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PrintableJune7 said: I am currently going thru a divorce, which sadly involves my three kids. My two boys are ten and eleven, and seem to be taking this okay. They are not involved in any of the mess we are involved in, and only hear good things about my wife from my mouth, and about their dad from their mom's mouth.
My nineteen year old daughter is another story. She has made herself involved in our divorce, however... my ex has shared some things with my daughter that has slanted her view of me. As a result, she called me one night and started berating me out of the blue... I responded not too kindly and we ended up having a bad "moment". We didn't speak for a few months, and although I made some feeble attempts at reaching out to her, it wasn't enough. I knew this, and she made sure her mother knew this. Just recently we attempted to talk - it was horrible. She yelled at me a lot, glared at me a lot, and accused me of a lot of things. I attempted to defuse the situation best I could... it was not the best of meetings, and it was one of the most awful things I've been thru... but, it was an attempt. I feel for Alec... the courts give preference to the mother in 99% of court cases, the fathers have to deal with issues that mothers tell their children and take the hit for things that should have only been between the two adults. It sounds like he's been playing this "game" with his daughter for quite awhile, and just snapped. I said some things to my daughter that I'm not proud of (never anything berating like Alec, but mean things). Out of anger I lashed out. Now, I'm working to correct it. Alec said some things out of frustration and anger towards Kim and how she has apparently included Ireland in their issues... I hope people give Alec a chance to redeem himself... some things are not always black and white...  Good points!  | |
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June7 said: CalhounSq said:   Thanks...
Also, that phone was specifically for Alec to call Ireland as ordered by the court. She needs to make sure her ass answers! | |
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I sympathize with any parent who is unfairly prevented from being involved with their child and I understand the concept of one finally snapping and saying regrettable things one would normally not say, but my sympathy towards Alec is severely muddied by Alec's being historically known as a volatile, controlling hothead prone to verbal abuse -- and not just where Kim is concerned, though there are certainly any number of instances of that as well.
It's my opinion that Alec's anger during that phone call stemmed more from his general lack of control over his daughter's and ex-wife's lives than from his frustration at being an 'alienated father'. From what he said in his voicemail message, it seemed he wasn't even clear about the age of his own daughter nor did he appear to have any compunction about letting loose with his tirade of spectacularly belittling, insulting language, which leads me to think his behaviour towards Ireland is not a new, nor one-time, occurance. | |
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WillyWonka said: I sympathize with any parent who is unfairly prevented from being involved with their child and I understand the concept of one finally snapping and saying regrettable things one would normally not say, but my sympathy towards Alec is severely muddied by Alec's being historically known as a volatile, controlling hothead prone to verbal abuse -- and not just where Kim is concerned, though there are certainly any number of instances of that as well.
It's my opinion that Alec's anger during that phone call stemmed more from his general lack of control over his daughter's and ex-wife's lives than from his frustration at being an 'alienated father'. From what he said in his voicemail message, it seemed he wasn't even clear about the age of his own daughter nor did he appear to have any compunction about letting loose with his tirade of spectacularly belittling, insulting language, which leads me to think his behaviour towards Ireland is not a new, nor one-time, occurance. My mom messes up my age all the time. She always makes me a year older | |
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Janfriend said: WillyWonka said: I sympathize with any parent who is unfairly prevented from being involved with their child and I understand the concept of one finally snapping and saying regrettable things one would normally not say, but my sympathy towards Alec is severely muddied by Alec's being historically known as a volatile, controlling hothead prone to verbal abuse -- and not just where Kim is concerned, though there are certainly any number of instances of that as well.
It's my opinion that Alec's anger during that phone call stemmed more from his general lack of control over his daughter's and ex-wife's lives than from his frustration at being an 'alienated father'. From what he said in his voicemail message, it seemed he wasn't even clear about the age of his own daughter nor did he appear to have any compunction about letting loose with his tirade of spectacularly belittling, insulting language, which leads me to think his behaviour towards Ireland is not a new, nor one-time, occurance. My mom messes up my age all the time. She always makes me a year older My mom when she was mad at me would mistakenly call me "Snowball", which was the dog. The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything. |
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WillyWonka said: I sympathize with any parent who is unfairly prevented from being involved with their child and I understand the concept of one finally snapping and saying regrettable things one would normally not say, but my sympathy towards Alec is severely muddied by Alec's being historically known as a volatile, controlling hothead prone to verbal abuse -- and not just where Kim is concerned, though there are certainly any number of instances of that as well.
It's my opinion that Alec's anger during that phone call stemmed more from his general lack of control over his daughter's and ex-wife's lives than from his frustration at being an 'alienated father'. From what he said in his voicemail message, it seemed he wasn't even clear about the age of his own daughter nor did he appear to have any compunction about letting loose with his tirade of spectacularly belittling, insulting language, which leads me to think his behaviour towards Ireland is not a new, nor one-time, occurance. I do appreciate your opinion, Mr. Wonka, but I believe Alec is no Slugworth, although Slugworth surprised us all!  And I can never remember how old my mom is--it might be even harder to remember if you aren't a part of someone's life, no? | |
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live4lust said: WillyWonka said: I sympathize with any parent who is unfairly prevented from being involved with their child and I understand the concept of one finally snapping and saying regrettable things one would normally not say, but my sympathy towards Alec is severely muddied by Alec's being historically known as a volatile, controlling hothead prone to verbal abuse -- and not just where Kim is concerned, though there are certainly any number of instances of that as well.
It's my opinion that Alec's anger during that phone call stemmed more from his general lack of control over his daughter's and ex-wife's lives than from his frustration at being an 'alienated father'. From what he said in his voicemail message, it seemed he wasn't even clear about the age of his own daughter nor did he appear to have any compunction about letting loose with his tirade of spectacularly belittling, insulting language, which leads me to think his behaviour towards Ireland is not a new, nor one-time, occurance. I do appreciate your opinion, Mr. Wonka, but I believe Alec is no Slugworth, although Slugworth surprised us all! And I can never remember how old my mom is--it might be even harder to remember if you aren't a part of someone's life, no?Alright, granted: perhaps not knowing a loved one's age is meaningless and not an indicator of anything substantial, though I'd personally assume a parent (albeit even an estranged one) purporting to so desperately wanting a close relationship with their child would be aware of the age of said child. And Alec Baldwin may or may not be a Slugworth in disguise; I'm not above eating my words if I am mistaken about him.
However, Alec's temper tantrums and propensity towards inappropriate screaming and being verbally abusive - i.e. belittling, berating and insulting - and even breaking or punching inanimate objects, is nothing new. He has a well documented history of not being in control of his temper, with a just as well documented history of not accepting responsibility for his actions and instead placing blame on others for "causing" him to behave or react the way he does. Alec Baldwin might very well basically be a good man and sincerely desire to be a good father. Obviously I cannot definitively speak to that either way as I don't personally know him. But based on interviews I've read with him, interviews I've watched with him and from what I have read about him time and time again, my conclusion is that besides whatever else he may be, he is a man with severe anger and control issues, and is need of both therapy and parenting classes. | |
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I can't defend what he said, but I will say that most parents probably have plenty of moments they wouldn't want broadcast on the radio.
That's one (small) reason I don't have kids. I wouldn't want to do those kind of horrible things that I know I would. My Legacy
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Apparently he's going on the View sometime this week to talk about parental alienation. I'm definitely going to try to watch that to see what he has to actually say about the whole deal. | |
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JasmineFire said: Apparently he's going on the View sometime this week to talk about parental alienation. I'm definitely going to try to watch that to see what he has to actually say about the whole deal.
Aww shit, he's going in to the den of heffas???    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: JasmineFire said: Apparently he's going on the View sometime this week to talk about parental alienation. I'm definitely going to try to watch that to see what he has to actually say about the whole deal.
Aww shit, he's going in to the den of heffas??? rosie said that he's her friend. it should be pretty interesting.  | |
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JasmineFire said: CalhounSq said: Aww shit, he's going in to the den of heffas??? rosie said that he's her friend. it should be pretty interesting. I can see her being a tad cruel to those around her, too. My Legacy
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SoulAlive said: live4lust said:
 RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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psychodelicide said: SoulAlive said: what's up with the 1 and the 4 on his shoes? | |
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Ugly rant, but good for him. Every single person that ever turned out to be a decent human being got laid into like this by a parent at some point or other. If more parents did this today, teenagers today wouldn't be such fucked up twats with a sense of entitlement. | |
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JasmineFire said: psychodelicide said: what's up with the 1 and the 4 on his shoes? OMG, I didn't even notice that until I read your post, then scrolled back up to look at the picture again. Not sure. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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okay, so did anyone watch him on the view on friday?
He was all "parental alioenation! i'm a great father! kim's a mean and horrible mother! waaah! waaah!" and rosie was all "you're totally right!" and barabra was all "  "
He didn't mention his daughter's well being very much and didn't seem to be all that sorry to me. He also said that he's leaving 30 rock to focus on writing a book about parental alienation. yay.  for Ireland. seriously. | |
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