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Marijuana initiative failed in Nevada Well, it was a good test...a referendum was up to see if people could keep and smoke up to 3oz. of pot in their house (not in public), and it was rejected pretty soundly.
Guess America prefers gangs and shootings that result from the extreme profits created by prohibition. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol--it created gangs and shootings back then too... It's not as if marijuana were really as scary as it was made out to be in the 50's...why the fear over legalization?Hell, imagine how much taxes could be collected from it! Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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teller said: Well, it was a good test...a referendum was up to see if people could keep and smoke up to 3oz. of pot in their house (not in public), and it was rejected pretty soundly.
Guess America prefers gangs and shootings that result from the extreme profits created by prohibition. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol--it created gangs and shootings back then too... It's not as if marijuana were really as scary as it was made out to be in the 50's...why the fear over legalization?Hell, imagine how much taxes could be collected from it! That is terribly sad... Prohibition lives. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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We still livin' in the dark ages man!
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teller said: Well, it was a good test...a referendum was up to see if people could keep and smoke up to 3oz. of pot in their house (not in public), and it was rejected pretty soundly.
Guess America prefers gangs and shootings that result from the extreme profits created by prohibition. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol--it created gangs and shootings back then too... It's not as if marijuana were really as scary as it was made out to be in the 50's...why the fear over legalization?Hell, imagine how much taxes could be collected from it! "america"? I think you mean Nevada..what Nevada voted doesn't represent all of America. I THINK Vermont has passed something similar to what you mentioned...and what about Cali...don't they have something like that too? I don't know for sure..that's why I'm asking. "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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Who would you rather have on the road, someone driving under the influence of illegal marijuana or someone driving under the influence of legal alcohol?
Alcohol is directly responsible for more than 31,000 deaths each year in America and is an indirect cause of more than 37,000 more by violence or accidents. Fifty percent of all traffic fatalities in America involve alchol and alchol is a factor in 70 percent of all homicides in America. What about violent criminal behavior... alcohol has been shown to be a factor in a clear majority of all cases of violent crime while marijuana is not a factor. Marijuna, on the other hand, has been shown to inhibit criminal behavior: "Instead of inciting criminal behavior, cannabis may tend to suppress it. The intoxication induces a mild lethargy that is not conducive to any physical activity, let alone the commission of crimes. The release of inhibitions results in fantasy and verbal rather than behavioral expression." - from "Substance Abuse: A Comprehensive Textbook" ... [This message was edited Wed Nov 6 10:53:14 PST 2002 by IceNine] SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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IceNine said: Who would you rather have on the road, someone driving under the influence of illegal marijuana or someone driving under the influence of legal alcohol?
Alcohol is directly responsible for more than 31,000 deaths each year in America and is an indirect cause of more than 37,000 more by violence or accidents. Fifty percent of all traffic fatalities in America involve alchol and alchol is a factor in 70 percent of all homicides in America. What about violent criminal behavior... alcohol has been shown to be a factor in a clear majority of all cases of violent crime while marijuana is not a factor. Marijuna, on the other hand, has been shown to inhibit criminal behavior: "Instead of inciting criminal behavior, cannabis may tend to suppress it. The intoxication induces a mild lethargy that is not conducive to any physical activity, let alone the commission of crimes. The release of inhibitions results in fantasy and verbal rather than behavioral expression." - from "Substance Abuse: A Comprehensive Textbook" ... [This message was edited Wed Nov 6 10:53:14 PST 2002 by IceNine] Which is why i'll go with Mother Nature. | |
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Well, I wish it would have passed. But to be honest, are any of us really that surprised that it didnt?? We just arent responsible enough to have it passed, IMO.
 
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IceNine said: Who would you rather have on the road, someone driving under the influence of illegal marijuana or someone driving under the influence of legal alcohol?
Alcohol is directly responsible for more than 31,000 deaths each year in America and is an indirect cause of more than 37,000 more by violence or accidents. Fifty percent of all traffic fatalities in America involve alchol and alchol is a factor in 70 percent of all homicides in America. What about violent criminal behavior... alcohol has been shown to be a factor in a clear majority of all cases of violent crime while marijuana is not a factor. Marijuna, on the other hand, has been shown to inhibit criminal behavior: "Instead of inciting criminal behavior, cannabis may tend to suppress it. The intoxication induces a mild lethargy that is not conducive to any physical activity, let alone the commission of crimes. The release of inhibitions results in fantasy and verbal rather than behavioral expression." - from "Substance Abuse: A Comprehensive Textbook" ... [This message was edited Wed Nov 6 10:53:14 PST 2002 by IceNine] who are you addressing? BTW...if MaryJ is ever legalized or should I say when it is legalized...I'm sure driving under the influence of it will still be illegal, pretty safe bet that driving under the influence of mind altering substance will always be illegal.  "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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violett said: Well, I wish it would have passed. But to be honest, are any of us really that surprised that it didnt?? We just arent responsible enough to have it passed, IMO.
But... it appears that everyone is responsible enough for a much more dangerous drug called ethyl alcohol to be legal. 
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violett said: Well, I wish it would have passed. But to be honest, are any of us really that surprised that it didnt?? We just arent responsible enough to have it passed, IMO.
who's "we" you and the mouse in your pocket? LOL just kiddin' violett  I'm responsible enough damn it! :LOL:"not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: IceNine said: Who would you rather have on the road, someone driving under the influence of illegal marijuana or someone driving under the influence of legal alcohol?
Alcohol is directly responsible for more than 31,000 deaths each year in America and is an indirect cause of more than 37,000 more by violence or accidents. Fifty percent of all traffic fatalities in America involve alchol and alchol is a factor in 70 percent of all homicides in America. What about violent criminal behavior... alcohol has been shown to be a factor in a clear majority of all cases of violent crime while marijuana is not a factor. Marijuna, on the other hand, has been shown to inhibit criminal behavior: "Instead of inciting criminal behavior, cannabis may tend to suppress it. The intoxication induces a mild lethargy that is not conducive to any physical activity, let alone the commission of crimes. The release of inhibitions results in fantasy and verbal rather than behavioral expression." - from "Substance Abuse: A Comprehensive Textbook" ... [This message was edited Wed Nov 6 10:53:14 PST 2002 by IceNine] who are you addressing? BTW...if MaryJ is ever legalized or should I say when it is legalized...I'm sure driving under the influence of it will still be illegal, pretty safe bet that driving under the influence of mind altering substance will always be illegal. I wasn't actually addressing anyone... I was just making a statement... and, yes... I agree that driving under the influence should not be allowed. My point is that alcohol impairs drivers far more than marijuana and is a far greater threat to public health and safety. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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Shorty said: teller said: Well, it was a good test...a referendum was up to see if people could keep and smoke up to 3oz. of pot in their house (not in public), and it was rejected pretty soundly.
Guess America prefers gangs and shootings that result from the extreme profits created by prohibition. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol--it created gangs and shootings back then too... It's not as if marijuana were really as scary as it was made out to be in the 50's...why the fear over legalization?Hell, imagine how much taxes could be collected from it! "america"? I think you mean Nevada..what Nevada voted doesn't represent all of America. I THINK Vermont has passed something similar to what you mentioned...and what about Cali...don't they have something like that too? I don't know for sure..that's why I'm asking. | |
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No one has ever died, to my knownledge, from a pot overdose. By contrast, alcohol, as Ice pointed out, makes certain people extremely violent. This is just stupid.
The answer, I think, is to wait for a generation of ignorant old people to die--a large voting block who haven't tried the stuff and can't tell it apart from the harder drugs. No politician wants to touch the subject--too SCARY! EEEAAAH!!! Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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The lovely and free-thinking folks in Nevada also voted to ban gay marriages in their state. | |
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teller said: No one has ever died, to my knownledge, from a pot overdose. By contrast, alcohol, as Ice pointed out, makes certain people extremely violent. This is just stupid.
The answer, I think, is to wait for a generation of ignorant old people to die--a large voting block who haven't tried the stuff and can't tell it apart from the harder drugs. No politician wants to touch the subject--too SCARY! EEEAAAH!!! Strange, but true... marijuana can increase the possibility of dying of alcohol poisioning though... THC selectively inhibits an area of the brain called the area postrema. The area postrema is responsible for vomiting and the inhibition of this area by THC can cause users who are drinking heavily not to throw up and thus drink even more. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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Eww...I hadn't thought of that. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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teller said: No one has ever died, to my knownledge, from a pot overdose. By contrast, alcohol, as Ice pointed out, makes certain people extremely violent. This is just stupid.
Another reason is that alcohol has its roots in european history and thus is more widely accepted in our eurocentric, western culture, while marijuana is fairly new to the US.
The answer, I think, is to wait for a generation of ignorant old people to die--a large voting block who haven't tried the stuff and can't tell it apart from the harder drugs. No politician wants to touch the subject--too SCARY! EEEAAAH!!! But i totally agree, the effects of alcohol-a depressant- are far worse than those of pot. | |
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I have mixed feelings on this. If marijuana is legalized it's going to be easier for children to get. Yeah they can put restrictions on it but it's like cigarettes, they can always get someone to buy them. I know if they really want it they can get it anyway, but if it's legalized then they can use that argument of why they were trying to get it.
Maybe this is on a more personal level for me because I began smoking pot in high school. I was in all honors classes until I was introduced to pot. I think things would have been different for me had I not started smoking it. If it's going to be used for medical reasons, I'm all for it. But if it's going to be legalized just for recreation or whatever, I don't think it's cool. I don't care what anybody says, it's a gateway for other drugs. If you like getting high, you want to try other things for a better high. I still smoke occasionally so I guess I'm being a hypocrite. I just don't see the need for it to be legalized other than for medicinal use. It will always be around, sometimes it's harder to find than usual but whatever. I just don't think it has to be THAT available. It's a drug, it IS addictive and I think we have enough problems in America to deal with and we should spend time on other issues rather than legalizing pot... Just my 2 cents, flame away if you wish! | |
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IceNine said: violett said: Well, I wish it would have passed. But to be honest, are any of us really that surprised that it didnt?? We just arent responsible enough to have it passed, IMO.
But... it appears that everyone is responsible enough for a much more dangerous drug called ethyl alcohol to be legal.
Sad, really... co-sign.
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Shorty said: violett said: Well, I wish it would have passed. But to be honest, are any of us really that surprised that it didnt?? We just arent responsible enough to have it passed, IMO.
who's "we" you and the mouse in your pocket? LOL just kiddin' violett I'm responsible enough damn it! :LOL:LOL You go gyrl !! 
I feel that I am too, and so are most of the people that I know. But I won't say ALL are. I guess my "we" is just the majority of people in this country. I just have to keep reminding myself... that open minded people are in the minority, as sad as it is.
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CarrieLee said: I have mixed feelings on this. If marijuana is legalized it's going to be easier for children to get. Yeah they can put restrictions on it but it's like cigarettes, they can always get someone to buy them. I know if they really want it they can get it anyway, but if it's legalized then they can use that argument of why they were trying to get it.
Maybe this is on a more personal level for me because I began smoking pot in high school. I was in all honors classes until I was introduced to pot. I think things would have been different for me had I not started smoking it. If it's going to be used for medical reasons, I'm all for it. But if it's going to be legalized just for recreation or whatever, I don't think it's cool. I don't care what anybody says, it's a gateway for other drugs. If you like getting high, you want to try other things for a better high. I still smoke occasionally so I guess I'm being a hypocrite. I just don't see the need for it to be legalized other than for medicinal use. It will always be around, sometimes it's harder to find than usual but whatever. I just don't think it has to be THAT available. It's a drug, it IS addictive and I think we have enough problems in America to deal with and we should spend time on other issues rather than legalizing pot... Just my 2 cents, flame away if you wish! No flaming, but marijuana is not an addictive drug, as THC is not self-administered by laboratory animals in testing and many clinical trials on humans have shown a similar lack of addictive properties. As far as being a "gateway drug," marijuana use has not been shown to precipitate the use of "harder" drugs. In fact, there are a great number of marijuana users who have never tried other drugs and do not drink alcohol. I won't go into too much detail here, but I have written papers on the biochemical basis of chemical addictions. My collegiate studies were in neuroscience and biochemistry, so this is a subject that I am rather interested in. I can supply lots of cool information if anyone really cares. ... [This message was edited Wed Nov 6 11:41:43 PST 2002 by IceNine] SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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I hear ya Icenine, but I've just seen it happen to friends. Chemically it may not be addictive...but mentally I think it is. I remember getting sooo cranky if I didn't get stoned and it sucked. And then there were friends of mine who went on to other drugs and ironically pot was the first drug they were introduced to, and yeah this happened to me too sadly enough.
So I guess I should say through *my* experiences I see pot as being addictive in some way, and a gateway drug in some way. I still like to smoke it occassionally, like I said before...I'm just lucky to be smarter now and know limits. It's all fine and dandy if you can control it. But unfortunately some people can't... | |
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Well, all for it, legalisation. In holland where it's legal (the word should be not prosecuted) usage is actually lower than in england.
So the argument that increased Exposure leads to increased consumption is not really valid. One note dose related response times on THC are lower than in Alcohol so whereas you could drive after 1-2 units of alcohol the same can not be said about TetraHydroCanabidol, as research in Maastricht, the Netherlands has concluded. [This message was edited Wed Nov 6 11:56:27 PST 2002 by servantsofpuas] I feel pretty, that's enough | |
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IceNine said: Shorty said: IceNine said: Who would you rather have on the road, someone driving under the influence of illegal marijuana or someone driving under the influence of legal alcohol?
Alcohol is directly responsible for more than 31,000 deaths each year in America and is an indirect cause of more than 37,000 more by violence or accidents. Fifty percent of all traffic fatalities in America involve alchol and alchol is a factor in 70 percent of all homicides in America. What about violent criminal behavior... alcohol has been shown to be a factor in a clear majority of all cases of violent crime while marijuana is not a factor. Marijuna, on the other hand, has been shown to inhibit criminal behavior: "Instead of inciting criminal behavior, cannabis may tend to suppress it. The intoxication induces a mild lethargy that is not conducive to any physical activity, let alone the commission of crimes. The release of inhibitions results in fantasy and verbal rather than behavioral expression." - from "Substance Abuse: A Comprehensive Textbook" ... [This message was edited Wed Nov 6 10:53:14 PST 2002 by IceNine] who are you addressing? BTW...if MaryJ is ever legalized or should I say when it is legalized...I'm sure driving under the influence of it will still be illegal, pretty safe bet that driving under the influence of mind altering substance will always be illegal. I wasn't actually addressing anyone... I was just making a statement... and, yes... I agree that driving under the influence should not be allowed. My point is that alcohol impairs drivers far more than marijuana and is a far greater threat to public health and safety. I completely agree! "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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CarrieLee said: I hear ya Icenine, but I've just seen it happen to friends. Chemically it may not be addictive...but mentally I think it is. I remember getting sooo cranky if I didn't get stoned and it sucked. And then there were friends of mine who went on to other drugs and ironically pot was the first drug they were introduced to, and yeah this happened to me too sadly enough.
So I guess I should say through *my* experiences I see pot as being addictive in some way, and a gateway drug in some way. I still like to smoke it occassionally, like I said before...I'm just lucky to be smarter now and know limits. It's all fine and dandy if you can control it. But unfortunately some people can't... hmm...true BUT, that's a scary thought as well...cause I know plenty of people who can't handle their alcohol either...but should it be illegal for all of us..cause some can handle it? I say no. and if Pot is a gateway to harder drugs...then wouldn't alcohol be a gateway to pot, and perhaps cigarettes a gateway to alcohol? so should everything be illegal? I don't agree about legalazation making it easier for kids to get it either (I'm not flaming really) First time I got drunk..I was 12 or 13, first time I got stoned I was 11, both were illegal for an 11 to 13 year old, yet I had no problem getting either one...legal or not. I tried it a few more times in Jr high and didn't like it...so I didn't smoke it anymore...untill I was 22, when I tried it again...and liked it! LOL but I've never done any other drugs. True...some of my friends smoked too much and were lazy and didn't do anything with their lives..but some of my friends drank too much and didn't do anything with their lives either, but most of my friends do a lil of both and are responsible hard working people. People are going to do things to excess regardless of the legality. I watched a john stocil (sp?) "gimme a break" program one time about "victimless crimes" it was very eye-opening for me, changed my point of view on a lot of illegal stuff...even hard drugs...we supposedly live in a fee society yet...I can't do whatever I want to myself...?? why not? "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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There's really no right or wrong answer, just all opinion. I'm speaking from my own experiences, that's all.
If we lived in a perfect world there wouldn't be alcohol, cigarettes or pot 
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CarrieLee said: I have mixed feelings on this. If marijuana is legalized it's going to be easier for children to get. Yeah they can put restrictions on it but it's like cigarettes, they can always get someone to buy them. I know if they really want it they can get it anyway, but if it's legalized then they can use that argument of why they were trying to get it. If anything, illegal drugs get into schools more rapidly because the profit is higher.
Note: You never see any teenage cigarette dealers. (!) The thing that bugs me is that if you're caught smoking, you're treated like a criminal! Don't the police have better things to do? Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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teller said: If anything, illegal drugs get into schools more rapidly because the profit is higher.
Note: You never see any teenage cigarette dealers. (!) Nicely said!
Oh, by the way... you would see teenage cigarette dealers if cigarettes were illegal! Your point is made!!! .. [This message was edited Wed Nov 6 13:06:34 PST 2002 by IceNine] SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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You don't see cigarette dealers because they are legal and you can get them anywhere! | |
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CarrieLee said: You don't see cigarette dealers because they are legal and you can get them anywhere!
ahh...yeah. good point carrie!  "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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