matthewgrant said:

Along with those natural grains are some ground up meats

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

oh well that's good. I'm against turning pets vegetarian unless you happen to have a gorilla as a pet
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Anxiety said:

I was thinking of older times (ie what humans ate in the wild)

But still that is a bit surprising! But I guess they're a modern country. My Trader Joes beans come from China, so why can't Bjork eat a salad?
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matthewgrant said:

yeah, there's meat product in dry cat food. unless one of my cats get sick, they stick to a diet of 100% dry food (ok, so they might get a fair amount of kitty treats thrown in as well) - i think unless they're having a hard time eating or you need to sneak some meds into their food, there's no requirement for cats to eat wet/soft food. it's just another option.

Anxiety said:

the vet told me that it was better for our dog to eat what we had for dinner than canned stuff. My sister says all the cheap can food is like fast food for dogs, so it's better to prepare them something made from scratch. Our dog eats our scraps each night, what he likes of it anyway (he wasn't keen on sweet chilli stir fry )

matthewgrant said:

What if you're dating one?

ZombieKitten said:

Sweet Chili stir fry dog farts

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

what if you were dating a zombie? would you try to make him go vegetarian?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

if he's not eatting my meat I don't want him!

Anxiety said:

or HER

matthewgrant said:

ZombieKitten said:

FINE.


or HER, if you're a lesbian.

Anxiety said:

ZombieKitten said:

i think i need to direct this into a new thread.

they feed them meet.

I always find this odd that vegans and vegetarians who do it for humane reasons own meat eating pets, considering how the slaughter of animals for pet food probably is factory based and conditions for these slaughterhouses/factories are probably as bad if not more cruel than those those for humans. Ultimately, if you choose a vegan lifestyle, I would think that choosing to opt out of own meat eating pets would be a natural extension of that. I'm not talking about feeding your current animals soy based nasty shit....but once they pass away, why replace them? Get a rabbit or goat for crying out loud.

I'm a 'fexitarian' meaning I mostly eat a RAW vegan diet, with occasional spurges of anything else (meat, vegitarian, cooked vegan, etc.), but I'm doing it for health reasons, and also trying to see if I can live 'greener'. So the morale angle doesn't play so much into my decisions, but for those who choose to do it for morale reasons, they're rationalizations in defense of their decisions to own dogs and cats are as humorous as they are spirited.

Imago said:

so your conscience is fine but everyone else is a hypocrite.

matthewgrant said:

1) Are you a veggie due to humanitarian/moral reasons?

2) Do you plan on owning a meat eating pet after this one passes away?

Anxiety said:

I'm not a hypocrite. I'm not doing this for love of animals.
I'm doing it for my health mostly.

But as far as I see it, vegans and vegetarians who own cats and dogs might as well classify themselves as flexitarians whatever their reasons for opting out of meat for themselves.

Imago said:

but you've created this standard that for some reason you've decided everyone who factors moral issues into their veganism/vegetarianism must conform to in order for you to respect their validity. that ain't right.

sure, a big part of my being a vegetarianism has to do with moral/ethical issues. and no, i'm not completely ignorant of what goes on in the pet food industry. but i'm also of the belief that doing 40% or 75% or 84% is better than doing 0%, and so i don't share your belief that the practices of my beliefs have to be all-or-nothing in order to have validity. that's YOUR construct. keep that shit in your own yard.

Imago said:

because you've been appointed high arbiter of all things vegetarian, right? you're so sexy when you're judgmental.

Anxiety said:

It doesn't make a hypocrite. Again, it just doesn't.

I'm not saying that one shouldn't do what they can. And I'm not saying that anybody has to live up to my 'standards'

I'm saying pure and simple. If you're doing it for moral reasons--why own meat eating pets? It's not a huge thing to give up in one's life. There are alternatives.

And I don't dissagree with you that 40% is bettern than 0. Hell, 10 percent is better than zero.

But anyone who factors in moral reasons who can't give up owning meat eating pets confounds me. Pure and simple--I can't understand that.

It's like like all the Republicans who claim to support gay rights and love their gay friends, but voted for George Bush--I don't get it. Sure, there are other factors at play in their decisions, but the whole of them ultimately boils down to they voted for George Bush in my eyes.

Imago said:

i'm not calling you a hypocrite. i'm just saying that if your perceptions were any narrower, we could insert a lump of coal and you'd spit out a diamond.

you say that you aren't creating a set of "standards" that you expect people to live up to, then you go right back and repeat what you expect from people. not the strongest argument ever there, killer.

i guess in your eyes, i'm just a bush republican. WOW.

Anxiety said:

All I said was vegans who do it for moral reasons and still own meat eating pets make no sense to me. Rationalizations in defense of this ... now that's sexy

Cats are carnivores and can't shop and cook. I don't think it's that deep. They're cats.

Anxiety said:

No, I didn't say that.
You're not a bush republican.

You're just defensive flexitarian who owns meat eating pets

Absolutely nothing wrong with that when you look at it from my point of view. I do have a valid one you know

Imago said:

how exactly do you define "rationalization"?

Anxiety said:

How do you define hypocrite?

And the best part is when Vegans who do it for moral reasons own factory raised cats and dogs.

Imago said:

you of course have a right to your opinion, but i feel like you want to take your subjective hang-up and apply it as a blanket judgment on a more objectified level, and that gripes my defensive alleged-flexitarian ass.