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PrintableuPtoWnNY said: ButterscotchPimp said: But, i'm a Star Trek guy. Have been since i was a kid.
Best - First Contact, Wrath of Khan Worst - the one Shatner directed...OMFG.... I have this argument with my friends all the time about the effect of Star Trek on popular culture over Star Wars. Star Trek changed our CULTURE. Star Wars were some movies that were alright when we were kids. And of course, odd number Star Trek movies = bad, even numbers = good. (even though i really liked ST: The Motion Picture. And TNG, DS9, and Voyager all were really good television at different points. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ButterscotchPimp said: Star Trek changed our CULTURE.
Who ever thought we'd have telephones that look like those silly communicators? 
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all you pop culture critics do me a favor and read 'the power of myth' and get back with me about this "overrated pile of crap" bizness.  | |
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KoolEaze said: If anything, they´re totally underrated and most ignorant people just see them as another science fiction movies based in the future , though the movie says " A long time ago, in a galaxy far away.."
George Lucas really worked his ass off to create these masterpieces, and he really believed in what he was doing, hats off to that, and he took many popular mythologies and created something new ( in some way, this reminds me a bit of Prince...creating something new from old ingredients, creating your own little world....) . Germany has the Grimm brothers ( great collectors of fairy tales ) , the Danes have Christian Andersen, the English have JRR Tolkien, and the Turks and Arabs have Dede Korkut and 1001 Nights...but America has George Lucas, creator of one of my favorite fairy tales ever. Star Wars is untouchable...and sometimes it takes a closer,second look to realize what it´s all about. Much respect to George Lucas, one of the most inspiring people in Hollywood who never really wanted to be a part of Hollywood. I love this post... 
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Moonbeam said: Yes- that steaming pile of crap is arguably the most overrated movie of all time!
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Anxiety said: all you pop culture critics do me a favor and read 'the power of myth' and get back with me about this "overrated pile of crap" bizness.
OR, we could just list the many ways that Star Trek has influenced our culture and compare it to how Star Wars hasn't and it would be a pretty short discussion. The original trilogy was alright. If you took out the cast (which is primarily what made it extraordinary) then it's pretty blah. Which is why the second trilogy was a DISASTER. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ButterscotchPimp said: Anxiety said: all you pop culture critics do me a favor and read 'the power of myth' and get back with me about this "overrated pile of crap" bizness.
OR, we could just list the many ways that Star Trek has influenced our culture and compare it to how Star Wars hasn't and it would be a pretty short discussion. The original trilogy was alright. If you took out the cast (which is primarily what made it extraordinary) then it's pretty blah. Which is why the second trilogy was a DISASTER. i can't even transport my brain to the bizarro world that inspired the first paragraph of your response, so you just go ahead and make that list and i'll make sure nobody messes with your lovely tin foil hat. SERIOUSLY, i'm not even gonna get into a "star trek vs. star wars" debate, because to me, there's no debate to be had. each franchise has had a HUGE impact on popular culture, and i'm sure both franchises have influenced each other over the years. i'm not even getting into this particular "either/or" foolishness. take it to fanboy.com 
and, um, if you took out the cast of the original star wars trilogy, you'd be left with all the special effects, creature designs, costumes, and one of the most famous film soundtracks of all time. are you okay? | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: Anxiety said: all you pop culture critics do me a favor and read 'the power of myth' and get back with me about this "overrated pile of crap" bizness.
OR, we could just list the many ways that Star Trek has influenced our culture and compare it to how Star Wars hasn't and it would be a pretty short discussion. The original trilogy was alright. If you took out the cast (which is primarily what made it extraordinary) then it's pretty blah. Which is why the second trilogy was a DISASTER. I'm a trekkie from waaay back but I gotta give Lucas his props. I say the universe is big enough for both, yay!  Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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I feel the first one from the 70's is horribly dated. But Empire Strikes Back is one of my favorite films ever. I suppose it was due to the leap in technology and budget, but even as a story, it was grand. Although ironically I realize it flows on greatly from the first.
For me, it's all due to the modern prequels. Seeing Darth Vader twisting plastic knobs in his clunky fighter in IV, then as a child operating a sleek, high-tech jet with computer targeting or some such stuff in Phantom Menace puts me off. Also all that Battledroid nonsense. Honestly George, your galaxy far far away has more holes than Paris Hilton.  I'm afraid of Americans. I'm afraid of the world. | |
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It's still an obvious influence on many modern movies, tv shows, the way many big movie project businesses are strategized, and games, and even the real life technology like car interiors, interfaces, software, etc.
I'd say most people are quite underrating it. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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and I do mean the 1977 film Star Wars which was the most influential and groundbreaking and most watched of all the Lucas films. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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i never like star wars, i can't stand sci-fi dribble..the only sci-fi movie i ever loved was blade runner, and that movie suck arse. | |
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baroque said: i never like star wars, i can't stand sci-fi dribble..the only sci-fi movie i ever loved was blade runner, and that movie suck arse.
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I love sci-fi, but all of these competing alien races with bumpy foreheads and laser beam eyes are just ridiculous to me. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Moonbeam said: I love sci-fi, but all of these competing alien races with bumpy foreheads and laser beam eyes are just ridiculous to me.
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Anxiety said: ButterscotchPimp said: OR, we could just list the many ways that Star Trek has influenced our culture and compare it to how Star Wars hasn't and it would be a pretty short discussion. The original trilogy was alright. If you took out the cast (which is primarily what made it extraordinary) then it's pretty blah. Which is why the second trilogy was a DISASTER. i can't even transport my brain to the bizarro world that inspired the first paragraph of your response, so you just go ahead and make that list and i'll make sure nobody messes with your lovely tin foil hat. SERIOUSLY, i'm not even gonna get into a "star trek vs. star wars" debate, because to me, there's no debate to be had. each franchise has had a HUGE impact on popular culture, and i'm sure both franchises have influenced each other over the years. i'm not even getting into this particular "either/or" foolishness. take it to fanboy.com
and, um, if you took out the cast of the original star wars trilogy, you'd be left with all the special effects, creature designs, costumes, and one of the most famous film soundtracks of all time. are you okay? Love it!  | |
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Moonbeam said: I love sci-fi, but all of these competing alien races with bumpy foreheads and laser beam eyes are just ridiculous to me.
Love love love that song!! "Picture the aliens Bumps on their foreheads the girl with the laser beam eyyyyeeesssss!!"  My Legacy
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I posted this on the other Star Wars thread too but it didn't get any luvin so here it goes again:
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retina said: I posted this on the other Star Wars thread too but it didn't get any luvin so here it goes again:
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overrated?
yeah maybe. RIP 1958-2016 Prince  RIP 1947-2016 David Bowie
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NDRU said: Moonbeam said: I love sci-fi, but all of these competing alien races with bumpy foreheads and laser beam eyes are just ridiculous to me.
Love love love that song!! "Picture the aliens Bumps on their foreheads the girl with the laser beam eyyyyeeesssss!!" "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Absolutely not. Star Wars changed everything.
It consolidated a lot of famous myths and archetypes into one unforgettable combination. Darth Vader is the epitome of the irresistibly cool villain, lightsabers are the quintessential mythological weapon, and The Force is the most brilliant spiritual component ever in a sci-fi series. Star Wars introduced special effects that were unheard of at the time, and that's why you have all those Pixar films now that people love so much. That's not even to mention the fact that it had the courage to introduce a symphony orchestra soundtrack in an era of disco, and an upbeat, positive message in an era of anti-heroes. It's not overrated at all. It's a crucial part of American popular culture. [Edited 12/6/07 18:20pm] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: Absolutely not. Star Wars changed everything.
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Outdated from a production standpoint -- sure. Overrated? Heck no! As some have suggested, that original trilogy was probably the definitive hero's journey at least in Western literature since C.S. Lewis' work. I'd say the only thing we've gotten since then even approaching that level of success in tapping the power of myth is the Harry Potter series. (The books, not the films.)
The latter three Star Wars films were utter trash, though. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: Outdated from a production standpoint -- sure. Overrated? Heck no! As some have suggested, that original trilogy was probably the definitive hero's journey at least in Western literature since C.S. Lewis' work. I'd say the only thing we've gotten since then even approaching that level of success in tapping the power of myth is the Harry Potter series. (The books, not the films.)
The latter three Star Wars films were utter trash, though. i don't think the second trilogy was UTTER trash. it was maybe like a few kernels of really tasty stuff mixed into a trash casserole. you could see the outline of lucas' original intended story of anakin skywalker struggling for air within a whole new unnecessary universe of craptacularness. and if nothing else, c'mon, the second trilogy brought us yaddle. who doesn't love yoda in drag? | |
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Lammastide said: The latter three Star Wars films were utter trash, though.
Except for the second half of Revenge of the Sith, I agree with your statement. But as I said earlier, Lucas started losing it in Jedi. | |
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liberation said: Does anyone feel that the movies are outdated and don't hold water any longer?
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Nikster said: liberation said: Does anyone feel that the movies are outdated and don't hold water any longer?
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