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PrintableMars23 said: You would have to prove to me that nature created an animal that produced bacon, sausage, ham, pork chops, tenderloins, pork rinds, and pigs feet and expected us NOT to eat it.
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uPtoWnNY said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Well?
Souls or not, they're getting in my belly. 
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They do have souls and I still eat them. Socks still got butt like a leather seat... | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Imago said: Yes, I'm cutting back alot this year. The problem is that I'm not a good person, per say Charlotte. I have a guilty conscience but that doesn't mean its strong enough for me to do good all the time. With the limiting of meats and dairy, my eczema is subsiding finally, but I need to swap all the way over. Honestly, I think I'm doing it for vanity moreso than an altruistic endeavor, but I don't know. I'm in a wierd place morally right now. 
I think that very few of us care enough to "be good people" all day, every day. For me it was just about making a decision, setting out rules for myself, and following them without thinking about it. If I had to decide whether I felt more like steak or compassion every damn day, compassion would frequently lose. 
I also transitioned my diet pretty gradually, sorta removing one thing at a time, but some people find that harder than going cold turkey (so to speak). Cutting back is good, eh?  Cutting back is good. When I read about Veal and the Milk industry it dusturbed me sufficently enoughto cut dairly out...almost 100%. I avoid milk whenever I can, I stopped eating yogurt except for a minor blip after I got back from Europe and started to really miss their yogurt, and I never ate veal anyways. And these are actual "moral" decisions that I made rather than through health concerns, etc. However, I've come to the realization, that i need to be angry, sad, etc. from time to time cause it's the only thing that prevents me from collapsing. But that's irrelevant to this topic 
For me, I believe in rebirth, so every animal I encounter may have some very important relationship with me in a future life. And honestly, I apply a very vain, human hiearchy to my meat eating. 
If it's cute, or has a strong relationship with it's mother, I find it much harder to eat than if it's scaly, swims, or looks alien to me.  But in the end, all creatures are wired for pleasure and pain, and regardless of what their mental capabilities, pain hurts them in their own unique ways. I mean, we wouldn't want to deny a mentally handicapped person dignity, would we? Even if they don't perceive or understand such concepts quite the same as us?
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ZombieKitten said: your excema and ringworms will disappear, I'm pretty sure of it
Oh garsh, I'm still logged in. | |
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yes, I sure would  | |
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CortestheKiller said: No. Not even a small chance of that. Souls or no souls, the food chain still exists, and I'd wager if I came across a hungry, carnivorous animal in the wild and he figured he had a shot, I'd be dinner.
From my perspective, that's not the point. The issue isn't "is it ok to eat animals". It's "is it ok to pay somebody to raise them in a way that is incredibly cruel". Factory farms don't exist because people want to eat meat, they exist because people buy the cheapest meat possible while taking NO responsibility for where their money goes. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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EvilAlthom said: If they had souls, would they stop eating each other?
 Good Food for thought. | |
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EvilAlthom said: If a dog had a soul, would it still try and hump my sister's leg?
 Your dog soul is horny and his priority is his hormones. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Well?
No, because the flesh and spirit are separate. 
However, I believe Einstein was no doubt right when he said conversion of humanity to vegetarianism would be the quickest way to help the planet (to paraphrase). Still like burgers too much though.
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How do you mean proven ?
I'm convinced they do ! And i've been a vegetarian for 25 years ; since i was 7 yo [Edited 7/19/07 22:32pm] | |
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mrdespues said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Well?
No, because the flesh and spirit are separate. Exactly. The flesh/body cavity is a host for the spirit( the soul). | |
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How could that ever be proven?
We can't even prove that humans have a 'soul'. It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.
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ZombieKitten said: of course they have souls
 and they are delicious!  Exactly | |
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EvilAlthom said: If they had souls, would they stop eating each other?
Sums it up for me. | |
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You mean some people think animals don't have souls??? That's right, you are Divinity | |
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This is an honest question:
Do non vegan/vegetarian Americans eat meat EVERY DAY? Some posts here lead me to think so. I eat meat, but never everyday It's so absurd! Don't you eat vegetables, fruit, cereals, legumes...? PS :at least in Spain, fish is NOT meat | |
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I don't eat meat everyday....and I mostly only eat chicken and fish....
I don't know about the question...cuz I really like some chicken soul on some nachos.... | |
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therapyisback said:
You mean some people think animals don't have souls???
You mean some people do think there is such thing as soul existing??? | |
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Its the souls that make the meat taste so good, silly!!! 
He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
(George Eliot) the video for the above... 
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PANDURITO said: This is an honest question:
Do non vegan/vegetarian Americans eat meat EVERY DAY? Some posts here lead me to think so. I eat meat, but never everyday It's so absurd! Don't you eat vegetables, fruit, cereals, legumes...? PS :at least in Spain, fish is NOT meat Most americans do, yes. |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: CortestheKiller said: No. Not even a small chance of that. Souls or no souls, the food chain still exists, and I'd wager if I came across a hungry, carnivorous animal in the wild and he figured he had a shot, I'd be dinner.
From my perspective, that's not the point. The issue isn't "is it ok to eat animals". It's "is it ok to pay somebody to raise them in a way that is incredibly cruel". Factory farms don't exist because people want to eat meat, they exist because people buy the cheapest meat possible while taking NO responsibility for where their money goes.
That's why I started cutting back. (Well, that and all my best friends are veggie. ) It's unthinkable to me, both how the animals are treated and the industry's busniess practices. |
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I'll say it again ;
MEAT IS MURDER | |
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PANDURITO said: This is an honest question:
Do non vegan/vegetarian Americans eat meat EVERY DAY? Some posts here lead me to think so. I eat meat, but never everyday It's so absurd! Don't you eat vegetables, fruit, cereals, legumes...? PS :at least in Spain, fish is NOT meat Um, er, aah... 
Yes, virtually every day. And chocolate. Not together. | |
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and fish feel pain by the way
if you are squeamish don't go looking at the live sashimi vids on youtube  | |
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Besides that they suffocate to death on land  | |
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you were not given incisor and canine teeth for nothing, Supa baby. | |
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Nope..it tastes too good | |
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BlackAdder7 said: you were not given incisor and canine teeth for nothing, Supa baby.
How about a brain with which you can decide it's sick and barbaric Living in the western world you don't need meat to survive [Edited 7/20/07 4:59am] | |
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Dewrede said: BlackAdder7 said: you were not given incisor and canine teeth for nothing, Supa baby.
How about a brain with which you can decide it's sick and barbaric Living in the western world you don't need meat to survive [Edited 7/20/07 4:59am] Well thanks for the judgement!
If you wanna be veggie fine....i see nothing wrong with it. Don't call me sick brainless and barbaric because i choose differently, just like i won't criticize your life choices in the way you live.  ?[Edited 7/20/07 5:02am] | |
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