i bet she doesn't write in 2's and 4's there.

It always puzzles me when christians call atheists "arrogant" and say they "reject God". I was called a god hater many times, yet I don't have a iota of feeling, good or bad, toward something I don't think exists.

I am not arrogant for being true to my own belief that there is no God. I don't see, feel, sense, hear or construct a "God" at all. Maybe it's time you stop accusing people of arrogance when they are simply being honest to themselves.

Good morning all -- man you guys really going at it!

Aerogram said:

Well said, Aero.

Aerogram said:

You are very right, Aerogram... this debate is going nowhere, fast!

In fact, I am the only one trying to debate... shouldn't a debate have TWO people debating?

SweeTea said:

The thread you just attempted to create got deleted in record time, SweeTea!

Eye want 2 make my final statement because Ice has turned out 2 b no challenge whatsoever! He tells me he has never tried 2 talk 2 God 2 c if he xisted, and then complains how he has never felt God's presence LOL@Ice, ur own arrogance is what is stopping u 4rom knowing if there is a God or NOT. If u would humble urself and AT LEAST TRY 2 investigate by going str8 2 the source (GOD) then and only then would eye have any respect 4 what u r saying or believe. Eye have investigated atheists and other religions, and that is y eye can come here and voice my opinion. When u do the same ICE, we can pick up the conversation where we left off. how can u not like chocolate if u ain't never tried 2 taste it!?








Let me repeat my beliefs that everyone in here is bashing me 4:

A. Humans should not judge other human's 4 their sins (example Christians bashing Gays) Yes eye do believe being Gay is a sin, but eye don't discriminate against them and eye have no right 2 talk because eye am a sinner myself. eye could care less if they go 2 heaven, hell, or with the tooth fairy when they die. (unlike God who does care, and Jesus who died 4 our sins)

B. Ice, u envied me 2 a debate Christians VS atheists and when eye start 2 talk about the bible or something in it u reject it hands down... WHAT A HYPOCRITE u r u want me 2 use a cook book 2 defend Christians? lol... whatever!

C. Eye couldn't care less if u r an atheist, Christian, Jew, Buddhist or a rock worshiper (unlike God who does care and Jesus who died 4 our sins) eye don't want 2 convert anyone one 2 anything. Eye simply will not let bullies tell me that my beliefs r not valid.

D. U here that bash me 4 respecting a man who was honest and fair (whether he is a myth or not), y don't u look within urself and ur beliefs and ask y such negativity towards such a man or those that believe in him like myself? What is wrong with his teachings?

E. eye have never insulted anyone in here, yet all of u can come in here and call me disgusting names and point and laugh, which is ALL GOOD, CAUSE IT ONLY VALIDATES HOW JESUS IS REAL, AND THE DEVIL LIKES 2 DESTROY THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM.

D. Jesus loves us

E. The devil is constantly trying 2 destroy us, and God is constantly trying 2 save us. We have "free will" and chose r own paths.

F. THE WORLD IS RUN BY THE DEVIL

When Jesus was fasting up on a hill over looking the city 4 40 days and 40 nights the Devil knowing he was fasting and weak came 2 him and tried 2 bribe him and said: " If you follow me, I will give u the world" and Jesus refused and rebuked him.

So eye ask all of u, if the Devil could not really give Jesus the world y would he even bother making the proposition? The devil knew Jesus knew the truth about what the devil could provide 4 him or could not. The Devil runs the world and that is y there is so much confusion regarding God, but if u ask God he will take all the confusion away

PROOF:

- the devil has facilitated the creation of endless religions 2 confuse ppl and make Christians look foolish by letting us make a mockery of the word of God and cre8ing a millionandone religions that contradict themselves and facilitating non believers 2 point and say "He's a so called Christian, but that man is the biggest sinner of all! lol" But being Christian has nothing 2 do with being HOLY and PERFECT or having a denomination ... Jesus never spoke of denominations in the Bible, Humans created them! this is y we r always disappointed with "religions" Christianism is based on the fact that humans r sinners and need God 2 help us with our sins.

MORE PROOF:

The devil has cr8ed a world system where everything in the world based on $$$, if u have no money u can't eat, no home, no water, and $$$ separates people by social class and u r belittled if u don't have enuff of it. IF JESUS WAS ON EARTH 2DAY AND HE SAW A STARVING PERSON, U THINK JESUS WOULD SAY "DO U HAVE MONEY IN EXCHANGE 4 THE FOOD GOD HAS PROVIDED ON EARTH? IF NOT GO AWAY, CAN'T FEED U!" of course not, Jesus never denied anyone food or shelter because they had no money or separated ppl by social class

and look at this lovely statistic from www.foodfirst.org: (this is 4 those of u who say that God does not provide 4 his children and blame God 4 the hunger on earth)

Abundance, not scarcity, best describes the world's food supply. Enough wheat, rice and other grains are produced to provide every human being with 3,500 calories a day. That doesn't even count many other commonly eaten foods-vegetables, beans, nuts, root crops, fruits, grass-fed meats, and fish. Enough food is available to provide at least 4.3 pounds of food per person a day worldwide: two and half pounds of grain, beans and nuts, about a pound of fruits and vegetables, and nearly another pound of meat, milk and eggs-enough to make most people fat! The problem is that many people are too poor to buy readily available food. Even most "hungry countries" have enough food for all their people right now. Many are net exporters of food and other agricultural products.


that's all eye have say, u can do what u want w/ it

IceNine said:

Then it does have something to do with the ongoing series of religious threads if that's where it started. Why not debate it on that thread?

Okay, since this debate is over, let's take a vote:

Who thinks that RaneStarr did a good job of debating and who thinks that she did a poor job of debating and has no idea what a debate really is?

Please cast your votes.

RaneStarr did a good job ___

RaneStarr did a poor job _X_

IceNine said:

eye don't need humans 2 validate what eye believe in, humans r humans eye depend on a higher power 2 guide my rights/wrongs.

PS


Luke 15 1-7, Luke 15 11-31
[This message was edited Sat Nov 2 12:22:35 PST 2002 by RaneStarr]

RaneStarr said:

That is very helpful... you will never learn.

I think there should be a written law that when you attempt (key word here: ATTEMPT) to participate in an intellectual debate, there should be no use of Princebonics, and correct capitalization/punctuation must also be mandatory.

I can't fucking understand half of this thread without REALLY studying what is being said... and it's not even worth it in the long run.

RaneStarr said:

You don't need humans to judge your beliefs, no... but you do need someone to explain the concept of debate to you, as you have not engaged in a debate at all.

If your goal was to once again spew dogma, you were successful.

If your goal was to debate and advance your position intelligently, you failed miserably.

IceNine said:

ur the one that was 2 scared 2 let me use the bible in my discussion (mind u this is a discussion about christians Vs Atheists) LOL@U

That girl is out with the fairies.It's quite sad how she feels she has to consult God to make any decisions in life.

RaneStarr said:

Um, scared isn't quite the right word here...

You're stretching, RaneStarr.

IceNine said:

of course not, ur the one that is always LEARNING... LOL

I think RaneStarr has to be joking around here. She can't possibly not understand what a debate is or how to engage in one.



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[This message was edited Sat Nov 2 12:32:26 PST 2002 by AzureStar]

RaneStarr said:

You don't understand... there is nothing scary about the bible, but spewing dogma is not a debate.

Debating issues requires independent thought and intelligence, not dogmatic pontification. Your attempted insults and condescending comments do nothing but make you look foolish. Are you unable to see and understand this?

I sincerely attempted to engage in a serious, rational and intelligent debate with you but you were unable to do anything other than repeat dogma and refer only to the bible rather than expressing any thought. Not only that, you were unable to offer any explanation for anything other than referring to Jesus or the bible.

You then decided to bring out the cross and nails and play martyr...

My point is that you are not capable of debating the issues because you do not understand the concept of intelligent discussion or debate of issues.

let me advise u that u will not have the last word, ur useless attempt n2 forcing me not 2 view my point will not work...



let me also add, that in a debate, 2 ppl r engaging in conversation and they are allowed 2 respond how they want!, not how u want them 2 respond, u will not put words in my mouth... eye answered ALL ur questions in detail, if u didn't like my answers, that is an entire different subject! lol
[This message was edited Sat Nov 2 12:59:12 PST 2002 by RaneStarr]

*sigh*

You weren't on the debate club, were you?

RaneStarr said:

If human opinions are not worthy of consideration, why do you trust your own very human beliefs to such extent? Personally, I think it's very human to believe in God.

AzureStar said:

I can PROMISE you that she has never been on any debate team EVER and that she would be bested by ANY junior high third-string debater.

RaneStarr said:

unless i start making fun of your makeup of course.

i'm watching you

Aerogram said:

because humans r allowed 2 believe what they want (free will) and eye if eye had 2 choose over someone's beliefs Vs my own eye would have 2 choose mine, because eye know where those beliefs r based on

RaneStarr said:

You do not make any sense and nothing that you have said up to this point has made sense. I challenge you to find even one person who believes that you have debated anything here... not even GOD would call what you did a debate and god would be very disappointed by the way that you have presented your version of his case.

AaronForever said:

aaron eye'll never 4give u 4 not xcepting my proposal! ur still my favorite tho! look eye got lipstick all ova ya!

like eye said ICE eye answered all ur questions in detail

RaneStarr said:

No, you didn't. What you did was say he was wrong and you were right, without giving anything to back up your views, which would then create a debate.