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Reply #30 posted 11/13/02 10:12am

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alexnvrmnd said:

Damn!!! Like everyone has been saying, no, it's not Oscar winning acting, but it ain't THAT bad either!!! It's right on par with the first 3 films as far as the acting, IMHO!

And for those complaining about Hayden's acting as Anakin, he's acting like he was TOLD to by Lucas!! And I saw no problems in how he was acting. It seems to fall right in line with what's going on with his character (he's trying to be mature and be a Jedi, yet tormented by wanting to see his momma, be a kid, and get some senator pussy! LOL!) and what's to come in the future. Am I the only one who sees this??

The main problem I had with this DVD is the lack of extra content!! Where are all of the extra deleted scenes, bloopers (y'all KNOW there were some), the behind-the-scenes documentaries of when they were shooting in Tunisia, Australia, etc..., and parts that show the fans reactions from the first to the premiere date in LA??? There are so many more things they could've added to this sucker it's not even right, especially considering that they put the same stuff in the first DVD, and that movie wasn't half as good as this one!!! Ah well...


Well you might have to wait for the final,definitive six film set in 2006, assuming Lucas can stop tampering with the original trilogy.

I thought the Extras were great, and they are as long as you haven't seen them previously on the official site.
[This message was edited Wed Nov 13 7:43:34 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon]

I'm wondering if when Ep. 3 comes out on DVD, will he be ready to package all 6 in one boxed set?? He did say he'd release them sequentially, and since the next one is the last one he's doing, they might as well come out all at once!
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Reply #31 posted 11/13/02 11:26am

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alexnvrmnd said:

I'm wondering if when Ep. 3 comes out on DVD, will he be ready to package all 6 in one boxed set?? He did say he'd release them sequentially, and since the next one is the last one he's doing, they might as well come out all at once!


Its hard to say at this point, since Lucas is being rather tight lipped. I'd venture to say that we'll probably get Episode III on DVD, then about a year later the whole series will get re-released to theaters, followed by the release of them on DVD later in the year. Then again, he may just wait until 2007, since that will be the thirtieth anniversary of ANH. Either way, we've got a long-ass time to wait!
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Reply #32 posted 11/13/02 11:47am

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There's also been more than a few subtle hints that the original trilogy is getting another facelift.

I heard a pretty strong rumor that they're replacing ALL the special effects in the original trilogy with CGI work. Not in a radical 'new' way, just recreating the same shots with CGI instead of matt paintings and models, so they 'fit' more with the prequels.
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Reply #33 posted 11/13/02 11:48am

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BorisFishpaw said:

There's also been more than a few subtle hints that the original trilogy is getting another facelift.

I heard a pretty strong rumor that they're replacing ALL the special effects in the original trilogy with CGI work. Not in a radical 'new' way, just recreating the same shots with CGI instead of matt paintings and models, so they 'fit' more with the prequels.


What a total fucking... George Lucas is obviously not a film historian if this is true...

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Reply #34 posted 11/13/02 11:53am

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IceNine said:

BorisFishpaw said:

There's also been more than a few subtle hints that the original trilogy is getting another facelift.

I heard a pretty strong rumor that they're replacing ALL the special effects in the original trilogy with CGI work. Not in a radical 'new' way, just recreating the same shots with CGI instead of matt paintings and models, so they 'fit' more with the prequels.


What a total fucking... George Lucas is obviously not a film historian if this is true...

sad
Well, when you compare Obi-wan and Vader's fight to some of the others, it's a little weak...even if they are old men.
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Reply #35 posted 11/13/02 1:17pm

Thecherryloon

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IceNine said:

BorisFishpaw said:

There's also been more than a few subtle hints that the original trilogy is getting another facelift.

I heard a pretty strong rumor that they're replacing ALL the special effects in the original trilogy with CGI work. Not in a radical 'new' way, just recreating the same shots with CGI instead of matt paintings and models, so they 'fit' more with the prequels.


What a total fucking... George Lucas is obviously not a film historian if this is true...

sad
Well, when you compare Obi-wan and Vader's fight to some of the others, it's a little weak...even if they are old men.


I don't think that they'll replace that fight.Some of the saber effects are pretty weak though. I reckon he might CGI things like the AT-AT walkers on the snow planet Hoth, basically replacing anything done with stop motion.

As for Icenine's point about Lucas not being a film historian.I think he is, he'll be able to realise the vision he had in the 70's to it's true potential.The original 3 films are a work in progress, George is the artist, he should be allowed to tinker as he sees fit.
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Reply #36 posted 11/13/02 1:20pm

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Thecherryloon said:

As for Icenine's point about Lucas not being a film historian.I think he is, he'll be able to realise the vision he had in the 70's to it's true potential.The original 3 films are a work in progress, George is the artist, he should be allowed to tinker as he sees fit.
I agree...these movies are precious and if Lucas can "freshen them up" so that they look top-notch, I say more power to him!

It's not like when Prince totally changes an old classic.
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Reply #37 posted 11/13/02 1:22pm

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teller said:

Thecherryloon said:

As for Icenine's point about Lucas not being a film historian.I think he is, he'll be able to realise the vision he had in the 70's to it's true potential.The original 3 films are a work in progress, George is the artist, he should be allowed to tinker as he sees fit.
I agree...these movies are precious and if Lucas can "freshen them up" so that they look top-notch, I say more power to him!

It's not like when Prince totally changes an old classic.


My point is this...

Ray Harryhausen was great... would you want someone to come in and CGI his work to modernize it?

I think that the movies should be allowed to stand on their own merit without alteration. This is just my opinion though...
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Reply #38 posted 11/13/02 1:47pm

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teller said:

Thecherryloon said:

As for Icenine's point about Lucas not being a film historian.I think he is, he'll be able to realise the vision he had in the 70's to it's true potential.The original 3 films are a work in progress, George is the artist, he should be allowed to tinker as he sees fit.
I agree...these movies are precious and if Lucas can "freshen them up" so that they look top-notch, I say more power to him!

It's not like when Prince totally changes an old classic.


My point is this...

Ray Harryhausen was great... would you want someone to come in and CGI his work to modernize it?

I think that the movies should be allowed to stand on their own merit without alteration. This is just my opinion though...


Ray Harryhausen WAS great.Time moves on.Kids are more sophisticated now.Sure i can watch 'clash of the Titans' and love it.My nephew would think it's lame.

kind of sad that.
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Reply #39 posted 11/13/02 1:50pm

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I have to admit I have mixed feelings about Lucas tampering with the original trilogy.

Most of what they did with the special editons was actually very good, New CGI shots in A New Hope's final dogfights (you could actually follow the action better), opening up Bespin into more of a city (instead of a few white corridors).

There were also some bits that I really didn't like. Having Greedo shoot first was lame, and having Han walk on Jabba's tail was even lamer.

If it weren't for the fact that Lucas is still making Star Wars films, I'd say; leave them alone. But I can see His point that when all 6 are finished he wants them to have the same 'feel'. The Original trilogy's special effects do look a bit poor when viewed next to the new shiney CGI creations, and since Lucas wants all 6 to flow together, I can see his point.

Hopefully they will approach the 'nose job' on the original trilogy with a bit of subtlety and care.

One thing I know for a fact is that ILM have CGI AT-ATs, X-Wings, Star Destroyers etc. specs programmed already in their computers. I wouldn't be surprised if they're working on the original trilogy at the same time as they're doing pre-production on Episode III.
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Reply #40 posted 11/13/02 2:16pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

I have to admit I have mixed feelings about Lucas tampering with the original trilogy.

Most of what they did with the special editons was actually very good, New CGI shots in A New Hope's final dogfights (you could actually follow the action better), opening up Bespin into more of a city (instead of a few white corridors).

There were also some bits that I really didn't like. Having Greedo shoot first was lame, and having Han walk on Jabba's tail was even lamer.

If it weren't for the fact that Lucas is still making Star Wars films, I'd say; leave them alone. But I can see His point that when all 6 are finished he wants them to have the same 'feel'. The Original trilogy's special effects do look a bit poor when viewed next to the new shiney CGI creations, and since Lucas wants all 6 to flow together, I can see his point.

Hopefully they will approach the 'nose job' on the original trilogy with a bit of subtlety and care.

One thing I know for a fact is that ILM have CGI AT-ATs, X-Wings, Star Destroyers etc. specs programmed already in their computers. I wouldn't be surprised if they're working on the original trilogy at the same time as they're doing pre-production on Episode III.


Perhaps I can clear some stuff up. Lucas and Co are working on adding new scenes to the trilogy, as well as cleaning up some of the clunkier effects. This process actually began quite a while ago. The Spacial Edition releases from 1997 were just the beginnig of the process, and work on all of the films has quitely continued since that time. I wouldn't count on them totally reworking all of the effects as CGI, however. From what I understand, Lucas mainly is cleaning up some of the lightsaber effects, as well as erasing the lines in all of the blue screen work. New scenes are also being filmed that Lucas originally intended to use, but had to leave out of the script due to time/budget/etc. Scenes involving Bail Organa and the Emporer are suppossed to be added, as well as some reaction shots on the planet when Alderaan gets destroyed. Since they now have an actor to play Organa, these scenes were begun during the Episode II production. New scenes are also planned for filming during Episode III.

Personally, I have mixed feelings on the revisions, and the earlier alterations that BorisFishPaw mentions. I agree with BFP's assesment of those scenes 100%. On the one hand, these films are a major part of history, and it would be nice if the world could retain them for posterity. On the other, it IS Lucas doing the revisions, and it is the director's right to do what he wants with his films. Some of the ideas he has for new scenes are fantastic, others less so. it would be nice if the inevitable DVD releases of the original trilogy would feature both the new cut, as well as the original, but that's unlikely to happen.

If he would just go back in and update ANH with a better CGI Jabba, and get rid of Greedo shooting first, I would be a whole lot happier. I also think he needs to go back and take out the awful Yoda puppet in Episode I. The CGI in AOTC was so much better!
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Reply #41 posted 11/13/02 2:25pm

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JediMaster said:

Personally, I have mixed feelings on the revisions, and the earlier alterations that BorisFishPaw mentions. I agree with BFP's assesment of those scenes 100%. On the one hand, these films are a major part of history, and it would be nice if the world could retain them for posterity. On the other, it IS Lucas doing the revisions, and it is the director's right to do what he wants with his films. Some of the ideas he has for new scenes are fantastic, others less so. it would be nice if the inevitable DVD releases of the original trilogy would feature both the new cut, as well as the original, but that's unlikely to happen.

If he would just go back in and update ANH with a better CGI Jabba, and get rid of Greedo shooting first, I would be a whole lot happier. I also think he needs to go back and take out the awful Yoda puppet in Episode I. The CGI in AOTC was so much better!
I agree that some of the improvements in E4 didn't come off so great...in fact I was more surprised than disappointed; here are these great X-wings but then Luke's lightsaber is still all crusty looking...and then that awful scene where Vader's lightsaber is pointing right at the camera and you see the stick! I guess he was in a hurry to release the Special Editions in advance of E1?

Interesting tidbit: Lucas said that the movies are canonical, followed by the radio show, then the novels. In the radio show, some henchman of Jabba's named "Heater" argues with Han instead of the Jabba/Han scene. But I guess it wasn't meant to be...
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