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Reply #30 posted 07/02/08 6:53pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

abierman said:

meow85 said:



I hope it's not, actually. Criminalization never made sense to me. It's about as useful and productive as Prohibition was. Though I'm not a heavy smoker myself, tending to limit my use to only occasionally as a social thing, I'm very much pro-legalization.

The illegal marijuana trade is one of the biggest fuelers of organized crime in Canada. Legalize the weed, monitor the production and sales of it the way other substances are, perhaps put an age limit on it, (18 or 19 years old would be reasonable IMO) and tax it, and not only would the base market for Big Crime be wiped out, but BC would finally have a way to pay for these stupid fucking Olympics that we apparently needed so direly that funding had to be diverted from education and health care.


Being Dutch myself, I'm just sick & tired of being confronted with the fact that we're so liberal about it. Wherever I come and tell that I'm Dutch, 9 out of 10 times there'll be a spliff-mention.....it's fucking annoying! As if we're all stoned all the time, walking around like zombies. disbelief
Sure, you're right about the criminal aspect, it is the same here since we have a double standard about it: it is NOT legal here, only tolerated.....which makes it even more stupid!
The age-thing.....well. is the drinking age in the US preventing kids from drinking?? Don't think so.

Your post responding to Miguel's statement is the perfect example of what I have written above....I don't know whether you've been here, it makes me feel sad about my country as apperently this is the one thing that comes up in people when the Netherlands is mentioned.....if you have been here, it makes me even more sad.....it would mean that you were spaced out and were walking around like a zombie, not being able to see what more there is to offer here..... sad
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I wasn't talking about the drugs. Heehee!!!
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Reply #31 posted 07/02/08 7:54pm

meow85

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abierman said:

meow85 said:



I have been a few times. I'm sorry if my comment struck you the wrong way though. sad

I didn't indulge any of the times when I was there though. Why bother? I'm from British Columbia -the Netherlands of Canada, in terms of drugs, at least. It is illegal here, but unless a person's got a sizable grow-op, the police more or less tolerate it, leaving their attention to more pressing matters. BC Bud is reputed to be some of the highest quality in the world, and most of the people here have at least tried pot, even if they aren't regular smokers. Believe me, I understand about the reputation. We've got our share of drug tourists too.


As far as the legal age for drinking goes, I don't think it should be as high as it is. Countries with lower drinking ages tend to have lower national levels of alcoholism than those with higher ones, mostly because there isn't an "adult" mystique attached to the product. Generally speaking, when booze isn't seen as a way to look grownup or to rebel, young people are less likely to abuse it and less likely to be setting themselves up for a lifetime of addiction. I suggested 18 or 19 as the hypothetical legal age for marijuana only for the sake of consistency.
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hug no worries, your comment didn't strike me wrong! wink And I agree with most of what you say. But fact is, unfortunately the majority of people who see the Netherlands as an 'indulgement-heaven' don't have a clear view on things like you seem to have. A lot of people just come here to get stupid, and that's all they take.....that sucks! I'm sure you know that there is a lot more to offer here.
There is a legal-age set here on pot, I believe it's 16.....wacky. I don't know how well it's being enforced.
Just 2 days ago, a general smoking-ban has been enforced in bars, clubs & restaurants.....come to think of it, I don't really know how the coffeeshops (where you can buy pot) are dealing with it!


nod I know what you mean. I've stopped mentioning to people that I've been to your country, because having to deal with the incredulity when I say I didn't do drugs there was getting a little tired. lol I can do that shit at home, for considerably cheaper, thanks. What I can't do at home is the Anne Frank house or the sex museum or the pretty canals. hmph!

I've been kind of wondering how the coffee shops were planning on dealing with the ban. hmmm Is outdoor public smoking allowed, or do people just have to take their purchase home to smoke now?
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Reply #32 posted 07/02/08 11:39pm

abierman

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

abierman said:



Being Dutch myself, I'm just sick & tired of being confronted with the fact that we're so liberal about it. Wherever I come and tell that I'm Dutch, 9 out of 10 times there'll be a spliff-mention.....it's fucking annoying! As if we're all stoned all the time, walking around like zombies. disbelief
Sure, you're right about the criminal aspect, it is the same here since we have a double standard about it: it is NOT legal here, only tolerated.....which makes it even more stupid!
The age-thing.....well. is the drinking age in the US preventing kids from drinking?? Don't think so.

Your post responding to Miguel's statement is the perfect example of what I have written above....I don't know whether you've been here, it makes me feel sad about my country as apperently this is the one thing that comes up in people when the Netherlands is mentioned.....if you have been here, it makes me even more sad.....it would mean that you were spaced out and were walking around like a zombie, not being able to see what more there is to offer here..... sad
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I wasn't talking about the drugs. Heehee!!!



I know you weren't!!!! mad
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Reply #33 posted 07/03/08 12:23am

shanti0608

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

meow85 said:




Little hard to be cranky, isn't it? blunt



lol

I wasn't talking about the drugs.....but you do have a point.



I don't know why but when I read your reply M then looked up I saw the word "crack" and not the drug.

giggle

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Reply #34 posted 07/03/08 8:24am

MIGUELGOMEZ

shanti0608 said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:




lol

I wasn't talking about the drugs.....but you do have a point.



I don't know why but when I read your reply M then looked up I saw the word "crack" and not the drug.

giggle

wink



Oh yeah, I'm a fan of the crack.....not the drug.

lol
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Reply #35 posted 07/03/08 9:24am

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