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Anxiety said: CarrieMpls said: You didn't even mention gender... interesting... i guess that omission is its own answer Co- sign | |
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CarrieMpls said: I don't see how anyone doesn't have gender as a top defining thing. For me it's HUGE.  That's a thought. | |
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2the9s said: Stymie said: Which of the above has shaped you most? I guess we are "shaped" by those things we are least aware of and least in control of. You smell funny, have I ever told you that? Which is why people often tend to rail against being shaped by any or all of those things, because this would intrude on our self-perceived sovereignty (which I do believe exists). You're dafter than I thought | |
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LleeLlee said: 2the9s said: I guess we are "shaped" by those things we are least aware of and least in control of. You smell funny, have I ever told you that? Which is why people often tend to rail against being shaped by any or all of those things, because this would intrude on our self-perceived sovereignty (which I do believe exists). You're dafter than I thought Who ARE you??!! | |
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Religion and ethnicity. "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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2the9s said: LleeLlee said: You're dafter than I thought Who ARE you??!! I'm a simple being, easily pleased I am, I just need a pot of porridge in the mornings, a loving man and me bunny slippers. | |
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Stymie said: My homework assignment was to write an autobiographical story based on the following:
Can explain how two or more of the factors of race, ethnicity, nationality, socioeconomic status, age, gender, sexual orientation or religion interact to shape oneself or others. Which of the above has shaped you most? I chose sexual orientation and religion. Definitely RACE AND SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS.....the playing field will never be level for us folks!! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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Stymie said: My homework assignment was to write an autobiographical story based on the following:
Can explain how two or more of the factors of race, ethnicity, nationality, socioeconomic status, age, gender, sexual orientation or religion interact to shape oneself or others. Which of the above has shaped you most? I chose sexual orientation and religion. U like peni and vagini I'd say you are orientated like a muthafucka!! Whap  The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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DexMSR said: U like peni and vagini I'd say you are orientated like a muthafucka!! Whap Case Closed.  | |
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MsLegs said: DexMSR said: U like peni and vagini I'd say you are orientated like a muthafucka!! Whap Case Closed. Whap! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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CarrieMpls said: Anxiety said: i guess the way i am thinking about it is, what if i grew up in the pre-stonewall era? i'd probably be shaped differently by my sexual orientation than i have been by coming of age in the 80s, when i think there was a relatively more liberated view on such things. and i think kids today have an even more liberated view on it than my generation. and while we may not be conscious of how our age shapes us, i think it absolutely does. i think of how the older generations of women in my family considered their gender vs. the women i know who are my own age - it seems like there's a lot of difference. I don't see how anyone doesn't have gender as a top defining thing. For me it's HUGE. For you it's huge because you're a woman. It's the same reason you don't see many white folks citing "race." White people get to be relatively oblivious of their race; men generally get to be fairly oblivious to their gender. The Normal Whores Club | |
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FunkMistress said: CarrieMpls said: I don't see how anyone doesn't have gender as a top defining thing. For me it's HUGE. For you it's huge because you're a woman. It's the same reason you don't see many white folks citing "race." White people get to be relatively oblivious of their race; men generally get to be fairly oblivious to their gender. Exactly. | |
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Maybe my head's been in Hinduism and Buddhism too much these past weeks, but this a strikingly western approach to identity.
Race, ethnicity, nationality, socioeconomic status, age, gender, sexual orientation, religion? They're mere clothing, adornments, masks created for security, faux self-realization, power. Some of them are manmade, the others are things we focus on more than we probably should. At this point in my life, none of those things come close to shaping me. We're so much more than these concepts, though I understand your assignment. I'd love to hear how it goes, love. PS--  Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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INSATIABLE said: Maybe my head's been in Hinduism and Buddhism too much these past weeks, but this a strikingly western approach to identity.
Race, ethnicity, nationality, socioeconomic status, age, gender, sexual orientation, religion? They're mere clothing, adornments, masks created for security, faux self-realization, power. Some of them are manmade, the others are things we focus on more than we probably should. At this point in my life, none of those things come close to shaping me. We're so much more than these concepts, though I understand your assignment. I'd love to hear how it goes, love. PS--
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Stymie said: I'd love for you to read it.
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To be honest, I don't see any of them as being more influential - because I don't think of myself in such terms. I realize that being caucasian and of a particular socioeconomic status had a hand in where I lived growing up. But that was just taken as a matter of course - it wasn't something to be dwelled on. I've never expected anyone to give me anything because I'm white or middle- to upper-middle class. I've worked for everything I've gotten in life - the same as my parents did.
Religion. Hmmm. Well, I was raised Catholic. But it didn't really take, so I can't say that's a big factor in who I am. Race and ethnicity don't really matter to me - I've had friends of lots of races and ethnicities. No biggie. Gender...again, not really. I have four sisters and my parents raised us all as people, not as "girls." They didn't try to push us into "girl things" or limit our aspirations in any way. (Three of the four of us went into male-dominated professions, in fact.) Sexual orientation...no. I am what I am. I don't broadcast it. I think sex is a very profound and personal thing and I don't discuss specifics with anyone except the object of my desire. (Hmmm...maybe that's kinda Catholic...) I don't know what categories they fall under, but the most profound influences in my life were my parents. They're both very intelligent people who also happen to have insane amounts of common sense. They're both good with their hands (my dad can build pretty much anything and my mom is an amazing and imaginative seamstress). I was fortunate enough to inherit all this from them. I think the thing that's difficult about the assignment is that it tries to put the nature vs. nurture argument into terms that are politically correct and better suited to politics. There is something to be said for intelligence, common sense and drive. But we don't want to come out and say that some people will advance and others will be limited by their smarts (or lack thereof), do we? Or that a person's level of intelligence has an impact on how they view the word or where they end up in it? Because it would be mean to say someone just doesn't have it upstairs - and that that would shape who they are. Please don't misunderstand: I'm not saying the other things don't have an impact. I am fully aware that race and all the other items on the list do shape peoples' lives. I would never argue that they don't. I'm just saying the list is incomplete. [Edited 2/21/08 12:33pm] We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: To be honest, I don't see any of them as being more influential - because I don't think of myself in such terms. I realize that being caucasian and of a particular socioeconomic status had a hand in where I lived growing up. But that was just taken as a matter of course - it wasn't something to be dwelled on. I've never expected anyone to give me anything because I'm white or middle- to upper-middle class. I've worked for everything I've gotten in life - the same as my parents did.
The list is very incomplete. The assignment was for 2000 to 6000 words and I barely made it to 2100. My sexual orientation and religion play very big factors in how i treat people but aside from saying I try to live by the golden rule and I like coochie, what else is there to say? Religion. Hmmm. Well, I was raised Catholic. But it didn't really take, so I can't say that's a big factor in who I am. Race and ethnicity don't really matter to me - I've had friends of lots of races and ethnicities. No biggie. Gender...again, not really. I have four sisters and my parents raised us all as people, not as "girls." They didn't try to push us into "girl things" or limit our aspirations in any way. (Three of the four of us went into male-dominated professions, in fact.) Sexual orientation...no. I am what I am. I don't broadcast it. I think sex is a very profound and personal thing and I don't discuss specifics with anyone except the object of my desire. (Hmmm...maybe that's kinda Catholic...) I don't know what categories they fall under, but the most profound influences in my life were my parents. They're both very intelligent people who also happen to have insane amounts of common sense. They're both good with their hands (my dad can build pretty much anything and my mom is an amazing and imaginative seamstress). I was fortunate enough to inherit all this from them. I think the thing that's difficult about the assignment is that it tries to put the nature vs. nurture argument into terms that are politically correct and better suited to politics. There is something to be said for intelligence, common sense and drive. But we don't want to come out and say that some people will advance and others will be limited by their smarts (or lack thereof), do we? Or that a person's level of intelligence has an impact on how they view the word or where they end up in it? Because it would be mean to say someone just doesn't have it upstairs - and that that would shape who they are. Please don't misunderstand: I'm not saying the other things don't have an impact. I am fully aware that race and all the other items on the list do shape peoples' lives. I would never argue that they don't. I'm just saying the list is incomplete. [Edited 2/21/08 12:33pm]
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Stymie said: Genesia said: To be honest, I don't see any of them as being more influential - because I don't think of myself in such terms. I realize that being caucasian and of a particular socioeconomic status had a hand in where I lived growing up. But that was just taken as a matter of course - it wasn't something to be dwelled on. I've never expected anyone to give me anything because I'm white or middle- to upper-middle class. I've worked for everything I've gotten in life - the same as my parents did.
The list is very incomplete. The assignment was for 2000 to 6000 words and I barely made it to 2100. My sexual orientation and religion play very big factors in how i treat people but aside from saying I try to live by the golden rule and I like coochie, what else is there to say? Religion. Hmmm. Well, I was raised Catholic. But it didn't really take, so I can't say that's a big factor in who I am. Race and ethnicity don't really matter to me - I've had friends of lots of races and ethnicities. No biggie. Gender...again, not really. I have four sisters and my parents raised us all as people, not as "girls." They didn't try to push us into "girl things" or limit our aspirations in any way. (Three of the four of us went into male-dominated professions, in fact.) Sexual orientation...no. I am what I am. I don't broadcast it. I think sex is a very profound and personal thing and I don't discuss specifics with anyone except the object of my desire. (Hmmm...maybe that's kinda Catholic...) I don't know what categories they fall under, but the most profound influences in my life were my parents. They're both very intelligent people who also happen to have insane amounts of common sense. They're both good with their hands (my dad can build pretty much anything and my mom is an amazing and imaginative seamstress). I was fortunate enough to inherit all this from them. I think the thing that's difficult about the assignment is that it tries to put the nature vs. nurture argument into terms that are politically correct and better suited to politics. There is something to be said for intelligence, common sense and drive. But we don't want to come out and say that some people will advance and others will be limited by their smarts (or lack thereof), do we? Or that a person's level of intelligence has an impact on how they view the word or where they end up in it? Because it would be mean to say someone just doesn't have it upstairs - and that that would shape who they are. Please don't misunderstand: I'm not saying the other things don't have an impact. I am fully aware that race and all the other items on the list do shape peoples' lives. I would never argue that they don't. I'm just saying the list is incomplete. [Edited 2/21/08 12:33pm]
I have enjoyed this class but this was my least favorite assignment. 
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Genesia said: Stymie said: The list is very incomplete. The assignment was for 2000 to 6000 words and I barely made it to 2100. My sexual orientation and religion play very big factors in how i treat people but aside from saying I try to live by the golden rule and I like coochie, what else is there to say?
I have enjoyed this class but this was my least favorite assignment.
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Stymie said: I chose sexual orientation and religion.
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Anxiety said: Stymie said: Thanks for this Chris. It's pretty much how I narrowed down my choices. Yeah, there are other things that define me more that would have been much easier for me to write about.
i'd be interested in knowing how someone feels they're not significantly shaped by their age. i'm sure that's true for some people, but i think when we were born and the times during which we're alive would have to shape us more than anything, no? the age thing I think would kind of be hard to pin down as it is always changing 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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myfavorite said: oh now it looks complicated.....nevamind...
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Socieconomic status....and gender...
I grew up very poor..... I kick ass now..... Being a strong man has helped through many tough situations.... Oh and I'm Ken Phillips....damn nice to meet you.... | |
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These days, it's more age & gender. But for the longest time I think it was race & socioeconomic status...   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Stymie said: My homework assignment was to write an autobiographical story based on the following:
Can explain how two or more of the factors of race, ethnicity, nationality, socioeconomic status, age, gender, sexual orientation or religion interact to shape oneself or others. Which of the above has shaped you most? I chose sexual orientation and religion. you know i love this kinda ish! race, religion, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation and socioeconmic status in that order. race because the majority of men i've been with are not of my race and it's caused issues for others that i then was expected to deal with... but knowing me you know what i had to say to that  that was until the klan came knocking... also for the fact that my beautiful daughters are of another race and the bullshat that at times placed in my path along the way. also, having a front seat to the lives of all people... to observe and learn... i feel it's given me the ability to understand people on a level i wouldn't have otherwise. i feel blessed... for the absolute and undeniable BEAUTY of it all.. of the experience... blessed blessed.
religion because i have 'known' since i was a small child that i loved God and wanted to know Him more more more! my family didn't go to church so i began to go to a small church down the street by myself when i was a tiny little thing. through all the years i attended church i knew that at least for me there was something 'more'. that more i have now found through years of searching and struggle. the more was that there is no one answer. that there is a God, that God is love. not judgment or condemnation... just love. period. at least for me, this is my truth. religion plays absolutely no part in that yet it is what led me to it. kinda cool 
gender because being a girl, young woman and woman i learned quick that being pretty wasn't always a good thing, that being a little girls wasn't always a good thing... and there were some people (men) that could/would see no further than their own sick desires. too many women have to learn this all to soon. BUT every moment of my life has led to my now and i wouldn't change or trade it. so much BEAUTY has come from being a woman! giving birth! multiple orgasms! lol! i love women for their strength, determination, resiliency and ability to get shit done!!! i'm proud to be a woman and mos def wouldn't change that for anything! being a woman is a beautiful wonderful experience. ethnicity for the mixed up jumbled masses of blood lines running through me. i have always been enthralled with my native american background. i have at least 2 lines of native american blood. going to and spending time at the reservation this past summer satisfied much of that for me. most people look at me and see light skin, light hair... white girl lol that's all they see. and i'm cool with that now but for years it bothered me. i wanted people to see ALL of me. i'm proud of my native american heritage and only wish i'd known more about it sooner. i realized over the summer how much it had truly affected me throughout my life. now, i am just so thankful for all of everything that makes me Ginnie. i may be a mushy dork, but i can dig it!  | |
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TaoDevi said: Stymie said: My homework assignment was to write an autobiographical story based on the following:
Can explain how two or more of the factors of race, ethnicity, nationality, socioeconomic status, age, gender, sexual orientation or religion interact to shape oneself or others. Which of the above has shaped you most? I chose sexual orientation and religion. you know i love this kinda ish! race, religion, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation and socioeconmic status in that order. race because the majority of men i've been with are not of my race and it's caused issues for others that i then was expected to deal with... but knowing me you know what i had to say to that that was until the klan came knocking... also for the fact that my beautiful daughters are of another race and the bullshat that at times placed in my path along the way. also, having a front seat to the lives of all people... to observe and learn... i feel it's given me the ability to understand people on a level i wouldn't have otherwise. i feel blessed... for the absolute and undeniable BEAUTY of it all.. of the experience... blessed blessed.
religion because i have 'known' since i was a small child that i loved God and wanted to know Him more more more! my family didn't go to church so i began to go to a small church down the street by myself when i was a tiny little thing. through all the years i attended church i knew that at least for me there was something 'more'. that more i have now found through years of searching and struggle. the more was that there is no one answer. that there is a God, that God is love. not judgment or condemnation... just love. period. at least for me, this is my truth. religion plays absolutely no part in that yet it is what led me to it. kinda cool
gender because being a girl, young woman and woman i learned quick that being pretty wasn't always a good thing, that being a little girls wasn't always a good thing... and there were some people (men) that could/would see no further than their own sick desires. too many women have to learn this all to soon. BUT every moment of my life has led to my now and i wouldn't change or trade it. so much BEAUTY has come from being a woman! giving birth! multiple orgasms! lol! i love women for their strength, determination, resiliency and ability to get shit done!!! i'm proud to be a woman and mos def wouldn't change that for anything! being a woman is a beautiful wonderful experience. ethnicity for the mixed up jumbled masses of blood lines running through me. i have always been enthralled with my native american background. i have at least 2 lines of native american blood. going to and spending time at the reservation this past summer satisfied much of that for me. most people look at me and see light skin, light hair... white girl lol that's all they see. and i'm cool with that now but for years it bothered me. i wanted people to see ALL of me. i'm proud of my native american heritage and only wish i'd known more about it sooner. i realized over the summer how much it had truly affected me throughout my life. now, i am just so thankful for all of everything that makes me Ginnie. i may be a mushy dork, but i can dig it! | |
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age and gender | |
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