Channel 4 Tuesday 3 April at 10pm

Every year thousands of men across the US and Europe secretly try to achieve a goal that to most males would be absolutely unthinkable: castration. This film asks big questions about what it is to be a man when a little piece of you has been taken away.

Eunuchs follows the journeys of four very different men, gaining extraordinary access into their daily lives. Two of the men have already been castrated. One is about to have the procedure. One is trying to do it himself.

Last year, in rural North Carolina, three men were arrested for castrating men in the basement of a house. Not only shocking the small town community, the arrests made headlines across America with police claiming that men came from all over the world to have their testicles removed by 'Master Rick'.


Anyone gonna watch this tonight?


Should voluntary castration be allowed?

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Actually members of that strange cult in California, where everyone committed suicide together to await the "mothership" were castrated.


According to the men who have their balls removed, the achieve clarity of mind as they are not thinking about sex as often, if ever. They also claim it calms them down--much like Neutering animals tends to calm some of them down.


Personally, if I can't fondle my sweet, soft, fleshy balls every day, I'd kill somebody.

Wow how interesting

Should voluntary castration be allowed ?


Yes, of course

Imago said:

It reminds me of the books I read about ancient China and how all the servants in the palaces were eunuchs.. but they stunk of urine, suffered terrible agony and great infection.

Usually when they became old, they would work towards getting their penis back, so they could die as a man.. all penises were kept pickled in jars..

Any eunuch in the org wants to share his experience?

REDFEATHERS said:

I can't believe you

REDFEATHERS said:

Sure. Everybody'd probably be a lot happier if they were castrated.

PANDURITO said:

It's actually true.

I think it's also depicted (though not graphically) in "The Last Emperor", which was a great movie actually.

PANDURITO said:

Why not?

When they died they were allowed their penises stitched back on..

Read Empress Orchid by Anchee Min..

Mach said:

Why? Why do you say yes?

REDFEATHERS said:

Because his penis has gotten him into nothing but trouble.

Imago said:

I thought Mach was female

REDFEATHERS said:

Oops. I thought Ace said that.

REDFEATHERS said:

MACH said:

Imago said:

I was wondering..

REDFEATHERS said:

because we allow all types of body modifications from common to kinda freeky
I don't see this as any different then those that have their nose or boobs done or piercings or whatever

Anyone read Ann Rice's "Cry to Heaven" ?


It details the old Italian Practice of Castrating boys in the Catholic Church choir to preserve their singing voices, a position which was both prostegious and at the same time often tragic.

Fascinating read up until the point that the maestro and his young 14 year old pupal "get it on". That was a bit unnerving, even considering age of consent in ancient times.


I may pick it up again and see what happens to the protagonist as I only read about 1/4th of the book. From what I can recall it was on par with the best of her Vampire books.

Imago said:

Strange fantasys you are having bout me now Dan

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I keep my blades sharp

Imago said:

I did. The urge to rub our genitals in/on others just leads to aggression which is antithetical to our contentment as human beings.

I suggest the world as a whole experiment with chemical castration and then we all vote. To kill two birds with one stone, I think we should choose a worldwide uniform at the same time.

I guess I don't understand the whys and wherefores, but if someone really wants it, then they should be able to.

Mach said:

Mach said:

I don't believe in boundaries when it comes to sex




























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Imago said:

THE MALE EUNUCH

"The eunuchs of history have been divided by Dr. A.P. Cawadias (as reported in a recent issue of Proceedings of the Royal Society of Medicine, London) into five classes: (1) those who were employed by ancient Eastern and other peoples as special slaves or servants; (2) the religious eunuchs, who represented a form of mystical madness causing priests and followers of certain ancient Eastern religions to castrate themselves so as to devote the whole of their services to their divinities; (3) the singer eunuchs - those who were castrated in order to keep a sweet infantile feminine soprano voice, which was much sought after; (4) the eunuchs who were victims of criminal assault, and finally, (5) those who were castrated for medical reasons or to better the qualities of the man.

"The history of these types of eunuchs as described by Dr. Cawadias is fascinating. Religious castration, he says, was renewed in the middle of the 18th century by a sect originating in Russia and spreading into Roumania, known as Skoptzy. Its eunuchs were the first to undergo complete medical examination"

Herodotus told a story of a eunuch who became a Persian royal governor. On becoming governor the eunuch caused the arrest of the slave trader who, when the governor was a boy, sold him as a slave after causing his castration. The governor, using his particular methods of persuasion which included, it is unnecessary to guess, torture, caused the slave trader to castrate his own sons. This accomplished, the sons were compelled to castrate their father.

The Persian governor, it appears, accomplished both vengeance and the prevention of further reproduction in the slave trader's family.

It has been stated that castration, under certain conditions, is carried out as a legal procedure, in California. Some nine years ago Judge Frank P. Collier, then on the bench in Los Angeles, was transferred to the Pasadena area. Several well known and reputedly wealthy businessmen had become involved in sex crimes against small girls.

Judge Collier had been engaged in a vast amount of private research into the rehabilitation of sex criminals. Until well known and wealthy men became publicly involved it had apparently been of no concern in the Pasadena area, as to what happened to sex criminals.

California laws provide heavy penalties for sex offenders. Indeed, under certain laws, persons convicted of certain sex offenses may be confined in the state penitentiary for life. Probation may be granted by the sentencing court.

It has long been proverbial that al laws (in all states) have loopholes which exceptionally shrewd (and sometimes prosaically dull) lawyers may find for use to the advantage of their clients. Through these loopholes guilty persons may be freed. These loopholes often provided a hangman's noose for the innocent.

In order to execute a plan he had formulated through his research, Judge Collier was compelled to seek a legal loophole. California laws did not provide for the castration of sex offenders, either as a means of punishment or as a method of rehabilitating these offenders.

California law stipulates that a judge may require that certain conditions (which he is empowered to name) must be met in order that probation be granted. This was the Collier loophole. He offered sex offenders the choice of spending the remainder of their natural lives in prison, or of voluntarily submitting to castration. Thus, castration with legal sanction became, to all intents and purpose, legal in California.

There are those who believe that what is now known as "Collier's Choice" is successful. Doubtless it all depends on what one conceives success to be. It certainly succeeds in getting a fair number of men made into eunuchs. As to this, however, it would be possible to run into page after page of discussion. Such is outside the scope of this book.

[In the early years of the 20th century castration was used far more widely in the United States for both therapeutic and criminal justice purposes than Cauldwell discusses here. Indiana was especially noted for frequent castration of mental patients. Texas for castration of criminals. -JA]

As a measure for the preservation of life or health, or of health and life, castration is regarded, under medical jurisprudence, to be legal anywhere.

Imago said:

I read it, but it was so long ago I don't remember much...

I feel a bit sick now..

REDFEATHERS said:

Some women should be castrated too.


Of course castrating a woman involve something other than removal of a body part, like "Giving up her shoes", which could lead to very very bad results.

Ace said:

omg really????