sag10 said:

World peace. :-p

Anyhow...Buddhism is still interesting. I had been studying it in-depth however, as an alternative to Christianity, and then decided I couldn't ever be Buddhist either, and realized one doesn't need a religion.

Anyways, I do like to read on it, of course. I've got some books by the Dalai Lama I bet you would like. My father bought me a book Buddhism book for Christmas last year, all informative, but my favorite part is the pictures..the artwork in it.

Anyways, I've been studying Muslim texts lately - not so I can be a Muslim, of course. They're just interesting!

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

You and Jeremy are a good start...

jnoel said:

Yeah, if it really was possible through masturbation, the world would be peaceful right now, just through my own efforts. heh.

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

I have read most of the Dalai Lama books, and have even sent them to friends, right ScarLett.

Keep searching my friend whatever you are looking for is close at hand! And I don't mean masturbation

Yes, I believe it is possible. Difficult is to bring people there to want it.
Who is ready to renunce? Everybody has to renunce maybe to somes important habitudes, even very personal things, in the name of Peace and Love, to give up some (hu)man made dogmas and find back to the value of life as Creation and to do respect every living thing first!

If politics tells, we can't stop hunger and poverty for the nexts decades, I don't believe at else.
The budget is been made with wrong priorities...,?
May be... Priorities have to be right pointed. And know... who will renunce to what, in the name of Peace?

About religion, I just can say for a part it is just the same as politics. Priorities are on my mean often wrong posed! ...

And who will renunce in favor of?

ScarLett said:

So you do not believe that World Peace is attainable because of the differences? (Oh btw Hi! I'm ready to begin. lol) Or is it more the way we deal with the differences? In my opinion, just because we discover World Peace does not mean the differences would end, we will still have a differenct perspective, a difference of thought, and different religions, it would be more in the way we decide to resolve those differences, or the way in which we view the differences. As it stands now, people tend to view differences with the attitude that if you think, feel, believe different from me then you are just plain wrong. (Again in my opinion and my belief, there is no right or wrong. Right and wrong are just judgement calls we make upon a situation that is just that, a situation.)

ScarLett said:

I guess then that you are of the belief that the human nature of man is generally evil, that man does not have the power to rise above and be of one conscience? I believe that we already live as One, indeed in my belief we are One. However, we tend to view ourselves as being seperate and that's okay, because seeing ourselves as seperate allows us to experience our experiences in quite a unique way. It allows us to grow in our understanding. However to get back to human nature, if it were man's human nature to survive, to be evil, then when a situation arises that calls on us to act upon our instincts then our instincts would push us towards survival and nothing else. So when faced with a child in the street and a car bearing down on them, people would decide to do nothing because that would put their own lives on the line (it would go against their survival instinct and it is very difficult to go against instinct) and yet many people when faced with that situation will rush into the street to save that child. They react without thinking. They put their own lives on the line to save another. THAT in my opinion is our true human nature. There is no thought, no fear except for the fear of something happening to the child, there is no instinct to survive, only an instinct to save that child. Therein lies our true nature.

It is only when we stop to think that we allow fear to take hold. Instincts are things we do without thinking. So the true human nature goes much deeper than most people believe. Human nature isn't survival, it isn't evil, it IS love. Again this is just my belief. It human nature were evil, if it was to survive, then no one would run into traffic to save a child from being ran over.

ScarLett said:

Then perhaps it is time to do away with those thought processes and create new ones. Apparently these three things have not worked for us and it is time to recreate something that will work. Equal opportunity, a sharing of the resources and of the necessities in life, and a newer understanding of sex in general. We have taken such a beautiful experience as sex and allowed our hang ups and our fears to guide us. Sex is a natural and beautiful instinct. Many say that it is just an instinct to procreate, but if that were the case then no one would ever have sex after procreating, but yet even the elderly are having sex (those past the child bearing age). Sex is a normal expression of love and communion between two people. There is no reason to hide it. There is no reason to be ashamed of it. It is a beautiful flowing and joining of two souls in my opinion. And yet it is okay to show on tv two people beating each other up, to show two people killing each other, to show people torturing another, and it is not okay to show such a beautiful aspect of loving another. I think that is one thing I will never fully understand.

As for money, it creates greed because without it one cannot buy the necessities of life, one cannot buy the pleasures of life. My question is this: Should the necessities of life have to be bought? I mean we say we value life, we say that all men are created equal, we say that all men are free to pursue happiness, and yet if a man has to send his child to bed without dinner, where is the freedom in hearing the cries of a hungry child? Money is not needed. But greed (greed for more, greed for power) has made it a necessity. Men need to instead listen more to their true nature in my opinion.

As for power, none is more powerful than the man who died for another. None is more powerful than the child who hugs a stranger. None is more powerful than the woman giving birth. We have this ideation of what power is, but true power goes beyond what our small minds can comprehend at times. However, as long as we allow another to think that they have great power, they will only desire more. We make heros of baseball players and teachers barely make enough to scrape by. We make heros of rock stars, and our parents have to struggle to make enough to raise us. A new way of thinking is in order imo.

ScarLett said:

Perhaps the illusions that cloud ones head are the ideas that this is the only way it can ever be. I mean to think that we cannot evolve into higher states of understanding, to think that we cannot learn to love our neighbors (even those across the globe), and to think that we are not capable of feeding all people, clothing all people, sheltering all people to me is a very limited view. The truth is we can do these things, but it takes work and it takes effort and no one is willing to do these things because they believe that it doesn't effect them, when in truth, it is themselves that it is effecting even deeper than the child going hungry.

These are just my views ScarLett and there is nothing at wrong with either of our views. My is no more right than yours, nor more wrong either and vice versa. We are all on this planet together. We all breathe the same air, we gaze upon the same sky, we bask in the same sun. Living a part is not working apparently, and it's time we give something different a try. I don't believe that it is a fantasy to believe that this can be done. Jesus believed. MLK believed. Mother Theresa believed. Mahatma Ghandi believed. And I believe too.

UsexyMF said:

Perhaps what we are doing is looking at things all wrong. In my opinion, world peace isn't about doing away with total conflict. There is going to be conflict because there are those that are not happy without conflict. There is nothing right or wrong in this. I believe that the way in which we deal with conflict resolution is the key. Since conflict still exists then we are not going against the duality of positive and negative. As for it never being perfect, in my belief nothing but perfection exists. We each choose our experiences, We choose our opportunities. There is perfefction in that. Individually peace must come from within, and when one can find their own peace it reflects outward.

UsexyMF said:

Again in my opinion, good and evil are judgement calls. If one chooses to experience sadness then that will be their experience. If one chooses happiness, then that is their experience. Neither is right or wrong, they are just an experience, an experience to be embraced fully. People tend to fight their experiences though. "Why am I so sad? I don't want to be sad." What is wrong with feeling sad? Embrace the experience, feel it, then when it no longer serves you, let it go. You will move on from that experience, especially when it no longer serves you. Have you ever been sad and then made a different choice about your life and experienced happiness? It is a choice. The world has no way, it just is, it is in the hearts and minds of men, women, and children that has a way. So it is the way of men, women, and children to experience sadness, happiness, tears and laughter.

UsexyMF said:

The world is already One. The people on the world are already One. It's not about becoming One, because we already are. We just choose to not see that at this time. We choose to experience individual realities. And again, why do people think that once World Peace is obtained that differences will cease to exist? As for man having a reason to fight, to go to war, perhaps man needs a new way of thinking.

jnoel said:

Oh you touched upon a word that scares most democratic nations, and that is socialism. Most democratic nations view socialism as an evil force to be eradicated. It is not the idea of socialism that is evil but that way in which it was enforced. Socialism could work, but not if it has to be forced and enforced. And I agree, great leaders might appear, and have appeared throughout the history of our world. Your english is wonderful btw.

Arcamar said:

Arcamar. There is that word, priorities. You're right, perhaps we need to reprioritize what we consider important.

Perhaps we need to define what World Peace is. It seems that many people view world peace as being without any differences, everyone of one mind, one belief, one idea. I don't view World Peace in that way. As long as man exists on this plane, there will be differences. The idea isn't to rid the world of differences but rather to embrace the differences. The idea isn't to rid the world of conflict because there will always be those that will gravitate toward conflict, but to change our views on conflict and how to resolve the issues that arise. In my opinion, I see world peace as being a world in which people react with love towards another, or towards other races, religions, cultures, etc. I see world peace as not turning a blind eye and a closed mind to those who choose to experience less. I see world peace as equal opportunities for one and all, equal opportunities with regards to education, medical care, etc. I see world peace as an assurance that no one goes without the necessities in life as food, clothing, shelter. And who came up with the concept that the necessities were privileges of those that can afford them??? I see world peace as the world coming together to share in the responsibilities of the world, (like helping to end the depletion of the rain forests, to find ways to end the ozone depletion, to share the resources of the world, to feed the world's hungry and to help undeveloped nations to evolve).

We too often point the finger and say that it is their responsibility and not our own. Yet we live on this earth together, what effects the world effects us individually whether we can see that or not. We tend to only want to see our own little corner of the world, but we need to open our eyes wider and view the whole world, because it is our world.

Perhaps I am an idealist but these are things that I know are possible. I know in my heart that these things are possible.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 3 7:24:11 PDT 2002 by InfinitiesHeaven]

Peace could also simple and only a state of mind be, to reach it, we have to do free us from old samples to come back to our ground roots. Back to the essence of life. Everyone for themselves, there're things we only can do alone in meditation and concentration. That's work.
And then it is like everone for everybody. Our energy has more power we want to believe in, and evenso our will.
*Let love rule!

O! Infinities I love Idealists...don't i Mom!!

i would love to see the world the way u think it should be i would indeed walk a thousand miles to get to that oasis of peace...

but i have been here in this world maybe too long, jaded and tainted ...walked to many paths and traveled to many roads - i have lived a life that when its finished..I intend to say "thy will be done" ... as mahaila jackson sings to me "trouble in the world"...i will pass this way no more.

life affects is all in varying ways some it hardens, some it breaks, some can walk away unmarred - unscathed.. depending on the person in those shoes...

i am not defending my point of view i can only say this..
i have met terror, and been broken by people actions and their whims in this life, i know defeat - its a personal friend, i know what its like to be vanquished by ones enemy and how damn good it feels to win.. i am intimate with jealousy and rage yet i am quite comfortable with love and the resonance of the sages. passion so intense its like liquid fire in ones veins...human?

these range of emotions are what it means to truly be human and there has never been one moment in the history of man where there has been peace, not even when Jesus was here.( ok let me back this up even further man is an animal/mammal whatever, in the tymes of the dinasaurs - they were showing off, intimidating and scavaging to survive - a humans natural instinct leans toward : survival and procreation - these are basic instincts in most animals and IF u cannot/ do not adhere to these Laws of the Universe well its called Survival of the Fittests)

i am not saying that without constant application of forgiveness, tolerance and acceptance that it would never happen, but what i am saying is that until we all stand on the same level and are as one in all things (material, physical, mental) then this level of peace will never happen. we in this lifetyme will never see the world at peace.

the problem is THIS...once we have attained that level the cycle will start over...the striving of something more (its divined in human nature) - physical, mental, material, emotional, spiritual, in all things we seek...and the power, greed and SEX...takes hold again


but onward, to this topic of sex...whooo gurl u know i like it..

sex is a beautiful thang its great between two people (monogamy) its great when u are truly in lust, its the completetion of all things physical, emotional, spiritual and hell meta physical...

there is nothing dirty - scandalous or dehumanizing about it, SEX is an art my personal feeling is that with any art the participant should cull their craft accordingly... use as many canvases and colors, techniques and whatever else they have at the disposal...

ok ok enough i do have to work
[This message was edited Thu Oct 3 8:08:08 PDT 2002 by ScarLett]
Sag U know i love U, and we get along very well, you are an idealist - i am a realist ... but all is fair in friendship, admiration and love...

your hedonistic babe in arms...
[This message was edited Thu Oct 3 8:51:50 PDT 2002 by ScarLett]

Are you saying that I am an Idealist?

Well then you are right, because I will always try to find an opportunity in any obstacle put in front of me.

InfinitiesHeaven said:
Perhaps what we are doing is looking at things all wrong. In my opinion, world peace isn't about doing away with total conflict. There is going to be conflict because there are those that are not happy without conflict. There is nothing right or wrong in this. I believe that the way in which we deal with conflict resolution is the key. Since conflict still exists then we are not going against the duality of positive and negative. As for it never being perfect, in my belief nothing but perfection exists. We each choose our experiences, We choose our opportunities. There is perfefction in that. Individually peace must come from within, and when one can find their own peace it reflects outward.



Again in my opinion, good and evil are judgement calls. If one chooses to experience sadness then that will be their experience. If one chooses happiness, then that is their experience. Neither is right or wrong, they are just an experience, an experience to be embraced fully. People tend to fight their experiences though. "Why am I so sad? I don't want to be sad." What is wrong with feeling sad? Embrace the experience, feel it, then when it no longer serves you, let it go. You will move on from that experience, especially when it no longer serves you. Have you ever been sad and then made a different choice about your life and experienced happiness? It is a choice. The world has no way, it just is, it is in the hearts and minds of men, women, and children that has a way. So it is the way of men, women, and children to experience sadness, happiness, tears and laughter.



The world is already One. The people on the world are already One. It's not about becoming One, because we already are. We just choose to not see that at this time. We choose to experience individual realities. And again, why do people think that once World Peace is obtained that differences will cease to exist? As for man having a reason to fight, to go to war, perhaps man needs a new way of thinking.

**Interesting in deed but U took what I said else
where. Its ok, cause I know U meant well. But I think U got the way wrong vibe from what I expressed. ~Peace~

Not in this lifetime.When people can accept differences and not want to rule one another we got a shot.But i don't see that anytime soon if ever.

This is a peaceful thread... I like it to listen to you.

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

IT'S SO TRUE. It leaves me happy for the whole day.