ZombieKitten said:

It is the ultimate melodrama--extremely heavy-handed in its sappiness. But Kristin Scott Thomas is nekkid in it so I give it a thumbs up.

I never saw this movie, but I do remember seeing a bunch of reviews of this movie when it came out that basically said that it was a porno disguised as a Quentin Tarrantino film. There was a whole sort of mini-movement of thinly disguised porn as mainstream movies that were done by dome French directors. Intimacy is another movie like Baise Moi (without the violence), and while the actor and actress who star in the movie are mainstream actors, the director insisted on them having real sex on screen and showed the female lead giving a blow job to the male lead. Romance is another so-called mainstream French film with graphic sex scenes and even features a guest role from Rocco Sifreddi. Then there's an American "art" film called 9 Songs which is basically a couples porno interspersed with live alt-rock music performances. Of course, there's the actual porno called Pirates which is a send up of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies that has major movie production values and CGI special effects and has even been edited down to an R-rated version to be rented at Blockbuster.

sextonseven said:

oh, will give that one a miss then

Serious said:

Double -

Ace said:

Not unless they are Dutch.

sextonseven said:

sextonseven said:

If they are you can smoke a joint with them while watching .

728huey said:

9 Songs That's another one I have filed with my 'real' movies.

sextonseven said:

Okay, how many "not real" movies have you got in the back room? And as you are American it is okay if you don't want to tell in public, but only via orgnote .

sextonseven said:

Which one is Kristin Scott Thomas?

...Oh, wait a minute. I thought you were talking about Animal Trainer 5.

Serious said:

sextonseven said:

Serious said

Actually, I'm not ashamed to talk about my porn viewing habits. I rented those movies while I also forgot to mention Y Tu Mama Tambien which I saw on IFC. I just have a stash of hardcore porn I downloaded over the past few years in a box stashed next to my computer. I'm finding less of a need to download free porn when I can find it on the porno versions of YouTube.

Even with the so-called enlightened European sex films posing as mainstream, I still notice that the directors go through contorted lengths to make the sex in those movies unerotic. Even when they hop from bed to bed, they make it about the emptiness of the experience and/or the characters involved. At least in the Euro movies, they end with the characters either psychologically damaged but alive or having an epiphany that leads them back to true love; in American movies, sex is either portrayed in middle-school boy fantasies consisting of embarrassing fart jokes and bodily function gags, or if taken relatively seriously involve hidden morality tales where the sexually "promiscuous" character is secretly a murderer or ends up dead, usually in a violent fashion. For once I'd like to see a movie that is truly erotic where the characters are unashamed of their sexual escapades and truly enjoy getting it on before fighting off the cops trying to bust them, or evil aliens and/or zombies trying to destroy mankind. VH1 had a special about movie plot device cliches, and I specifically remember one of them stating "Virgins live. Sluts die."

sextonseven said:

My last relationship could've been the basis for that movie. GREAT flick. And awesome soundtrack.

Ace said:

Melinda is in 7

ZombieKitten said:

That's why it is far, far superior to both 5 and The English Patient.

Ace said:

oh I won't be bothering with those

728huey said:

Thank you for answering (contrary to someone else ), I really appreciate it! I agree with almost everything you are saying . The only part I don't agree with is that I am tired of any characters fighting off the cops trying to bust them or evil aliens and/or zombies trying to destroy mankind even if they'd have really hot sex before that happens. Isn't it a total turn off when zombies or aliens appears shortly after a sexual escapade as you call it?

Some stories behind this movie are pretty sad. Karen Bach - first known as Karen Lancaume, well know french porn actress in the end of the nineties - was retired from porn business when she started to shoot Baise Moi. At that time, she was homeless, addicted to differents drugs and into depression. When she has to shoot her sex scenes for the movie, it was really a nightmare for her and she cried for hours. She committed suicide on january 2005 by overdosing on sleeping pills.

The other main role, Raffaëla Anderson, was also an adult film performer, really marked by her experience in porn business. She is today a writer and she wrote a deep and poignant book about her painful experience. It's called Hard. Dunno if that book is available in english though.

sextonseven, do you have In the Realm of the Senses?

Serious said:

I meant the cop chase and evil zombies and aliens as a metaphor. Like I said earlier, having a really erotic sex scene shouldn't automatically preclude that the characters meet a horrible demise. What puzzles me is how there are so many so-called romantic movies that have virtually no sex in it. If you read a lot of the trashy romance novels that are out in the bookstores today, there are a lot of passages involving explicit sex between the main characters (which is the primary reason they are trashy to begin with). Many of these passages in these romance novels would be right at home in Penthouse Forum. If it's okay for someone to write about some impassioned lover dripping wet in delirious ecstasy wrapping her luscious lips around her hunky lover's throbbing manhood, why is it so taboo to put this in a movie that's meant to be shown at the local mutiplex?

728huey said:

I totally agree!