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meow85 said: CarrieMpls said: And it has little to do with what men think of the clothes. It's how we look in the clothes and how they make us feel. I've heard this argument for ages. And honestly, I used to be a pretty loud voice in arguing it too. But I've thought about this a lot, and now I really think the whole thing is baseless bullshit. Women pick out our clothes because of how they make us feel, and not what it does to men? Right -so when we're in the dressing room squeezing our butts into skintight jeans that accentuate our curves and play down our lumps n bumps, but are goddamned uncomfortable to wear -as all tighter fitting jeans are -it's because it makes us feel great about ourselves. When we totter around town on 5 inch heels that force our posture to change, thrusting out our asses and tits, it's because it makes us feel great. When we jam our boobies into unnatural positions courtesy of push-up bras, it's because it makes us feel great. When we smear our mouths with gobs of sticky lipstick and gooey lip gloss that tastes awful and fucks up our food, in an effort to mimic sexually aroused labia, it's because it makes us feel great. When we leave our coats open in cold weather to display our tits or off completely for the same reason, it's because it makes us feel great. Don't get me wrong, I love dressing up. I'd wear dresses and heels every day if I could. But I have no problem admitting it's to make people look. If women were to be honest and really choose clothes based on how it makes us feel, we'd have our comfy sweaters and pj pants on 24/7. By "feel" I don't mean comfy. 
Of course we want to look good, but it's only tangentially about men. Most of what I wear, few men would find attractive anyway. And I feel self-conscious if I'm showing too much cleavage at an inappropriate time. I guess I'm talking about fashion and style as a form of expression. Perhaps some women dress for men all of the time, and some of us only part of the time, and some of us only tangentially. But it's not ALL about them. In fact, I think it's for other women more often than for men. |
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CarrieMpls said: meow85 said: I've heard this argument for ages. And honestly, I used to be a pretty loud voice in arguing it too. But I've thought about this a lot, and now I really think the whole thing is baseless bullshit. Women pick out our clothes because of how they make us feel, and not what it does to men? Right -so when we're in the dressing room squeezing our butts into skintight jeans that accentuate our curves and play down our lumps n bumps, but are goddamned uncomfortable to wear -as all tighter fitting jeans are -it's because it makes us feel great about ourselves. When we totter around town on 5 inch heels that force our posture to change, thrusting out our asses and tits, it's because it makes us feel great. When we jam our boobies into unnatural positions courtesy of push-up bras, it's because it makes us feel great. When we smear our mouths with gobs of sticky lipstick and gooey lip gloss that tastes awful and fucks up our food, in an effort to mimic sexually aroused labia, it's because it makes us feel great. When we leave our coats open in cold weather to display our tits or off completely for the same reason, it's because it makes us feel great. Don't get me wrong, I love dressing up. I'd wear dresses and heels every day if I could. But I have no problem admitting it's to make people look. If women were to be honest and really choose clothes based on how it makes us feel, we'd have our comfy sweaters and pj pants on 24/7. By "feel" I don't mean comfy.
Of course we want to look good, but it's only tangentially about men. Most of what I wear, few men would find attractive anyway. And I feel self-conscious if I'm showing too much cleavage at an inappropriate time. I guess I'm talking about fashion and style as a form of expression. Perhaps some women dress for men all of the time, and some of us only part of the time, and some of us only tangentially. But it's not ALL about them. In fact, I think it's for other women more often than for men.Then why so much fuss over the fit of jeans? Do hetero women really care if their girl friend's butt is curvy enough, or if the cut accentuates their calves? I don't buy it. It's true that no one is more critical of women than other women. But if that's really who we're trying to appease with our clothing, why are we dressing in a way so obviously for the benefit of straight men? Why do the majority of women wear clothing so tight we can hardly move, if it's for showing other women? Why, even in the coldest climates, are women so often underdressed, if we're dressing for other women? Why the fuck do we have high heels on in the snow, if it's for other women? [Edited 12/3/07 16:09pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: CarrieMpls said: By "feel" I don't mean comfy.
Of course we want to look good, but it's only tangentially about men. Most of what I wear, few men would find attractive anyway. And I feel self-conscious if I'm showing too much cleavage at an inappropriate time. I guess I'm talking about fashion and style as a form of expression. Perhaps some women dress for men all of the time, and some of us only part of the time, and some of us only tangentially. But it's not ALL about them. In fact, I think it's for other women more often than for men.Then why so much fuss over the fit of jeans? Do hetero women really care if their girl friend's butt is curvy enough, or if the cut accentuates their calves? I don't buy it. It's true that no one is more critical of women than other women. But if that's really who we're trying to appease with our clothing, why are we dressing in a way so obviously for the benefit of straight men? Why do the majority of women wear clothing so tight we can hardly move, if it's for showing other women? Why, even in the coldest climates, are women so often underdressed, if we're dressing for other women? Why the fuck do we have high heels on in the snow, if it's for other women? [Edited 12/3/07 16:09pm] I wouldn't say that the majority of women dress that way. Maybe if you go to the club, but the majority of women who I see everyday don't dress in overly tight clothing that they can hardly move in. Those women are usually in the minority and get ridiculed for dressing in such a trashy fashion. | |
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JasmineFire said: meow85 said: Then why so much fuss over the fit of jeans? Do hetero women really care if their girl friend's butt is curvy enough, or if the cut accentuates their calves? I don't buy it. It's true that no one is more critical of women than other women. But if that's really who we're trying to appease with our clothing, why are we dressing in a way so obviously for the benefit of straight men? Why do the majority of women wear clothing so tight we can hardly move, if it's for showing other women? Why, even in the coldest climates, are women so often underdressed, if we're dressing for other women? Why the fuck do we have high heels on in the snow, if it's for other women? [Edited 12/3/07 16:09pm] I wouldn't say that the majority of women dress that way. Maybe if you go to the club, but the majority of women who I see everyday don't dress in overly tight clothing that they can hardly move in. Those women are usually in the minority and get ridiculed for dressing in such a trashy fashion. I have to agree. The majority of women I see don't dress that way either, either at work or around town. Maybe it's regional. |
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JasmineFire said: meow85 said: Then why so much fuss over the fit of jeans? Do hetero women really care if their girl friend's butt is curvy enough, or if the cut accentuates their calves? I don't buy it. It's true that no one is more critical of women than other women. But if that's really who we're trying to appease with our clothing, why are we dressing in a way so obviously for the benefit of straight men? Why do the majority of women wear clothing so tight we can hardly move, if it's for showing other women? Why, even in the coldest climates, are women so often underdressed, if we're dressing for other women? Why the fuck do we have high heels on in the snow, if it's for other women? [Edited 12/3/07 16:09pm] I wouldn't say that the majority of women dress that way. Maybe if you go to the club, but the majority of women who I see everyday don't dress in overly tight clothing that they can hardly move in. Those women are usually in the minority and get ridiculed for dressing in such a trashy fashion. You sure about that? The majority of women I've seen anywhere I've been dress like that. Jeans tight enough they can't get their hands in their pockets, silly shoes, and push up bras for trips to the grocery store. Yes those high heels may be in boot form in the winter months, but they're still impractical. If women are dressing for other women, why the fuck aren't all our winter shoes flat-flooted and comfortable? Why do even female politicians -the last people who should be pushing their sexy side -still wear high-heeled boots and attractive but impractical coats and gloves in the winter? So, why so much fuss over the fit of jeans? Damn few women are buying jeans for comfort, and that's a fact. If the opposite were true, and jeans were being bought for comfort and practicality, there'd be ads in magazines using pocket space and wiggle room as selling features, and women would be at the store checking how well they bend and stretch in a pair of jeans, and not how cute it makes their butt look. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: JasmineFire said: I wouldn't say that the majority of women dress that way. Maybe if you go to the club, but the majority of women who I see everyday don't dress in overly tight clothing that they can hardly move in. Those women are usually in the minority and get ridiculed for dressing in such a trashy fashion. You sure about that? The majority of women I've seen anywhere I've been dress like that. Jeans tight enough they can't get their hands in their pockets, silly shoes, and push up bras for trips to the grocery store. Yes those high heels may be in boot form in the winter months, but they're still impractical. If women are dressing for other women, why the fuck aren't all our winter shoes flat-flooted and comfortable? Why do even female politicians -the last people who should be pushing their sexy side -still wear high-heeled boots and attractive but impractical coats and gloves in the winter? So, why so much fuss over the fit of jeans? Damn few women are buying jeans for comfort, and that's a fact. If the opposite were true, and jeans were being bought for comfort and practicality, there'd be ads in magazines using pocket space and wiggle room as selling features, and women would be at the store checking how well they bend and stretch in a pair of jeans, and not how cute it makes their butt look. Yes, I am sure about that. | |
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JasmineFire said: meow85 said: You sure about that? The majority of women I've seen anywhere I've been dress like that. Jeans tight enough they can't get their hands in their pockets, silly shoes, and push up bras for trips to the grocery store. Yes those high heels may be in boot form in the winter months, but they're still impractical. If women are dressing for other women, why the fuck aren't all our winter shoes flat-flooted and comfortable? Why do even female politicians -the last people who should be pushing their sexy side -still wear high-heeled boots and attractive but impractical coats and gloves in the winter? So, why so much fuss over the fit of jeans? Damn few women are buying jeans for comfort, and that's a fact. If the opposite were true, and jeans were being bought for comfort and practicality, there'd be ads in magazines using pocket space and wiggle room as selling features, and women would be at the store checking how well they bend and stretch in a pair of jeans, and not how cute it makes their butt look. Yes, I am sure about that.  I don't buy it."A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: JasmineFire said: Yes, I am sure about that. I don't buy it.forget it. i'm being baited and it's stupid of me to bite.  [Edited 12/6/07 5:06am] | |
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This thread isn't quite applicable to us in the UK as jeans here are far more expensive than in the States. Levis for less than £50 ($100)? If you're lucky.
My cheap Wranglers were about $90 and my nice ones (I wore to the Prince shows) cost me £140 ($280). They are David Bitton who makes very tasty denim. And for those that don't agree with that cost, well, let me tell you the denim used is FAR superior. Beautifully cut, correctly stitched, nice detailing. My cheap jeans get replaced far more quickly so it's probably an equal economy all told. | |
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my favorite black jeans cost $13 at Family Dollar! | |
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