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PrintableJasmineFire said: JustErin said: Rabies in rats (and all rodents) is extremely rare period...so they are not common carries and are not actively infecting cats, it's bats they are more likely to do that. Don't think that's true? You can probably google and see for yourself. Considering I dealt with rabies first hand (in bats) I absolutely know what I am talking about. Rabies causes an animal to be extremely irritable but it does not cause animals to go out and randomly look for things to attack. You have to provoke a sick animal in some way to have it act aggressively - and yes, it will be quick to act out aggressively once bothered. You may see a sick animal out because it's not 100% with it...but that doesn't mean it's out looking for it's next victim....it's not like the movie Cujo like many seem to think it is. 
And finally, of course rats and all wild animals should be avoided. No one should be going near any wild animal. But hey, think what you wish... Charlotte, find out where these things got in and do the repairs. This will solve your problem. what you describe is right and is what i meant with the word aggressive. I wasn't thinking about Cujo! Although animals that are affected with rabies will bite without being provoked, it's definitely not like Cujo.
In veterinary school they teach us that any animal that is acting abnormally, especially if they have neurologic signs, and has bitten someone unprovoked should be considered a rabies suspect and have their vaccination histroy checked. When an animal bites unprovoked or not, it is labeled as aggressive in most, if not all veterinary clinics. People such as yourself who have worked with wildlife do have lots of experience with rabies and I'm not trying to undermine that BUT I'm going to take the word of my very experienced and well respected veterinary professors and my experience in a veterinary clinic with domestic animals over the word of a wildlife volunteer. SOrry. I had no idea you were thinking Cujo when I was merely thinking "aggressive" in a veterinary context. 
Have fun with your rats, erin. First off, I wasn't a wildlife volunteer, I was a paid employee and I worked very, very closely with a vet clinic - in fact one of the premiere clinics in Ontario. This wasn't some backyard rehab center, this was a center funded by the city and province. I had the best of both worlds, experts in domestic animals and wild animals around me, so there is no reason to be condescending, k? And I bring up Cugo because, although you may know better...most people in fact do not - as shown in this thread. For fucks sake, someone posted that rats bite children.
As for the whole aggressive label...you’re looking at in purely domestic animal terms...a wild animal that bites is not automatically considered acting abnormally. It's in fact acting completely normal. We're talking wild animals here, not kitties and puppies. I had the wonderful opportunity to see both the domestic and wild worlds in terms of veterinary medicine/care. I dunno if you did but it doesn't sound like it. Anyway, if you're learning in school that rats are carriers of rabies and are infecting cats...I dunno...my close friend who has been a vet for years would have a good laugh at that one. | |
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JustErin said: JasmineFire said: what you describe is right and is what i meant with the word aggressive. I wasn't thinking about Cujo! Although animals that are affected with rabies will bite without being provoked, it's definitely not like Cujo.
In veterinary school they teach us that any animal that is acting abnormally, especially if they have neurologic signs, and has bitten someone unprovoked should be considered a rabies suspect and have their vaccination histroy checked. When an animal bites unprovoked or not, it is labeled as aggressive in most, if not all veterinary clinics. People such as yourself who have worked with wildlife do have lots of experience with rabies and I'm not trying to undermine that BUT I'm going to take the word of my very experienced and well respected veterinary professors and my experience in a veterinary clinic with domestic animals over the word of a wildlife volunteer. SOrry. I had no idea you were thinking Cujo when I was merely thinking "aggressive" in a veterinary context.
Have fun with your rats, erin. First off, I wasn't a wildlife volunteer, I was a paid employee and I worked very, very closely with a vet clinic - in fact one of the premiere clinics in Ontario. This wasn't some backyard rehab center, this was a center funded by the city and province. I had the best of both worlds, experts in domestic animals and wild animals around me, so there is no reason to be condescending, k? And I bring up Cugo because, although you may know better...most people in fact do not - as shown in this thread. For fucks sake, someone posted that rats bite children.
As for the whole aggressive label...you’re looking at in purely domestic animal terms...a wild animal that bites is not automatically considered acting abnormally. It's in fact acting completely normal. We're talking wild animals here, not kitties and puppies. I had the wonderful opportunity to see both the domestic and wild worlds in terms of veterinary medicine/care. I dunno if you did but it doesn't sound like it. Anyway, if you're learning in school that rats are carriers of rabies and are infecting cats...I dunno...my close friend who has been a vet for years would have a good laugh at that one. it's a possibility is all i was saying. it's not the highest of possibilities but the risk is there. You're veterinarian friend would also know that any mammal can also be infect with rabies. He should also know about Leptospirosis, unless that disease is not very common in the area where he works. maybe things are different in canada. 
wild animals usually shy away from humans and it is abnormal if they bite human beings when they are not being provoked and if they do so they are being aggressive. The link that I posted before actually discusses this. In fact, it's pretty abnormal for a wild animal to even approach a human being unless they are used to humans and then they are not really wild, are they? But then you probably already know this. Anyway we can just agree to disagree about rats. i know that my information is not wrong and you're not going to change my mind until I see your degree. Sorry. | |
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JasmineFire said: JustErin said: First off, I wasn't a wildlife volunteer, I was a paid employee and I worked very, very closely with a vet clinic - in fact one of the premiere clinics in Ontario. This wasn't some backyard rehab center, this was a center funded by the city and province. I had the best of both worlds, experts in domestic animals and wild animals around me, so there is no reason to be condescending, k? And I bring up Cugo because, although you may know better...most people in fact do not - as shown in this thread. For fucks sake, someone posted that rats bite children.
As for the whole aggressive label...you’re looking at in purely domestic animal terms...a wild animal that bites is not automatically considered acting abnormally. It's in fact acting completely normal. We're talking wild animals here, not kitties and puppies. I had the wonderful opportunity to see both the domestic and wild worlds in terms of veterinary medicine/care. I dunno if you did but it doesn't sound like it. Anyway, if you're learning in school that rats are carriers of rabies and are infecting cats...I dunno...my close friend who has been a vet for years would have a good laugh at that one. it's a possibility is all i was saying. it's not the highest of possibilities but the risk is there. You're veterinarian friend would also know that any mammal can also be infect with rabies. He should also know about Leptospirosis, unless that disease is not very common in the area where he works. maybe things are different in canada.
wild animals usually shy away from humans and it is abnormal if they bite human beings when they are not being provoked and if they do so they are being aggressive. The link that I posted before actually discusses this. In fact, it's pretty abnormal for a wild animal to even approach a human being unless they are used to humans and then they are not really wild, are they? But then you probably already know this. Anyway we can just agree to disagree about rats. i know that my information is not wrong and you're not going to change my mind until I see your degree. Sorry. We agree with most everything being said. You just seem to think that these rodents are main carriers of rabies in terms of infecting pets. A little research will totally dispute that. I'm not disputing cases of Leptospirosis, in fact I was curious about it and asked for some kind of statistic on cases of rodent/human transmission. I'm much more familiar with baylisacaris - something else that people tend to flip out over but cases are so rare. Yes, it's normal for wild animals to shy away, but there is a difference between an animal approaching someone and just being out and not being totally aware of it's surroundings. As well, distemper is far more common than rabies and the symptoms are very similar. And even with that said, urban animals are not as shy as they are just used to their surroundings. You can walk downtown here late at night and see a raccoon chilling out nearby - a perfectly healthy raccoon. Also, urban wildlife tend to be healthier and there is less cases of virus (rabies, distemper) than those in rural settings. I've seen first hand the effects of rabies and distemper on animals, along with many other illnesses. Again, although any mammal can carry the disease, I know for a fact that these types of illness are an issue with vector species and not an issue with rodents. I may not have a degree in veterinary sciences but I have a hell of a lot of field experience with wildlife - which is something that not too many vets have. My friend has a degree and said experience (we worked very closely together) I'll base my opinion on that as well as facts. | |
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JustErin said: JasmineFire said: it's a possibility is all i was saying. it's not the highest of possibilities but the risk is there. You're veterinarian friend would also know that any mammal can also be infect with rabies. He should also know about Leptospirosis, unless that disease is not very common in the area where he works. maybe things are different in canada.
wild animals usually shy away from humans and it is abnormal if they bite human beings when they are not being provoked and if they do so they are being aggressive. The link that I posted before actually discusses this. In fact, it's pretty abnormal for a wild animal to even approach a human being unless they are used to humans and then they are not really wild, are they? But then you probably already know this. Anyway we can just agree to disagree about rats. i know that my information is not wrong and you're not going to change my mind until I see your degree. Sorry. We agree with most everything being said. You just seem to think that these rodents are main carriers of rabies in terms of infecting pets. A little research will totally dispute that. I'm not disputing cases of Leptospirosis, in fact I was curious about it and asked for some kind of statistic on cases of rodent/human transmission. I'm much more familiar with baylisacaris - something else that people tend to flip out over but cases are so rare. Yes, it's normal for wild animals to shy away, but there is a difference between an animal approaching someone and just being out and not being totally aware of it's surroundings. As well, distemper is far more common than rabies and the symptoms are very similar. And even with that said, urban animals are not as shy as they are just used to their surroundings. You can walk downtown here late at night and see a raccoon chilling out nearby - a perfectly healthy raccoon. Also, urban wildlife tend to be healthier and there is less cases of virus (rabies, distemper) than those in rural settings. I've seen first hand the effects of rabies and distemper on animals, along with many other illnesses. Again, although any mammal can carry the disease, I know for a fact that these types of illness are an issue with vector species and not an issue with rodents. I may not have a degree in veterinary sciences but I have a hell of a lot of field experience with wildlife - which is something that not too many vets have. My friend has a degree and said experience (we worked very closely together) I'll base my opinion on that as well as facts. 
although in some places rabies is more common than distemper, it's region. Where I grew up, distemper is unheard of but where I'm studying right now, distemper is common and rabies is more rare. i really do respect your experience with wildlife, more people do need to be involved in that area. I have some wildlife experience but not tons and unfortunately I'm just not interested in that area of medicine. I'm a priss who wants to treat cats, dogs, lizards, and birds. | |
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JasmineFire said: JustErin said: We agree with most everything being said. You just seem to think that these rodents are main carriers of rabies in terms of infecting pets. A little research will totally dispute that. I'm not disputing cases of Leptospirosis, in fact I was curious about it and asked for some kind of statistic on cases of rodent/human transmission. I'm much more familiar with baylisacaris - something else that people tend to flip out over but cases are so rare. Yes, it's normal for wild animals to shy away, but there is a difference between an animal approaching someone and just being out and not being totally aware of it's surroundings. As well, distemper is far more common than rabies and the symptoms are very similar. And even with that said, urban animals are not as shy as they are just used to their surroundings. You can walk downtown here late at night and see a raccoon chilling out nearby - a perfectly healthy raccoon. Also, urban wildlife tend to be healthier and there is less cases of virus (rabies, distemper) than those in rural settings. I've seen first hand the effects of rabies and distemper on animals, along with many other illnesses. Again, although any mammal can carry the disease, I know for a fact that these types of illness are an issue with vector species and not an issue with rodents. I may not have a degree in veterinary sciences but I have a hell of a lot of field experience with wildlife - which is something that not too many vets have. My friend has a degree and said experience (we worked very closely together) I'll base my opinion on that as well as facts.
although in some places rabies is more common than distemper, it's region. Where I grew up, distemper is unheard of but where I'm studying right now, distemper is common and rabies is more rare. i really do respect your experience with wildlife, more people do need to be involved in that area. I have some wildlife experience but not tons and unfortunately I'm just not interested in that area of medicine. I'm a priss who wants to treat cats, dogs, lizards, and birds. I was working at the center when the raccoon rabies strain crossed the border into Ontario for the first time. The province did a massive campaign of trapping and euthanizing all vector species within a certain km radius of the infection site and a very broad trap and vaccinate program outside that area. So far, we've been able to keep that strain at bay. But it will eventually make it's way here. Distemper is very common here but it's cyclical so we only see it every few years. Most vets I know are not really interested in wildlife either...and that's cool, everyone has their preferences. So Charlotte, get rid of those critters yet?? | |
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JustErin said: JasmineFire said:
although in some places rabies is more common than distemper, it's region. Where I grew up, distemper is unheard of but where I'm studying right now, distemper is common and rabies is more rare. i really do respect your experience with wildlife, more people do need to be involved in that area. I have some wildlife experience but not tons and unfortunately I'm just not interested in that area of medicine. I'm a priss who wants to treat cats, dogs, lizards, and birds. I was working at the center when the raccoon rabies strain crossed the border into Ontario for the first time. The province did a massive campaign of trapping and euthanizing all vector species within a certain km radius of the infection site and a very broad trap and vaccinate program outside that area. So far, we've been able to keep that strain at bay. But it will eventually make it's way here. Distemper is very common here but it's cyclical so we only see it every few years. Most vets I know are not really interested in wildlife either...and that's cool, everyone has their preferences. So Charlotte, get rid of those critters yet?? No.  | |
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ZombieKitten said: JerseyKRS said: make a little balloon pouch out of plastic wrap, filled with peanut butter. Poke holes in it with a toothpick and put that on the trap. That way they have to actually pull it to get it. That's the trick.
they are totally over peanut butter. I will definitely try chocolate! I bet they like Nutella! and dog food, not that we have a dog wait, I thought you got a dog? My Legacy
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NDRU said: ZombieKitten said: they are totally over peanut butter. I will definitely try chocolate! I bet they like Nutella! and dog food, now that we have a dog wait, I thought you got a dog?
TYPO!!!!  | |
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ZombieKitten said: NDRU said: wait, I thought you got a dog?
TYPO!!!! aw, cute li'l bugger! kysse him berd! My Legacy
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NDRU said: ZombieKitten said:
TYPO!!!! aw, cute li'l bugger! kysse him berd! as long as you don't kist his toyte!  | |
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