Supes, but it would harm him. This is all assuming, of course, that a Sith would be able to find any Kryptonite, which is also unlikely since Kryptonite came to Earth in the wake of the ship that carried the Infant Kal-El away from Krypton. Krypton, while quite a ways away, is still in our Galaxy, while the events in Star Wars happened a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
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Reply #9 posted 10/30/02 1:09pm

JediMaster

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Thecherryloon said:

What if the crystal that powered the lightsabre was Kryptonite?

Besides Darth Vader could kill him just thinking "Die you tight wearing pussy".


Well, as I stated, it takes a very specific form of crystal to make a lightsaber blade. If Kryptonite could be incorporated, it would have to be used in tandem with the regular crystal, so it wouldn't make up the sum of the lightsaber. Only a fraction of the crystal would be Kryptonite. it is doubtful that Kryptonite would be compatible with the lightsaber technology anyway, since it emits its own light. This would, more than likely, interfere with the laser producing qualities of the lightsaber crystals.
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Reply #10 posted 10/30/02 1:10pm

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Sez you, Jedi...
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Reply #11 posted 10/30/02 1:49pm

teller

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Thanks for the post, JediMaster. smile

Hmmm...well, Superman might be able to deflect lasers and nuclear blasts and such, but a lightsaber blade...man...that shit has some serious cutting power. You sure it wouldn't at least cause some harm?

Also, couldn't Vader choke Superman with the force? Size matters not == invulnerability matters not?
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Reply #12 posted 10/30/02 3:26pm

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teller said:

Thanks for the post, JediMaster. smile

Hmmm...well, Superman might be able to deflect lasers and nuclear blasts and such, but a lightsaber blade...man...that shit has some serious cutting power. You sure it wouldn't at least cause some harm?

Also, couldn't Vader choke Superman with the force? Size matters not == invulnerability matters not?


Hmmm, interesting quandry. I don't think that Vader could actually choke Supes per say, since Superman can survive in the vacuum of space. Constricting his airflow wouldn't actually harm him if he can go without breathing for that long. I do think a really powerful Jedi, on the level with Yoda, could probably seriously slow him down with use of the Force. In the books, there is a Jedi of the old republic named Vergere who learns to manipulate the molecular composition of her tears. By doing this, she is actually able to produce anti-toxins and other medicines from her own body. Now, someone on Yoda's level would definitely know how to to something like this. If Yoda could find out the composition of Kryptonite, he could, theoretically, create it by altering another substance at the molecular level. This, of course, would be incredibly difficult, and would seriously tax his strength, but he could do it.

Of course, if The Force and Magic are, essentially, different aspects of the same thing, then Superman would be totally vulnerable to it. A Sith lord on the level of Dooku, or Palpatine, could fling Force lightning at him, and really fuck him up. He would be just as vulnerable to its effects as Luke was. The firepower of a Star Destoyer would also hurt him, even if it wouldn't kill him.

Now the REAL question is, would Superman be able to survive a blast from the Death Star? I tend to think not, since it destroyed an entire planet. If it didn't kill Supes, it would at least mess him up pretty badly.
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Reply #13 posted 10/30/02 3:34pm

teller

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JediMaster said:

Now the REAL question is, would Superman be able to survive a blast from the Death Star? I tend to think not, since it destroyed an entire planet. If it didn't kill Supes, it would at least mess him up pretty badly.
The Death Star...it's a LOT worse than a nuclear blast...a LOT. I tend to think it would vaporize Superman. But I'm biased I guess...Star Wars is the ultimate while Superman is only cool.

But this makes me wonder...could a lightsaber deflect a Death Star blast? I guess not...since the blast is likely something like several miles wide and would anull the Jedi wielding said lightsaber.
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Reply #14 posted 10/30/02 3:46pm

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teller said:

The Death Star...it's a LOT worse than a nuclear blast...a LOT. I tend to think it would vaporize Superman. But I'm biased I guess...Star Wars is the ultimate while Superman is only cool.

But this makes me wonder...could a lightsaber deflect a Death Star blast? I guess not...since the blast is likely something like several miles wide and would anull the Jedi wielding said lightsaber.


I would think that a lightsaber wouldn't have a chance in hell against that much firepower. Likewise, I think Supes would definitely bite the big one if he was blasted by the Death Star. That's just too much firepower for his body to take.
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Reply #15 posted 10/31/02 8:45am

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I just realized a paradox here:

1. A lightsaber can stop force-lightning
2. Superman can stop a lightsaber
3. But Superman can't stop force-lightning

We could play scissors-rock-paper using Dooku and Superman as pawns! :LOL:
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Reply #16 posted 11/01/02 3:02pm

madcapxtc

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I just realized a paradox here:

1. A lightsaber can stop force-lightning
2. Superman can stop a lightsaber
3. But Superman can't stop force-lightning

We could play scissors-rock-paper using Dooku and Superman as pawns! :LOL:



He only couln't stop a force lightning IF a force lighning is considered magic according 2 the DC Universe laws. & this we don't know... Anyway that makes sense considering he can't resist magic but can resist a nuke bomb.

Which leads me 2 another question 4 Jedi Master : how come dis bastard who killed Supes in 1993 (eye 4got his name) could do with his sole fists what a nuke can't ? & could the so-said bastard resist a blast from the death star ?
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Reply #17 posted 11/07/02 9:50am

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madcapxtc said:

teller said:

I just realized a paradox here:

1. A lightsaber can stop force-lightning
2. Superman can stop a lightsaber
3. But Superman can't stop force-lightning

We could play scissors-rock-paper using Dooku and Superman as pawns! :LOL:



He only couln't stop a force lightning IF a force lighning is considered magic according 2 the DC Universe laws. & this we don't know... Anyway that makes sense considering he can't resist magic but can resist a nuke bomb.

Which leads me 2 another question 4 Jedi Master : how come dis bastard who killed Supes in 1993 (eye 4got his name) could do with his sole fists what a nuke can't ? & could the so-said bastard resist a blast from the death star ?


Well, the only readson Doomsday was able to "kill" Superman, was that he was (it was revealed much later) created in a lab on Krypton. Doomsday was essentially bred to be the ultimate weapon on Krypton, and his strength was made to increase as he faced different foes (i.e., he adapts to his foes strength, so that whatever harms him will not be able to a second time). Now, you factor in that he was created with Kryptonian cells, which become more powerful under a yellow sun, and you have a being that is proportionately much stronger than Supes. His natural "force field" wouldn't mean squat when facing a beng that strong.

I'm fairly certain that Doomsday would be messed up pretty bad by the Death Star ray. I doubt, however, that it would kill him. He'd probably appear to be dead for quite some time, until his regenerative abilities repaired the damage.
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Reply #18 posted 11/07/02 10:25am

teller

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Technical details...geez...doesn't anyone want to picture the look of shock and dismay on Superman's face as he draws back a burnt stump caused by a lightsaber???
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Reply #19 posted 11/07/02 10:44am

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Anyone who flies around in their underpants can't be that tough!
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Reply #20 posted 11/07/02 11:07am

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Anyone who flies around in their underpants can't be that tough!


Maybe he's so tough, it doesn't matter if he flies around in his underpants! ever think of that?
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Reply #21 posted 11/17/02 8:23pm

madcapxtc

JediMaster said:

madcapxtc said:

teller said:

I just realized a paradox here:

1. A lightsaber can stop force-lightning
2. Superman can stop a lightsaber
3. But Superman can't stop force-lightning

We could play scissors-rock-paper using Dooku and Superman as pawns! :LOL:



He only couln't stop a force lightning IF a force lighning is considered magic according 2 the DC Universe laws. & this we don't know... Anyway that makes sense considering he can't resist magic but can resist a nuke bomb.

Which leads me 2 another question 4 Jedi Master : how come dis bastard who killed Supes in 1993 (eye 4got his name) could do with his sole fists what a nuke can't ? & could the so-said bastard resist a blast from the death star ?


Well, the only readson Doomsday was able to "kill" Superman, was that he was (it was revealed much later) created in a lab on Krypton. Doomsday was essentially bred to be the ultimate weapon on Krypton, and his strength was made to increase as he faced different foes (i.e., he adapts to his foes strength, so that whatever harms him will not be able to a second time). Now, you factor in that he was created with Kryptonian cells, which become more powerful under a yellow sun, and you have a being that is proportionately much stronger than Supes. His natural "force field" wouldn't mean squat when facing a beng that strong.

I'm fairly certain that Doomsday would be messed up pretty bad by the Death Star ray. I doubt, however, that it would kill him. He'd probably appear to be dead for quite some time, until his regenerative abilities repaired the damage.


Thanx 4 the xplanation, eye didn't know about Doomsday's origin.
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