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PrintableSowhat said: uPtoWnNY said: No....the Lords of Baseball take gambling more seriously than steroids. They DO NOT PLAY AROUND on this. If they get a whiff of a player or manager dealing with/hanging out with gamblers, they will haul their ass in so fast. They frown on anything that hurts the "integrity of the game". You are right, Bonds won't get a lifetime ban nor should he. Even if it was proven he took steroids, technically they were not banned by major league baseball until 2003. But even if they were banned earlier, I don't believe it would warrant a lifetime ban. however, gambling on their own sport is a big no-no for any professional athelete, manager, coach, referee, umpire, etc..... The only thing with that is that the Chicago "Blacksox" scandal of 1918 when some of them threw the games, their technically was no rule about wagering/throwing/betting on a game, plus they were found not guilty though most of them but one were guilty. The rule was put into effect after they got off, so though i dont think that baseball will ever put a lifetime ban in for steroids or drugs because of the Players unions and things like that, the thing is Pete Rose would have better off doing drugs, or as he said "if i did steroids i'd have 5,000 damn hits" "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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I can't wait till he's outed for real and that record is revoked. Fraud. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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lastdecember said: L4OATheOriginal said: yeah i saw kingman play in person..king kong!!! i'm still miffed that pete rose isn't in the hall of fame Oh yeah i saw him many times as a kid, he was my favorite Met during those Long hard years when the Mets were pretty much in last or next to last every year. It was great going to those games because you could buy tickets in the loge or mezz section and then move down to the field because there were always empty seats. I will always remember Kingman for one time during a Met-Yankee (Mayors Trophy Game) Kingman hit a ball thrown by Catfish Hunter about 560-600 feet, people just dropped, they couldnt believe a human could hit that far. I remember my Dad taking me to an A's game when Kingman played for them way back in the 70's and he charged the mound...IT WAS GREAT! We had seats a couple of rows back from the A's dugout and I remember it very clearly. Kingman had hit a towering home run his previous at bat so the pitcher (can't remember who the A's were playing) threw at Kingman the next time he came up and Kingman immediately charged the mound. The classic bench clearing "brawl" insued (the kind where everyone runs out there, pushes, piles on top of each other but no real punches are thrown and no one gets hurt). "Always blessings, never losses......"
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Regardless of whether you think the home run record in baseball is tainted because Barry Bonds now holds hit, remember that Bud Selig basically allowed the "steroid" era to happen in baseball. While the Olympics were giving year-long suspensions in the mid-1990s for steroid and other doping violations and lifetime bans for repeat offenders, and the NFL and NBA were instituting strict random drug testing for all of their players, the baseball honchos basically looked the other way as far as steroids were concerned. After the owners nearly destroyed the sport after cancelling the remainder of the 1994 season and the World Series during the players' strike, fans were abandoning the game in droves, and the fans who were still there were pissed off at both the owners and the players. Cal Ripken and Ken Griffey Jr. held out interest for some fans, but baseball was heading into a severe decline going into the late 1990s. Then here came Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa with their record-breaking home run chase, and soon people became excited about baseball again.  All of the media got engrossed with this chase, and every road game which had either McGwire or Sosa playing in it began selling out. The home run chase finally ended the ill will of the 1994 baseball strike, and money began rolling in to nearly all of the baseball clubs. Even during the home run chase in 1998, McGwire had admitted to taking supplements which were precursors to steroids (meaning that they were not anabolic in nature by themselves, but once ingested into the body create the same anabolic muscle building effects as steroids). Some baseball critics back then thought that this home run chase may be tainted, but the media and the baseball executives didn't want to hear about it. Nike even did a commercial with Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux with the tagline, "Chicks dig the longball."
What was forgotten about the 1998 season is that two other players hit over 50 home runs (Ken Griffey Jr.: 56, and Greg Vaughn : 52). Up to that point in baseball history, it was extremely rare for any one player to hit 50 or more home runs in a season, and the most players that ever hit 50 or more home runs during the same season was two. At first, it was believed to be an anomaly due to the fact that you had three talented super sluggers (McGwire, Sosa, Griffey) plus two expansion teams and smaller new ballparks. But then Barry Bonds jumped into the home run fray in the following seasons, and in 2001, Luis Gonzalez, who never hit any more than 35 home runs in a season (and during most seasons in his career hit less than 20), hit 59 home runs for the Arizona Diamondbacks on their way to the World Series title. Bonds hit his record-breaking 73 home runs during that year, and Sammy Sosa became the first player to hit 60 or more home runs in three seasons. It wasn't until 2001 that baseball instituted its first steroid policy, but it was basically weak and toothless until 2003, when McGwire retired, Sammy Sosa got caught with a corked bat, and Jason Giambi of the New York Yankees suddenly lost a distressing amount of weight and muscle mass before all but admitting to taking steroids. Then came the Jose Canseco book, the subsequent hearings in Washington, and the book "Game of Shadows", which went into excruciating detail about the BALCO steroid scandal and brought forth evidence that all but incriminated Barry Bonds and his steroid use. My take on Barry Bonds breaking the home run record is that while he may or may not have been juiced up during the past 9 years or so, we shouldn't be so quick to condemn him, because if he was taking steroids during this time, he was implicitly allowed to do this by the baseball executives, the media, and the fans.  | |
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Rhondab said: Hanks Record...no cloud
Exactly. Fuck Bonds.Bonds...will always be clouded.... new generation...no integrity....just be successful. yay bonds!!  | |
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728huey said: Regardless of whether you think the home run record in baseball is tainted because Barry Bonds now holds hit, remember that Bud Selig basically allowed the "steroid" era to happen in baseball. While the Olympics were giving year-long suspensions in the mid-1990s for steroid and other doping violations and lifetime bans for repeat offenders, and the NFL and NBA were instituting strict random drug testing for all of their players, the baseball honchos basically looked the other way as far as steroids were concerned. After the owners nearly destroyed the sport after cancelling the remainder of the 1994 season and the World Series during the players' strike, fans were abandoning the game in droves, and the fans who were still there were pissed off at both the owners and the players. Cal Ripken and Ken Griffey Jr. held out interest for some fans, but baseball was heading into a severe decline going into the late 1990s. Then here came Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa with their record-breaking home run chase, and soon people became excited about baseball again. I've missed your posts. All of the media got engrossed with this chase, and every road game which had either McGwire or Sosa playing in it began selling out. The home run chase finally ended the ill will of the 1994 baseball strike, and money began rolling in to nearly all of the baseball clubs. Even during the home run chase in 1998, McGwire had admitted to taking supplements which were precursors to steroids (meaning that they were not anabolic in nature by themselves, but once ingested into the body create the same anabolic muscle building effects as steroids). Some baseball critics back then thought that this home run chase may be tainted, but the media and the baseball executives didn't want to hear about it. Nike even did a commercial with Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux with the tagline, "Chicks dig the longball."
What was forgotten about the 1998 season is that two other players hit over 50 home runs (Ken Griffey Jr.: 56, and Greg Vaughn : 52). Up to that point in baseball history, it was extremely rare for any one player to hit 50 or more home runs in a season, and the most players that ever hit 50 or more home runs during the same season was two. At first, it was believed to be an anomaly due to the fact that you had three talented super sluggers (McGwire, Sosa, Griffey) plus two expansion teams and smaller new ballparks. But then Barry Bonds jumped into the home run fray in the following seasons, and in 2001, Luis Gonzalez, who never hit any more than 35 home runs in a season (and during most seasons in his career hit less than 20), hit 59 home runs for the Arizona Diamondbacks on their way to the World Series title. Bonds hit his record-breaking 73 home runs during that year, and Sammy Sosa became the first player to hit 60 or more home runs in three seasons. It wasn't until 2001 that baseball instituted its first steroid policy, but it was basically weak and toothless until 2003, when McGwire retired, Sammy Sosa got caught with a corked bat, and Jason Giambi of the New York Yankees suddenly lost a distressing amount of weight and muscle mass before all but admitting to taking steroids. Then came the Jose Canseco book, the subsequent hearings in Washington, and the book "Game of Shadows", which went into excruciating detail about the BALCO steroid scandal and brought forth evidence that all but incriminated Barry Bonds and his steroid use. My take on Barry Bonds breaking the home run record is that while he may or may not have been juiced up during the past 9 years or so, we shouldn't be so quick to condemn him, because if he was taking steroids during this time, he was implicitly allowed to do this by the baseball executives, the media, and the fans.  | |
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lastdecember said: L4OATheOriginal said: yeah i saw kingman play in person..king kong!!! i'm still miffed that pete rose isn't in the hall of fame Oh yeah i saw him many times as a kid, he was my favorite Met during those Long hard years when the Mets were pretty much in last or next to last every year. It was great going to those games because you could buy tickets in the loge or mezz section and then move down to the field because there were always empty seats. I will always remember Kingman for one time during a Met-Yankee (Mayors Trophy Game) Kingman hit a ball thrown by Catfish Hunter about 560-600 feet, people just dropped, they couldnt believe a human could hit that far. damn remember banner day doubleheaders? lol ..i once went 2 a met game and john millner aka the hammer ..hit a ball OVER the scoreboard
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the asterik was the same when roger maris hit 61, but no one mentions how hall of famers gaylord perry was caught with using vaseline, phil neikro and joe were caught using a nail file while on the mound. and that says what? man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Sowhat said: lastdecember said: Oh yeah i saw him many times as a kid, he was my favorite Met during those Long hard years when the Mets were pretty much in last or next to last every year. It was great going to those games because you could buy tickets in the loge or mezz section and then move down to the field because there were always empty seats. I will always remember Kingman for one time during a Met-Yankee (Mayors Trophy Game) Kingman hit a ball thrown by Catfish Hunter about 560-600 feet, people just dropped, they couldnt believe a human could hit that far. I remember my Dad taking me to an A's game when Kingman played for them way back in the 70's and he charged the mound...IT WAS GREAT! We had seats a couple of rows back from the A's dugout and I remember it very clearly. Kingman had hit a towering home run his previous at bat so the pitcher (can't remember who the A's were playing) threw at Kingman the next time he came up and Kingman immediately charged the mound. The classic bench clearing "brawl" insued (the kind where everyone runs out there, pushes, piles on top of each other but no real punches are thrown and no one gets hurt). ask robin ventura when he charged nolan ryan if no real punches were thrown  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: lastdecember said: Oh yeah i saw him many times as a kid, he was my favorite Met during those Long hard years when the Mets were pretty much in last or next to last every year. It was great going to those games because you could buy tickets in the loge or mezz section and then move down to the field because there were always empty seats. I will always remember Kingman for one time during a Met-Yankee (Mayors Trophy Game) Kingman hit a ball thrown by Catfish Hunter about 560-600 feet, people just dropped, they couldnt believe a human could hit that far. damn remember banner day doubleheaders? lol ..i once went 2 a met game and john millner aka the hammer ..hit a ball OVER the scoreboard
but back 2 the thread
the asterik was the same when roger maris hit 61, but no one mentions how hall of famers gaylord perry was caught with using vaseline, phil neikro and joe were caught using a nail file while on the mound. and that says what? Well its gonna hang over Barrys head but i really dont think he cares and many people dont really care about the record.The fact is you cant compare players from different eras at all really. Just look at Tom Glavine winning his 300 game the other day, because of the changes in baseball with 5 man rotations and tons of relief pitchers, he is probably gonna be the last to pass 300 for a really long time, maybe ever. As for comparing players in different eras, you just cant, so many different things, better equipment , better training, guys play and recover from injuries so easy now, when back in the day they would be gone, smaller ballparks, horrible pitching because guys get rushed to the big leagues. Back in the late 70's guys used to lead the league in ERA with 2.50 and lower, now pitchers lead it with 4.00. And last year you had no 20 game winner in pitching for the first time ever, pitchers used to win 25-30 games at one point. As for the Met double headers, i was telling a younger Met fan the other day that DOUBLE HEADERS used to be scheduled, you would play about 10 a year. Now double headers are only played due to rain outs, and are DAY NIGHT double headers with a 4 hour break in the middle as to get fans to pay twice. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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That's there's even any doubt about the whole issue clouds it all enough for this non-fan to figure it's not worth looking into the sport. Sounds like it's all a bit of a sham, unfortunately. | |
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728huey said: Regardless of whether you think the home run record in baseball is tainted because Barry Bonds now holds hit, remember that Bud Selig basically allowed the "steroid" era to happen in baseball. While the Olympics were giving year-long suspensions in the mid-1990s for steroid and other doping violations and lifetime bans for repeat offenders, and the NFL and NBA were instituting strict random drug testing for all of their players, the baseball honchos basically looked the other way as far as steroids were concerned. After the owners nearly destroyed the sport after cancelling the remainder of the 1994 season and the World Series during the players' strike, fans were abandoning the game in droves, and the fans who were still there were pissed off at both the owners and the players. Cal Ripken and Ken Griffey Jr. held out interest for some fans, but baseball was heading into a severe decline going into the late 1990s. Then here came Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa with their record-breaking home run chase, and soon people became excited about baseball again.
All of the media got engrossed with this chase, and every road game which had either McGwire or Sosa playing in it began selling out. The home run chase finally ended the ill will of the 1994 baseball strike, and money began rolling in to nearly all of the baseball clubs. Even during the home run chase in 1998, McGwire had admitted to taking supplements which were precursors to steroids (meaning that they were not anabolic in nature by themselves, but once ingested into the body create the same anabolic muscle building effects as steroids). Some baseball critics back then thought that this home run chase may be tainted, but the media and the baseball executives didn't want to hear about it. Nike even did a commercial with Tom Glavine and Greg Maddux with the tagline, "Chicks dig the longball."
What was forgotten about the 1998 season is that two other players hit over 50 home runs (Ken Griffey Jr.: 56, and Greg Vaughn : 52). Up to that point in baseball history, it was extremely rare for any one player to hit 50 or more home runs in a season, and the most players that ever hit 50 or more home runs during the same season was two. At first, it was believed to be an anomaly due to the fact that you had three talented super sluggers (McGwire, Sosa, Griffey) plus two expansion teams and smaller new ballparks. But then Barry Bonds jumped into the home run fray in the following seasons, and in 2001, Luis Gonzalez, who never hit any more than 35 home runs in a season (and during most seasons in his career hit less than 20), hit 59 home runs for the Arizona Diamondbacks on their way to the World Series title. Bonds hit his record-breaking 73 home runs during that year, and Sammy Sosa became the first player to hit 60 or more home runs in three seasons. It wasn't until 2001 that baseball instituted its first steroid policy, but it was basically weak and toothless until 2003, when McGwire retired, Sammy Sosa got caught with a corked bat, and Jason Giambi of the New York Yankees suddenly lost a distressing amount of weight and muscle mass before all but admitting to taking steroids. Then came the Jose Canseco book, the subsequent hearings in Washington, and the book "Game of Shadows", which went into excruciating detail about the BALCO steroid scandal and brought forth evidence that all but incriminated Barry Bonds and his steroid use. My take on Barry Bonds breaking the home run record is that while he may or may not have been juiced up during the past 9 years or so, we shouldn't be so quick to condemn him, because if he was taking steroids during this time, he was implicitly allowed to do this by the baseball executives, the media, and the fans.  Truly on point!! There is plenty of blame to be spread around....the commish...the owners...the players.....and yes, especially the fans, because we're the ones who hold the keys (our money) to at least stimulate change....if fans were to stay away in droves behind the 'roids as they did after the strike killed the remainder of the 94 season and World Series, we wouldn't be having this conversation.....He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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728huey said: My take on Barry Bonds breaking the home run record is that while he may or may not have been juiced up during the past 9 years or so, we shouldn't be so quick to condemn him, because if he was taking steroids during this time, he was implicitly allowed to do this by the baseball executives, the media, and the fans. Barry was and is a grown man. I think he knows that this would be a sweeter accomplishment without HIS choice to take steriods. I don't know if this is about condemnation but just the reality of the situation. Something to be said about integrity. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: Sowhat said: I remember my Dad taking me to an A's game when Kingman played for them way back in the 70's and he charged the mound...IT WAS GREAT! We had seats a couple of rows back from the A's dugout and I remember it very clearly. Kingman had hit a towering home run his previous at bat so the pitcher (can't remember who the A's were playing) threw at Kingman the next time he came up and Kingman immediately charged the mound. The classic bench clearing "brawl" insued (the kind where everyone runs out there, pushes, piles on top of each other but no real punches are thrown and no one gets hurt). ask robin ventura when he charged nolan ryan if no real punches were thrown ...oh yeah...there are many times when punches are thrown, but the majority of the times the benches clear, there is just a bunch of posturing, pushing and piling on."Always blessings, never losses......"
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Sowhat said: L4OATheOriginal said: ask robin ventura when he charged nolan ryan if no real punches were thrown ...oh yeah...there are many times when punches are thrown, but the majority of the times the benches clear, there is just a bunch of posturing, pushing and piling on.Yeah thats true but the GREATEST fight in my opinion was back in 1986 whne Eric Davis of the Reds slid into 3rd base and got up and said something to the Mets RAY NIGHT, and then got in his face thinking Ray wouldnt do anything, RAY looked at him and punched him dead in the face, and then the place went nuts, fists everywhere. The 1986 Mets took no shit, they werent scared to mix it up with anyone, teams hated them because they played like that, attitude, hard nosed baseball regardless of the score, something PETE ROSE made famous IMO. Who can forget PETE crashing into Ray Fosse in an ALL STAR GAME and breaking his shoulder and ending his career, nowadays, players dont even run a ball out at first. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Sowhat said: L4OATheOriginal said: ask robin ventura when he charged nolan ryan if no real punches were thrown ...oh yeah...there are many times when punches are thrown, but the majority of the times the benches clear, there is just a bunch of posturing, pushing and piling on.like the other nite in toronto when they threw at A-Rod 4 the 2nd day in a row..benches cleared but nothing happend. then u have the situtation in the chicago cubs dugout lol i still have fond memories of robin charging the mound then nolan just side stepped him, grabbed him in that headlock and  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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lastdecember said: Sowhat said: ...oh yeah...there are many times when punches are thrown, but the majority of the times the benches clear, there is just a bunch of posturing, pushing and piling on.Yeah thats true but the GREATEST fight in my opinion was back in 1986 whne Eric Davis of the Reds slid into 3rd base and got up and said something to the Mets RAY NIGHT, and then got in his face thinking Ray wouldnt do anything, RAY looked at him and punched him dead in the face, and then the place went nuts, fists everywhere. The 1986 Mets took no shit, they werent scared to mix it up with anyone, teams hated them because they played like that, attitude, hard nosed baseball regardless of the score, something PETE ROSE made famous IMO. Who can forget PETE crashing into Ray Fosse in an ALL STAR GAME and breaking his shoulder and ending his career, nowadays, players dont even run a ball out at first. or the infamous bud harrelson and pete rose brawl at 2nd base lol man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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lastdecember said: Sowhat said: ...oh yeah...there are many times when punches are thrown, but the majority of the times the benches clear, there is just a bunch of posturing, pushing and piling on.Yeah thats true but the GREATEST fight in my opinion was back in 1986 whne Eric Davis of the Reds slid into 3rd base and got up and said something to the Mets RAY NIGHT, and then got in his face thinking Ray wouldnt do anything, RAY looked at him and punched him dead in the face, and then the place went nuts, fists everywhere. The 1986 Mets took no shit, they werent scared to mix it up with anyone, teams hated them because they played like that, attitude, hard nosed baseball regardless of the score, something PETE ROSE made famous IMO. Who can forget PETE crashing into Ray Fosse in an ALL STAR GAME and breaking his shoulder and ending his career, nowadays, players dont even run a ball out at first.  I like Ray Fosse (he was an Oakland Athletic) and he is a great TV announcer for them to this day!"Always blessings, never losses......"
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I can't wait till he's outed for real and that record is revoked. Fraud.
It's not like it's a drivers license."Always blessings, never losses......"
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