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4LOVE

It Ain't Over,Bin Laden(kinda Long)

Arab Station Airs Audio Tape With Voice Attributed To Osama Bin Laden


CAIRO, EGYPT, NOV. 12, 2002 (CBS News) - U.S. analysts believe it's no coincidence that on the day Saddam Hussein was making up his mind on whether to go to war or not, Osama Bin Laden dramatically reminded the U.S. and its allies they still have him to contend with, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In an audio-taped message aired across the Arab world Tuesday, a voice purported to be that of Osama bin Laden praised terrorist strikes in Bali and Moscow and warned U.S. allies against following the "oppresive American government" in the war against terror.

If bin Laden's voice is authenticated, his references to recent events would be the clearest indication the terrorist mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks survived U.S. airstrikes in Afghanistan last year.

In a rambling statement, the speaker on the tape broadcast on Al-Jazeera television refered to events which have happened since "the battles of New York and Washington," including the Oct. 12 Bali bombings, the killing last month of a Marine in Kuwait, the bombing of a French oil tanker last month off Yemen and the Chechen hostage taking in Moscow.


He said the attacks were "undertaken by sons who are zealous in the defense of their religion," and that they were "only a reaction in response to what (President) Bush, the pharaoh of the age, is doing by killing our sons in Iraq and what America's ally Israel is doing, bombarding houses with women and old people and children inside with American planes."

"Our people in Palestine are being killed, are being subjected to the worse kind of suffering for almost a century now," the speaker said. "If we defend our people in Palestine the world is disturbed and allied against Muslims under the banner of combating terrorism."

The speaker then castigated U.S. allies that have joined the war against terrorism, specifically Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia.

After listing those countries, he warned: "If you don't like looking at your dead...so remember our dead, including the children in Iraq."

"What business do your governments have to ally themselves with the gang of criminality in the White House against Muslims? Don't your governments know that the White House gang is the biggest serial killers in this age?"

The speaker said "we had warned Australia before it participated in Afghanistan" because of its support for East Timor's campaign for independence from Muslim Indonesia.

"It ignored the warning until it woke up to the sounds of explosions in Bali and then its government, falsely claimed that they were not targeted," the speaker said.

Ports along the English channel are already on a high state of alert following intelligence reports that al-Qaeda operatives could be planning to smuggle a truck packed with explosives onto a ferry, reports CBS News Foreign Correspondent Tom Fenton.

British ports have been holding emergency drills to prepare for the worst.
But security experts warned that terrorists may strike where they are least expected.

"There is a credible threat of a terrorist incident in the UK. The key is for people not to become preoccupied with one particular type of terror threat, say anthrax," said disaster planner Richard Fenning.

In Washington, intelligence officials were evaluating the tape to verify bin Laden's voice, according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity.

American officials have not verified bin Laden's whereabouts this year. The last certain evidence bin Laden was alive was a videotape of him having dinner with some of his deputies, which is believed to have been filmed on Nov. 9, 2001.

Audio recordings are easier to make than videotapes which could reveal whether bin Laden is injured, has significantly altered his looks, or is in a vulnerable location that could be given away in a video appearance.

In September, the Al-Jazeera network aired voice recordings of bin Laden and top al-Qaida operatives. The CIA authenticated bin Laden's voice then, but officials said the recordings probably weren't made recently.

Those statements came out around the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and the start of the war in Afghanistan.

Al-Qaida operatives thought to be alive because of their recent recordings include bin Laden's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahri, and his spokesman Sulaiman Abu Ghaith.

In the al-Zawahri recording, obtained by Associated Press Television News in early October, he spoke about Iraq, accused Washington of seeking to subjugate the Arab world on behalf of Israel — America's strongest supporter in the region — and tried to assure followers that bin Laden was alive and well.

Experts say bin Laden's al-Qaida network is on a renewed public relations campaign aimed at keeping itself in the public eye and associated with events, such as a possible war in Iraq, which could turn the Arab public against the United States.


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Reply #1 posted 11/12/02 5:49pm

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We'll be lucky to see the end of this nightmare in our lifetime. This shit is gonna last for years. God help us.
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Reply #2 posted 11/12/02 6:47pm

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Just when Muslim countries were starting to get some international support, Bin Laden comes out and alienates everybody else. He would have been better off trying to play everybody against the US. Plus, he don't give a damn about Iraq, Palestine...it's just an excuse to rally other Muslim extremists under his banner.
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Reply #3 posted 11/12/02 7:07pm

4LOVE

divo02 said:

Just when Muslim countries were starting to get some international support, Bin Laden comes out and alienates everybody else. He would have been better off trying to play everybody against the US. Plus, he don't give a damn about Iraq, Palestine...it's just an excuse to rally other Muslim extremists under his banner.


It's gonna work for him.Most of those countries are already anti U.S.He'll use this to fuel sympathy for his cause in the middle east.
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Reply #4 posted 11/12/02 8:46pm

Paisley

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

We'll be lucky to see the end of this nightmare in our lifetime. This shit is gonna last for years. God help us.

Ur right, it's never going 2 end.
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Reply #5 posted 11/12/02 10:00pm

2the9s

What the hell. I think it's about time somebody actually responded to Bin Laden. Sometimes even a sociopath just needs to be listened to. hug :

Osama Bin

Laden said:

In an audio-taped message aired across the Arab world Tuesday, a voice purported to be that of Osama bin Laden praised terrorist strikes in Bali and Moscow and warned U.S. allies against following the "oppresive American government" in the war against terror.


Yeah, the American government is oppressive. Tell that to the Afghani or Saudi women and men or the Iraqi people as a whole, who are starving so that Saddam Hussein can have another palace.

In a rambling statement, the speaker on the tape broadcast on Al-Jazeera television refered to events which have happened since "the battles of New York and Washington," including the Oct. 12 Bali bombings, the killing last month of a Marine in Kuwait, the bombing of a French oil tanker last month off Yemen and the Chechen hostage taking in Moscow.


I'm sure you weren't rambling like the reporter said you were. You just had to cram all the nonsense that you just learned like ten minutes ago into something that could be understood by the morons of Al'Qaida. smile The line between rambling and megalomania is a fine one.

He said the attacks were "undertaken by sons who are zealous in the defense of their religion," and that they were "only a reaction in response


A "reaction in response"? WTF?

to what (President) Bush, the pharaoh of the age,


Pharaoh? Now you're starting to sound like soulpower here, Sammy. The word "pharaoh," according to some linguists, is a combination of the words Ra, the "sun" or "sun-god," and the article phe, "the," prefixed; hence phera, "the sun," or "the sun-god." Others speculate that the name derived from Perao, "the great house" = his majesty = in Turkish, "the Sublime Porte."

Now, you have got to be the first person ever to accuse George W. of being a "Sun God"! lol He barely graduated from Yale!

is doing by killing our sons in Iraq and what America's ally Israel is doing, bombarding houses with women and old people and children inside with American planes.


Suddenly they are your sons? I'm as agaisnt a war on Iraq as you are dipshit, mainly because I want them to smoke your ass out.

Our people in Palestine are being killed, are being subjected to the worse kind of suffering for almost a century now.


Hmmm, "a century"? You must be referring to the first wave of Jewish immigration to Palestine (or First Aliyah), where Jews were fleeing religious persecution in Europe. (And where those who remained died in the gas chambers.) It wasn't until much later in the "Holy Land" (why does that term more and more seem like a misnomer?) when actual violence erupted, though. Surely you aren't suggesting that mere proximity to Jews was and is a cause of suffering? confused

You need to step your ass away from the internet and get back to the Q'ran.

If we defend our people in Palestine the world is disturbed and allied against Muslims under the banner of combating terrorism.


Nobody's "allied against Muslims." Well, except maybe for Jerry Falwell. confused I tell you what, you can have him! biggrin

Anyway, is there a cause you won't hijack? What about the Basques? Or the Taiwanese? Or the Jews? (Oh, that's right, the whole anti-Semitism thing. Gotcha.)

Wake up and smell the hemlock, Socrates. You are using the Palestinians as cannon fodder in your insane Pan-Islamic vision of the world. They are victims of you! And of Jordan! And of Syria! (And of Israel and of Europe sigh )

After listing Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia, he warned: "If you don't like looking at your dead...so remember our dead, including the children in Iraq."


Where are you going with this?

What business do your governments have to ally themselves with the gang of criminality in the White House against Muslims?


Actually it's not against Muslims. It's against you. And the business they have is that you have been targetting them a lot longer than you have been targetting us. It's just that you're also a media whore and recognize that hitting the US will make your name. You're no better than the decadent Western culture you denounce, you lousy sack of shit.

Don't your governments know that the White House gang is the biggest serial killers in this age? We had warned Australia before it participated in Afghanistan" because of its support for East Timor's campaign for independence from Muslim Indonesia.


Okay, just so I get this straight. You are now targetting any country that supports independence movements around the globe? I mean I know that the history of East Timor is knee deep in British and Portuguese colonialism, but why don't you let the people decide?

It ignored the warning until it woke up to the sounds of explosions in Bali and then its government, falsely claimed that they were not targeted.


I know you mean "it" to refer to Ausralia, but "it" actually refers to Indonesia, whom we did indeed warn. I guess they doubted that there was anyone insane enough to actually carry out this mass murder. Way to prove them wrong. You are making your case every day.

Keep these communiques coming! And maybe you should use your cell phone to get these important messages out faster! biggrin
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Reply #6 posted 11/13/02 2:41am

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lol The allmighty 2the9s in full effect! You are saying some things in here that make sense... however, like usual, your message gets lost in a vast bunch of meaningless insults. Its time you get over your arrogance, man..
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Reply #7 posted 11/13/02 2:50am

2the9s

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Pharaoh? Now you're starting to sound like soulpower here, Sammy.


I guess you didn't like this, eh? lol
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Reply #8 posted 11/13/02 3:02am

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2the9s said:

2the9s said:

Pharaoh? Now you're starting to sound like soulpower here, Sammy.


I guess you didn't like this, eh? lol



I couldnt care less what how you Wannabe-newsman call me. No, I was refering to your way to debate with 4Love. Stuff like:

* "...all the nonsense you have just learned 10 minutes ago"
* "I'm against a war on Iraq as you are dipshit, mainly because I want them to smoke your ass out"
* "You need to step your ass away from the internet and get back to the Q'Ran"
* "...Its just that you are also a media-whore"
* "You lousy sack of shit"

Now who do you think you are? Step down a little bit and give people who think a little bit more respect. You sound like a little frustrated boy who cant get his point across. You dont need that man, you are not Aaron or Oceana
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Reply #9 posted 11/13/02 3:18am

2the9s

soulpower said:

2the9s said:

2the9s said:

Pharaoh? Now you're starting to sound like soulpower here, Sammy.


I guess you didn't like this, eh? lol



I couldnt care less what how you Wannabe-newsman call me. No, I was refering to your way to debate with 4Love. Stuff like:

* "...all the nonsense you have just learned 10 minutes ago"
* "I'm against a war on Iraq as you are dipshit, mainly because I want them to smoke your ass out"
* "You need to step your ass away from the internet and get back to the Q'Ran"
* "...Its just that you are also a media-whore"
* "You lousy sack of shit"

Now who do you think you are? Step down a little bit and give people who think a little bit more respect. You sound like a little frustrated boy who cant get his point across. You dont need that man, you are not Aaron or Oceana


Gosh thanks! rolleyes Although I am flattered to be compared to Aaron.

You engage in the same kind of ad hominem attacks, only you don't know it. Because you do so under the guise of "objectivity" and "journalistic talk." ("America sucks because of these random statistics! Don't get mad at me for saying it Americans. I just found this on the net!" -- right? wink ) I find that much more offensive because you are dismissing an entire country or race. It all but nullifies the few valid points that you make.

Too often on these boards we see people being condescending towards an entire nation or religion (whether America or Europe or Christianity or Islam or whatever) through their use of vague, over-generalized, and abstract language.

That kind of passive aggressive pseudo-think allows people (I'm not "necessariliy" saying you, buddy wink ) to make the most outrageous claims without having the balls to take responsibility for them.

At least I am offering my take on things and not hiding behind sweeping generalizations while claiming an omniscient point of view.

It's all in the grammar!

Also, please read carefully, Jimmy Olsen. I wasn't "debating" with 4Love. I was responding to Osama Bin Laden's comments.
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Reply #10 posted 11/13/02 4:16am

garganta

2the9s said:

What the hell. I think it's about time somebody actually responded to Bin Laden. Sometimes even a sociopath just needs to be listened to. hug :

Osama Bin

Laden said:

In an audio-taped message aired across the Arab world Tuesday, a voice purported to be that of Osama bin Laden praised terrorist strikes in Bali and Moscow and warned U.S. allies against following the "oppresive American government" in the war against terror.


Yeah, the American government is oppressive. Tell that to the Afghani or Saudi women and men or the Iraqi people as a whole, who are starving so that Saddam Hussein can have another palace.

In a rambling statement, the speaker on the tape broadcast on Al-Jazeera television refered to events which have happened since "the battles of New York and Washington," including the Oct. 12 Bali bombings, the killing last month of a Marine in Kuwait, the bombing of a French oil tanker last month off Yemen and the Chechen hostage taking in Moscow.


I'm sure you weren't rambling like the reporter said you were. You just had to cram all the nonsense that you just learned like ten minutes ago into something that could be understood by the morons of Al'Qaida. smile The line between rambling and megalomania is a fine one.

He said the attacks were "undertaken by sons who are zealous in the defense of their religion," and that they were "only a reaction in response


A "reaction in response"? WTF?

to what (President) Bush, the pharaoh of the age,


Pharaoh? Now you're starting to sound like soulpower here, Sammy. The word "pharaoh," according to some linguists, is a combination of the words Ra, the "sun" or "sun-god," and the article phe, "the," prefixed; hence phera, "the sun," or "the sun-god." Others speculate that the name derived from Perao, "the great house" = his majesty = in Turkish, "the Sublime Porte."

Now, you have got to be the first person ever to accuse George W. of being a "Sun God"! lol He barely graduated from Yale!

is doing by killing our sons in Iraq and what America's ally Israel is doing, bombarding houses with women and old people and children inside with American planes.


Suddenly they are your sons? I'm as agaisnt a war on Iraq as you are dipshit, mainly because I want them to smoke your ass out.

Our people in Palestine are being killed, are being subjected to the worse kind of suffering for almost a century now.


Hmmm, "a century"? You must be referring to the first wave of Jewish immigration to Palestine (or First Aliyah), where Jews were fleeing religious persecution in Europe. (And where those who remained died in the gas chambers.) It wasn't until much later in the "Holy Land" (why does that term more and more seem like a misnomer?) when actual violence erupted, though. Surely you aren't suggesting that mere proximity to Jews was and is a cause of suffering? confused

You need to step your ass away from the internet and get back to the Q'ran.

If we defend our people in Palestine the world is disturbed and allied against Muslims under the banner of combating terrorism.


Nobody's "allied against Muslims." Well, except maybe for Jerry Falwell. confused I tell you what, you can have him! biggrin

Anyway, is there a cause you won't hijack? What about the Basques? Or the Taiwanese? Or the Jews? (Oh, that's right, the whole anti-Semitism thing. Gotcha.)

Wake up and smell the hemlock, Socrates. You are using the Palestinians as cannon fodder in your insane Pan-Islamic vision of the world. They are victims of you! And of Jordan! And of Syria! (And of Israel and of Europe sigh )

After listing Britain, France, Italy, Canada, Germany and Australia, he warned: "If you don't like looking at your dead...so remember our dead, including the children in Iraq."


Where are you going with this?

What business do your governments have to ally themselves with the gang of criminality in the White House against Muslims?


Actually it's not against Muslims. It's against you. And the business they have is that you have been targetting them a lot longer than you have been targetting us. It's just that you're also a media whore and recognize that hitting the US will make your name. You're no better than the decadent Western culture you denounce, you lousy sack of shit.

Don't your governments know that the White House gang is the biggest serial killers in this age? We had warned Australia before it participated in Afghanistan" because of its support for East Timor's campaign for independence from Muslim Indonesia.


Okay, just so I get this straight. You are now targetting any country that supports independence movements around the globe? I mean I know that the history of East Timor is knee deep in British and Portuguese colonialism, but why don't you let the people decide?

It ignored the warning until it woke up to the sounds of explosions in Bali and then its government, falsely claimed that they were not targeted.


I know you mean "it" to refer to Ausralia, but "it" actually refers to Indonesia, whom we did indeed warn. I guess they doubted that there was anyone insane enough to actually carry out this mass murder. Way to prove them wrong. You are making your case every day.

Keep these communiques coming! And maybe you should use your cell phone to get these important messages out faster! biggrin


Oh my god! That was just brilliant! lol x 1000
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Reply #11 posted 11/13/02 4:24am

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Gosh thanks! rolleyes Although I am flattered to be compared to Aaron.


omg I think not even Aaron would wanna be compared to aaron


You engage in the same kind of ad hominem attacks, only you don't know it. Because you do so under the guise of "objectivity" and "journalistic talk."


So if you feel that way, what would you suggest? I dont even consider myself "attacking" America, thats a verb from militray language found everywhere in American talk (ooops, there I go again). I thinking asking valid questions and bringing up controversial topics cant be compared to "attacking". If I did that, it'll sound like: "You fucking american cocksuckers, get the fuck out of Iraq!" Thats a verbal attack based on nothing but emotion an anger. I think you will never read that anywhere in my posts.


("America sucks because of these random statistics! Don't get mad at me for saying it Americans. I just found this on the net!" -- right? wink ) I find that much more offensive because you are dismissing an entire country or race.


How was I dismissing an entire country and .. errr.. race? What race are you talking about? And how do I dismiss an entire country? You are really off point here. I call myself a critical mind, and in general I doubt all official politcal announcements. Not only the one given by your countzy's representatives, but also by my country's chancellor, as well as other countries. Its my job, and believe it or not, it pays very well. However, people on the org dont seem too much interested in discussing German politics i.e., thats why I dont bring them up. But I like to post here because you get a direct response from the reader and you get the chance to discuss the thoughts. Thats fun.


It all but nullifies the few valid points that you make.

I wouldnt go as far as judging anybody's points as valid or not as long as the come along with reason. And thats what I meant when I talked about your arrogance (which you really do not need to make valid points yourself). You are not the mighty org-judge. Respect peoples thoughts, ideas, ideologies. If you have doubts about their validity, debate them without insulting or questioning the credibility of the person who has posted them. When George W Bush makes a public statement I dont dismiss it because - hey - he's George Bush and he always talks crap. I analyze what he says, and if I dont find it reliable I will look for information to prove him wrong.


Too often on these boards we see people being condescending towards an entire nation or religion (whether America or Europe or Christianity or Islam or whatever) through their use of vague, over-generalized, and abstract language.


I agree. But I am surely not one of them. I have never been against the American people. I love them as I love all people. I have lived and worked in your country for quite some years, and it would take a whole other thread in order to list all the things I am missing.
But what I have noticed is that there are many American posters here who easily judge a whole religion, nation, etc. by little more than stereotypes, and its those very people who get very offended when somebody criticizes their own culture, government, etc.


That kind of passive aggressive pseudo-think allows people (I'm not "necessariliy" saying you, buddy wink ) to make the most outrageous claims without having the balls to take responsibility for them.


I agree again. But as you have already said, I do not consider myself to be part of that group. I stand behind what I say, and if I post info that later is proven wrong I have the guts to stand up and say I am sorry, I have missed a point.


At least I am offering my take on things and not hiding behind sweeping generalizations while claiming an omniscient point of view.


I am brave enough here to say the same thing about myself. Just because my points sometimes are different from yours (actually we agree on many things) it doesnt make them less valid than yours.


It's all in the grammar!

Also, please read carefully, Jimmy Olsen. I wasn't "debating" with 4Love. I was responding to Osama Bin Laden's comments.


lol I wasnt quite sure. But Osama didnt write that article, and even if he did, you could still treat him respectfully. Thats what I'd call showing strength and style.


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Reply #12 posted 11/13/02 12:59pm

2the9s

soulpower said:

lol I wasnt quite sure. But Osama didnt write that article, and even if he did, you could still treat him respectfully. Thats what I'd call showing strength and style.


eek
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Reply #13 posted 11/13/02 1:59pm

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2the9s said:

soulpower said:

lol I wasnt quite sure. But Osama didnt write that article, and even if he did, you could still treat him respectfully. Thats what I'd call showing strength and style.


eek



I mean what I just said! If you treat your enemies with respect when you talk to them, you can still win over them. And its gonna look better too. Being a dickhead like you doesnt make your points more valid. Get the point?
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I don't think 9s is a dickhead, why did you call him that? evil

I thought his response to those questions was quite brilliant!
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Reply #15 posted 11/13/02 2:03pm

2the9s

soulpower said:

2the9s said:

soulpower said:

lol I wasnt quite sure. But Osama didnt write that article, and even if he did, you could still treat him respectfully. Thats what I'd call showing strength and style.


eek



I mean what I just said! If you treat your enemies with respect when you talk to them, you can still win over them. And its gonna look better too. Being a dickhead like you doesnt make your points more valid. Get the point?


Points off for name calling sp. wink

Now, tell us more about the Bones Thugs and Harmony conspiracy or whatever it is. eek
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Reply #16 posted 11/13/02 2:04pm

2the9s

sag10 said:

I don't think 9s is a dickhead, why did you call him that? evil

I thought his response to those questions was quite brilliant!


I thought you did think I was a dickhead. eek
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Reply #17 posted 11/13/02 2:06pm

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2the9s said:

sag10 said:

I don't think 9s is a dickhead, why did you call him that? evil

I thought his response to those questions was quite brilliant!


I thought you did think I was a dickhead. eek


That was another thread!
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Reply #18 posted 11/13/02 2:56pm

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he is use da actions of da U.S.s to give him
the way to reaches his peoples in da firstest place.
enny actions by USs is goin to bes a happy ting fo most
ARABS but it is gonna ailienate others,cosin him and dem likes him to has and keeps a places to do da dirts.
we is in it fo da LONG HAULS no matters wut, becos
we is still da goverments dat is tryin to subjugates
da ARAB peoples to da wills of dem dat wants da OILS.
King BAD is the giver of ME LIFE
worshipworshipworshipworship
Me will Live for he, Me Die for He
this account, i would make it FRY for He.
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Reply #19 posted 11/14/02 12:55am

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2the9s said:


Points off for name calling sp. wink

Now, tell us more about the Bones Thugs and Harmony conspiracy or whatever it is. eek



Sure. Google a little bit, you will find tons of material. Look at the sources and judge for yourself. There's lots of trash on the subject of course, but I am sure your analytic mind will be able to make the difference.
This is a good link

http://www.parascope.com/...lbones.htm

go to the left, scroll down and clink on "white paper". There you have the whole story WITHOUT the conspiracy theories such as JFK assassination etc.
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