Anxiety said:

Well, you'll need to work on that.

I'm the Ron Paul of Raw Vegans and my message will not be quelled by your populists sentiments.

Imago said:

yeah, i'll make sure to burn the midnight oil on that little bugbear, sweetums.

Imago said:

1) Nope, not really.

2) If I happen to own another cat it will eat meats.
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I have one cat of my own and three other cats that stay with me a lot and they all do very well on Science Diet for Indoor Cats.
Our dog has food allergies and I usually end up making her food all summer. Our Vet gave us a recipe that's mostly chicken and rice with various vitamins added. The rest of the year she eats dry food with a few exceptions.

ZombieKitten said:

I have never given a cat or dog cheap canned food. Very rarely I would buy some expensive organic canned food from the pet store as something different but it had to have good wholesome ingredients in it. I agree if you eat healthy and cook foods without frying, using oils and spices that it would be much better than canned pet food.
I am talking about those ppl that eat Mc Donald's and feed their kids and their pets the same way.
My mom cooks all sorts of meats for her dogs and steams veggies as well.
She also had them on the raw meat diet.
Now canned food is just full of nasty things especially cheap store bought crap.

I have known ppl to give their animals all sorts of ppl food and then wondered why their pets stool was always messed up.
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shanti0608 said:

we eat very well, low fat, low salt, no fried etc. I've told the kids Moppy will get very sick if they give him anything of their food - leave it to mummy to feed him.

ZombieKitten said:

Good idea! Mom knows best anyways!

I am ready to be a mom again but I am having a hard time finding the right puppy for us. I will be training the puppy and the husband at the same time.
I hope I am up for it.
I love dogs.

Moppy is beautiful!

shanti0608 said:

thank you
he is so nice!!! I never had a puppy before, I am just so taken by his
joie de vivre - he is always so happy today he learned to fetch and give it back to me so I can throw it again I'm so proud of my little baby (MUCH LESS WORK THAN A REAL BABY!!!! )

ZombieKitten said:

Exactly! We figure we would start with a puppy and if we can manage that we might think about a real baby someday.


I want one of these but they are not too popular here. Could someone from Aussie send me one?

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Anxiety said:

personally i believe that unless your willing to hunt and kill a percentage of your meat, you shouldn't be eating it anyway.

i own feral cats which we rescue from the rescue homes where they were going to be put down. We feed them on dry cat food which is out all the time, then the 9 that turn up every night at our stables we share 2 tins of cat food between them all mainly, because it keeps them near and we are able to check them every night also if we need to worm them etc its easy

they mainly catch there own food off our land which mainly consists of rabbits and other small mammals though one managed to catch a magpie a few days ago

this isnt because i am a veggie but it seems to keep them in better condition especially their teeth

OK, I want to say I agree with the point that Imago is making about giving up meat for moral reasons and then owning a meat eating creature. There is a paradox there, but that goes back to my question of is it immoral for an animal to eat meat and if not, why is it immoral for us? But then I think all of that is totally cancelled out since Anxy rescued his cat

shanti0608 said:

Is that an australian shepherd? If so, consider it very carefully and do some research to see if you have the right conditions for that kind of dog. I have known several people that have had them and the dogs were a nightmare for each of them. The main issue is that the dogs are full of endless nervous energy. They really are meant to be on a prarie burning all of that off by herding animals Since my friends each lived in a city setting without large amounts of land for the dog to roam on, the dogs would literally go crazy from being in a small space whether it be the house or the yard. Just an fyi....

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Well, I doubt many vegetarians would condemn tigers for eating meat, but it is an interesting point as the pet food industry is surely using farm animals & slaughterhouses.

NDRU said:

Is that what it all comes down to? The "industry"? If a veggie was stuck on a desert island and it became really necessary to eat meat to survive is the "moral" issue no longer an issue since there is no abusive farming industry behind the killing of the animal or is it always the killing of the animal that is the issue?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

As I said before, I think it's about consciousness & choice. I doubt vegans think they can (or even should) convince tigers to stop killing for their food. It's part of nature's balance. Carnivores serve an important purpose.

Humans are different. Not only do we have choices, but our population has spun out of control, so the choices we make are becoming more and more important.

And, personally I think they'd eat meat on a desert island if there was nothing else. I don't think they'd feel good about it, though. It's just that moral issues are kind of a luxary. Survival is more important when it comes down to it

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

It's an Australian Cattle Dog, You are right, they are high energy, very intelligent dogs.
Meggy and I share custody of one. Best dog in the world if you give it the right living conditions.
I may be wrong but I believe Shanti owned this breed before.

shellyevon said:

I'm not sure if she ever had one before. And I'm not saying you can't successfully own one but these are mental patients with fur Did you manage the dog through training, do you have a lot of land and or is the dog calm considering the breed?

Oh, please tell Meggy I said hello and I hope you two are doing well

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

That is an Australian Cattle Dog. I have owned two of them myself but red heelers and not a blue like the one in the pic.
I doubt we will find any ACD puppies here though, they are not a popular breed in this country.

All breeds have their issues so we have been doing some research. My male ACD was a Frisbee dog, they have to have something to do to keep them busy.
I have owned dogs of all breeds all of my life so I will make sure that it gets the right care and attention according to the breed we end up getting.

shanti0608 said:

OK, just wanted to give you a heads up

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Thanks! i know all about dogs. I am an only child that only had 4 legged siblings.
They are the best!

shanti0608 said:

sounds like you have a gift with the creatures. My friends did NOT! And they are smart My friend Beth's dog Joey figured his way out of the backyard all the time even though she had high fences and locked gates. She would chew, dig and jump her way out!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

There are some differences between ACD's and Australian Shepherd's. It is important to know the breed before you make the commitment.

This is the longest period in my life that I have not had a dog...a whole 6 months.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

at mental patients with fur. We've had Stelly since she was 13 weeks old and Meggy did most of her training. Steller has traned us as much as she's been trained. Steller's job is taking care of Meggy. When Meggy isn't here then she takes care of me, but I'm definitely second rate to her. We do a lot of walking and give her little jobs to do and she also keeps all the cats on their toes . I don't have a yard but that's okay because she would re-landscape any yard she was left in. Meggy has horses and Steller is in heaven when she's with them.
They are wonderful dogs, but it takes a dedicated person to deal with them.

We're really good right now, I will pass on your message. She's been here a few times lately so maybe she'll see this. [IMG]
This is oue Steller:

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My dogz r meat eaterz,but they also love fruit and veggiez 2.