SoulAlive said:

I don't know how you can make that assumption based on a voicemail. If you've been follwing this custody cae from the beginning, Kim has been trying to keep Alec away from Ireland without a real reason regarding his parenting of her. It's all based on her ill feelings about their failed marriage

JustErin said:

I'm with JustErin like this.

But let me add: If he must call someone a selfish pig due to frustrations with custody, let it be Kim Basinger, not their 11 year old offspring.

CinisterCee said:

He said this wasn't the first time she has done this. They have court-ordered visitation and phone calls. Ireland has apparently made herself unavailable one too many times. She's playing 11-year-old games. If she doesn't want to talk to dad, she just won't answer the phone which, apparently, isn't her call to make. If there is an agreement on what day and time he will call, she needs to make her ass available

Janfriend said:

so that makes it okay for him to completely freak out on her? i don't think so.

Ya know no I wonder if this is quite possibly a reason Kim keeps Ireland or Ireland herself choose not to speak to her father that much....fuck if my father ever talked to me like that on more then one occassion I would tell him to fuck off to and not make myself available. Nobody deserves to be trrated like that especially an 11 year old kid.

evenstar3 said:

We don't know what else she has done. I already said earlier I don't see anything wrong with what he said. That's nothing

mostbeautifulgrlntheworld said:

This is how I'm feeling. Like I would ever feel like making myself available to be "straightened out" by someone who is calling me a pig.

mostbeautifulgrlntheworld said:

it is a completely unfounded assumption that he as ever talked to her that way before. so that argument hold no water.

CinisterCee said:

see above post

At the same time, Kim Basinger shouldn't air this stuff out to the public. It's a private matter.

An 11 year old kid doesn't need to be offered as television and tabloid gossip fodder.

I know it's really about Alec Baldwin but that's still her dad, you know?

CinisterCee said:

I agree things said to a child that young can damage them for life. I also chringe when out in public and you see parents yelling at the top of their lungs when the kid does something or when I am in the mall and the parents are 50 feet in front of the kid, while they are walking alone....god the list of bad parenting I see on a daily basis can go on and on.

now that I think about the worst is when a mom puts her kid in a stroller on an escalator and the kid almost goes fying out..hell-fucking-llo that is what they make elevators for.
[Edited 4/21/07 12:20pm]

SlamGlam said:

But I am talking about going forward AFTER receiving a voicemail like this from a parent.

CinisterCee said:

got ya. i took it as her reason to not answer the phone to begin with

Is this really a "tough love" approach?

SlamGlam said:

notice I said "probably" I'm not saying that he definitely beats his daughter.But when a parent angrily threatens to "straighten you out",you have to wonder.

Yeah, what does "straighten you out" mean exactly?

Janfriend said:

I'm not giving Kim Basinger a pass,either.They BOTH need some parental counseling.HE also needs to take an anger management class,if he hasn't done so already.There is NO excuse for talking to his daughter like that!

CinisterCee said:

SlamGlam said:[quote]

JustErin said:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...IChH9xFb8C
[Edited 4/21/07 13:32pm]

CinisterCee said:

Getting a kid to act right. In my family, it's the last thing you wanted to hear. Most of the time, you were punished if an adult said that to you.

yeah i read a few stories about how alec is looking into legal action over them being released. but the stories were not clear if there as an order to not make them public or if it was just part of a sealed or private hearing. it is also not clear when they were turned over to tmz. i would think that alec's best advice would be not to take ANY action. to me (someone sympathetic to him) it shows he is more worried about his image (trying to shift blame) than being sorry for what he said.)

oh i forgot to say: i know alec's people claim it was leaked against a court order but that may just be their opinion or spin on the situation. not all evidence is closed door hearings are sealed.
[Edited 4/21/07 13:48pm]

Under what grounds could there be legal action? They are his own words!

CinisterCee said:

alec's people are saying the tape was evidence in a closed door hearing and were ordered or assumed to be sealed. but it this case that seal my be akin to privilege, which in this case may belong to the minor, who could allow the tape's release. but as it was (according to the article) kim's answering machine... she would under copyright law be the owner of the copyright of the message.

SlamGlam said:

thanks for breakin' it down

SoulAlive said:

I think he'd just scream @ her for an hour or so, not necessarily hit her. He'd have to be a damn fool to raise a hand to her in the situation they're in...

live4lust said:

At least they drew him w/ a full head of hair

I am currently going thru a divorce, which sadly involves my three kids. My two boys are ten and eleven, and seem to be taking this okay. They are not involved in any of the mess we are involved in, and only hear good things about my wife from my mouth, and about their dad from their mom's mouth.

My nineteen year old daughter is another story. She has made herself involved in our divorce, however... my ex has shared some things with my daughter that has slanted her view of me. As a result, she called me one night and started berating me out of the blue... I responded not too kindly and we ended up having a bad "moment".

We didn't speak for a few months, and although I made some feeble attempts at reaching out to her, it wasn't enough. I knew this, and she made sure her mother knew this. Just recently we attempted to talk - it was horrible. She yelled at me a lot, glared at me a lot, and accused me of a lot of things. I attempted to defuse the situation best I could... it was not the best of meetings, and it was one of the most awful things I've been thru... but, it was an attempt.

I feel for Alec... the courts give preference to the mother in 99% of court cases, the fathers have to deal with issues that mothers tell their children and take the hit for things that should have only been between the two adults. It sounds like he's been playing this "game" with his daughter for quite awhile, and just snapped.

I said some things to my daughter that I'm not proud of (never anything berating like Alec, but mean things). Out of anger I lashed out. Now, I'm working to correct it. Alec said some things out of frustration and anger towards Kim and how she has apparently included Ireland in their issues...

I hope people give Alec a chance to redeem himself... some things are not always black and white...

June7 said:

CalhounSq said:

Thanks...