Accept your last chance to avoid an ass whoopin!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Unfortunately there's not much he can do to avoid that ass whoopin. He has already pretty much agreed to do anything.

soulpower said:

On a serious note, I truly hope this does not result in war. If Hussein complies completely and we still go to war, I guess we'll know Bush never fully intended to give peace a chance. I'm glad that we went through the UN instead of running off and unilaterally attacking Iraq.

We should have taken this maniac out the first time around.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Actually, first thing you shouldnt have done is to put this guy in charge. I know you and I both agree that he sure is no saint, mildly expressed. but during the 80s Saddam was loaded with money and guns (i.e. the poisoned gas he used against kurdish civilians in 1988) by the US.
To be honest, I really believe there is many more dangerous countries and situations that need the attention of the UN. The Israel/Palestine conflict. India/Pakistan. North Korea. That some serious threads, and we shoudl all watch them very carefully and not waste time with dropping bombs on a regime that simply cant even defend itself.

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Watch it Soul, you should remember the last time I rebuked you for painting me as a Bush Supporter. I hate the dude and didn't cast my vote for him and I didn't support his party in the recent elections. I for one fully agree that allowing him to win, essentially through a bloodless coup, was a huge mistake. I can't wait to vote his ass out in 2004.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I just don't understand how the Republicans overtook the House & the Senate. Don't people know that Bush and his cohoorts are theives?

They steal from us everyday, in every way, and still the American people have given this man a rubber stamp. The stupidity is mind blowing at times.

Actually, first thing you shouldnt have done is to put this guy in charge. I know you and I both agree that he sure is no saint, mildly expressed. but during the 80s Saddam was loaded with money and guns (i.e. the poisoned gas he used against kurdish civilians in 1988) by the US.
To be honest, I really believe there is many more dangerous countries and situations that need the attention of the UN. The Israel/Palestine conflict. India/Pakistan. North Korea. That some serious threads, and we shoudl all watch them very carefully and not waste time with dropping bombs on a regime that simply cant even defend itself.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Watch it Soul, you should remember the last time I rebuked you for painting me as a Bush Supporter. I hate the dude and didn't cast my vote for him and I didn't support his party in the recent elections. I for one fully agree that allowing him to win, essentially through a bloodless coup, was a huge mistake. I can't wait to vote his ass out in 2004.

Gotcha I agree. I hope that more and more our government is learning from past experiences such as Iraq, especially now that we see the Frankenstein like monsters that are rearing their heads years after our support has stopped, i.e. Bin Laden & Al Qaeda. We supported them and funded them with weapons and money until such time as the Soviets pulled back and then we dropped em like a hot potato. Makes you realize that there is an inkling of legitimacy to the gripes of these terrorists.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I am totally with you on this one. I am convinced that you will find the truth behind 9/11 in Pakistan. I believe today that it wasnt bin Laden, although he surely got his profit. There is lots of indications that the originators of 9/11 actually are former Pakistanian military people who once were equal partners of the US and then felt totally let down and betrayed in the 90s. Or how would you explain that the Pakistanian secret service ISI in August 2001 transferred 100 000 Dollars to the bank account of Mohammed Atta?
It all makes a lot of sense dude, and what you have said above totally agrees with that. So if you wish you could see 9/11 as one of the last revenge strikes of the Cold War. There is no islamic wordl conspiracy. And if you talk about Saddam Hussein: His government is not even an islamic one.

Accept your last chance to avoid an ass whoopin!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I am totally with you on this one. I am convinced that you will find the truth behind 9/11 in Pakistan. I believe today that it wasnt bin Laden, although he surely got his profit. There is lots of indications that the originators of 9/11 actually are former Pakistanian military people who once were equal partners of the US and then felt totally let down and betrayed in the 90s. Or how would you explain that the Pakistanian secret service ISI in August 2001 transferred 100 000 Dollars to the bank account of Mohammed Atta?
It all makes a lot of sense dude, and what you have said above totally agrees with that. So if you wish you could see 9/11 as one of the last revenge strikes of the Cold War. There is no islamic wordl conspiracy. And if you talk about Saddam Hussein: His government is not even an islamic one.

soulpower said:

What indications?

This money transfer was first reported in a Indian Newspaper ... as a consequence ISI-Director Ahmed had to resign. Dont you get it? The Pakistanian secret service finances the attack on the World Trade Center - and the US makes friends with Pakistan in order to attack Afghanistan.

I also want to remind you that still the US has shown NO prove whatsoever that Bin Laden is behind that attack. There is absolutely nothing. The video, in which he is "confessing", is a fake, and not even a very smart one, as specialists have found out.

soulpower said:

Yeah, I "get it," the Indian Secret Service was setting up Pakistan to be blamed for 9-11. A vested interest of their for a long time. In order to stave off the consequences of such an insane scenario (that only a German jouranlist could swallow) they sacked some token scapegoat. Why should we believe the Indan government that Pakistan was behind this? And what do you mean by "Pakistan"? The Islamic elements or the ruling military party?


That is YOUR scenario, and since you have no facts to back it up you cant count it as valid. Anyway, of course I understood your sarcasm, and I am amused, thanks for the good laugh. But now seriously: Why should you believe the indian government? you dont have to. The ISI-director resigned, he admitted that it was true and he took the consequences. READ my post before you ASSUME, my friend. And to answer your other question: I am not talking about the current military government.. I am talking about forces that still exist behind it and which are KNOWN to exist.




You are out of your fucking mind soulpower.


Why am I fucking out of my mind when I refuse to believe the crap they put on the table for us? I am willing to believe that Bin Laden has ordered the attacks if they show me some PROOF. Actually its YOU who is fucking out of your mind, because you blindly believe without questioning. I know that its usually not your style to do so, thats why I am surprised.
See, it kinda reminds me of the situation in Nazi-Germany in 1945. The German people were shocked when they found out about the holocaust, about war crimes, about the backgrounds of that regime... because they have simply been brainwashed by propaganda for too long. Same thing with America today: Tie a US-citizen on a chair and make that person watch CNN today and you will have --- Oceana!

2the9s said:

Sorry to disappoint you Soul, I'm still not on board with your conspiracy theories 9/11 has nothing to do with the cold war, except the fact that Afghanistan became a breeding ground for resentment and hatred against our nation after we dropped them like a hot potato after the Soviets withdrew.


I still hold on to the fact that they key to 9/11 you will find in Pakistan. Yes, Bin Laden had some training camps in Afganistan, but they are long gone. If he's still alive, which I believe, he is in Pakistan. Other members of his group, like Binalshib, were arrested in Pakistan. Peshawar is probably one of the key places. The next would be Jemen, currently the place that gives US intelligence the most work. Afghanistan was attacked for no other reason but oil (the contracts for the planned pipeline have been signed last February).




No other reason? How about the fact that these terrorists had TRAINING CAMPS IN AFGHANISTAN!?!! The Taliban wasn't willing to turn over Bin Laden and they faced the consequences of protecting him.

You're out of your mind because you read too many trash political novels/articles and your default mode is one of irredeemable and deeply seeded guilt over Germany's Nazi past. You political leanings follow suit.


You have such a stereotypical mind, and that shows me how much you have already bought into the American propaganda bullshit although you are saying you have not. I dont really know ANY german of my generation who still feels guilty about the deeds of the Nazi-regime. That was another country, another system, and the people who were part of that are dying out. But you still like to believe we are feeling guilty


The crimes of the American government are numerous and manifold, as I have said many times before (and you have acknowledged my saying this! Your insistence on making me repeat it is a cheap rhetorical trick!)


Think whatever you want. You are beeing very hypocritical, you know that? At least I can say for myself that I am consequent in my posts. You are not. You are only consequent when it comes to bashing me, but I couldnt care less


If you can't tell the difference between Nazi Germany and present day America, you are not only out of your mind but dangerous.


Of course I can tell the difference, thats not a big deal. But its the similiarities I am talking about. And there is a lot of them.


Thre are no absolutes in world politics, which is why I find W.'s "You're with us or against us," so offensive, and yet so oddly reflected in your arguments.


I dont understand what you are trying to say here. Please clarify.


Plus, stop tripping on CNN! Do you have access to the internet? Do most (but not all) people? This isn't 19-forty-fucking five!


The problem is that most Americans use CNN as their major international news source. So how can I stop trippin on that?


Obviusly the problem is not with the media per se, but with people like you who float these insane theories that cloud everyone's way of seein!


Now you are getting boring...


At least the media is accountable to smene and can be exposed as fraudelent. You have the always safe fallback of saying "Oh, I'm just getting you to think," when in fact you are doing just the opposite -- you are providing people with what they want to hear.


I am only providing people what they WANT to hear? Thats bull. My threads are very controversial, and a lot of people attack me for them, just as many like them. I am not about giving people what they want, dude. Get a grip.


And of course that was MY SCENARIO! It seems to me a likely one. Do I need to constantly append my posts with "My Two Cents"? Plus you have given us nothing but dimwitted scenarios these last few weeks. Tit for Tat.


So why are you always bashing my scenarios? do you think you are smarter? better? more wise? yours count as much as mine, even if they may be different. So if you criticize my threads, chew on the content and stop those silly personal insults. They are really meaningless to me, while sometimes, when you stay on topic, I actually think about what you are saying and evaluate your information.





I may not edit, but God knows I haven't proofed...



[This message was edited Tue Nov 12 1:50:55 PST 2002 by 2the9s]

Soul, RE: your saying that the terrorist don't attack any other western targets, just reminding you that a French Oil tanker was bombed not too long ago...

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Forgive him Supa, that was the day that Bild ran their "Fraulein's of Schleswig-holstein" wet t-shirt spread and soulpower had to "assist" at the photo shoot.

2the9s said:

In Oceana's words: u are just jealous you were not there! and by the way: fräulein is an outdated term!

soulpower said:

How about Maedchen?

I hate the dude and didn't cast my vote for him and I didn't support his party in the recent elections. I for one fully agree that allowing him to win, essentially through a bloodless coup, was a huge mistake. I can't wait to vote his ass out in 2004.