I tryed a Halti the other day but he bit my hand when I went to remove it, I wont try that again, I have been useing a regular collar the last few days and it doesnt seem to be a problem although he doesnt heel and pulls a bit, I havent walked him just let him run in the feild (on a lunge line) We're going to buy a crate for him this weekend. We got some bitteryuck and a nice sized bone which seems to do the trick with the chewing. I took him to the store with us earlyer and bought some treats when I came back to the car I gave him one and told him he was a good boy (since he didnt eat the seat again) He got all excited He never reacted like that before. I had a step-in harness for my other dog, it just made her pull more and to the point she ended up walking on her hind legs. Shes small enough we let her get away with it and joked about how cute it is. (i know bad thinking) but being small we pick her up if she get to be to much. Poor babys just depressed from lossing all her beloved toys

LordEvil said:

well they are brown.....

my sister and brother in law had a german shephard that had been returned to the breeder
after two years with his new family. he ate everything! for a loooong while
till he felt secure that he wouldn't be abandoned again. even after he was always kind of a kook
chewing on sticks and the occasional stone!

excersise, reassureance, kong chew toys...
and don't leave him at a kennel anytime soon or you will be back at square one.



bart turned out to be the best dog ever... there will never be another one like him.
( after a long life that included hip displasia and in the end a brain tumor )

IB mentioned hating the Dog Whisperer, but in general I think his methods really work. I don't know the specific episode she refers to, but he seems to really love dogs. I haven't seen him do anything to hurt one.

His philosophy of becoming the dominant dog looks harsh or mean to us, but dogs really seem to respond to it. In fact they generally look happier.

I definitely think he's worth a watch, even if it just so you can know his methods aren't right for you.

NDRU said:

just to clarify - i completely agree that most dog behavioral problems stem from the dog's confusion about his or her role within the "pack". so Cesar Millan is spot-on with his concepts.

but if you watch him closely, he walks the dogs with choke or prong collars, posititioned at the most sensitive area of a dog's throat. no wonder the dogs heel with no problem - just for shits and giggles, people should try on a prong collar for themselves.

i've also seen him corner aggressive dogs. while he somehow gets away with it (with the occasional bite), that is never a good idea. and the thing he does pushing the dogs' neck with his fingers is also a form of aggression, which could easily result in bites, or at least, in a neurotic dog.

another thing that irks me is his "dog psychology center" - even with the recent addition of potted plants ( ), the thing looks like nothing more than a spruced-up parking lot.

there are many other ways to assert yourself as the pack leader, ways that don't rely on aggression. i'm frustrated with his popularity, while positive-concept trainers (like the original Dog Whisperer, Paul Owens - http://www.dogwhispererdvd.com/ ) are struggling to get their programs out.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I hear ya, it's worth getting as much info as possible & using the methods that work for both the dog & the owner.

meggy said:

Encourage him 2 chew his own Shit Stained Balls, That'll teach the bugger!

NDRU said:

just to clarify - i completely agree that most dog behavioral problems stem from the dog's confusion about his or her role within the "pack". so Cesar Millan is spot-on with his concepts.

but if you watch him closely, he walks the dogs with choke or prong collars, posititioned at the most sensitive area of a dog's throat. no wonder the dogs heel with no problem - just for shits and giggles, people should try on a prong collar for themselves.

i've also seen him corner aggressive dogs. while he somehow gets away with it (with the occasional bite), that is never a good idea. and the thing he does pushing the dogs' neck with his fingers is also a form of aggression, which could easily result in bites, or at least, in a neurotic dog.

another thing that irks me is his "dog psychology center" - even with the recent addition of potted plants ( ), the thing looks like nothing more than a spruced-up parking lot.

there are many other ways to assert yourself as the pack leader, ways that don't rely on aggression. i'm frustrated with his popularity, while positive-concept trainers (like the original Dog Whisperer, Paul Owens - http://www.dogwhispererdvd.com/ ) are struggling to get their programs out.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I like Cesar Millan personaly because he does use the mind set to over ride the dog, some things I dont agree on but with the choke collar its placed at that part of the neck because your useing it to correct the dog, That is where the dominant dog would nip to correct him, as with the prong collar If its used properly and not like alot of people do just putting it on the dog and letting it do what it wants to anyway.

I did wear a regular collar for a while to prove a point to my father a few years ago same with a choke collar and resently the prong, and I do beleive that it puts alot of strain on the neck that shouldnt be there, (and Im talking about regular collars too) but if its not left on all the time and only used when needed, Its a corrective tool. My Steller only wears a collar when shes outside, but with Ruggu we have to leave one on him as he gets out and runs.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I like Cesar Millan personaly because he does use the mind set to over ride the dog, some things I dont agree on but with the choke collar its placed at that part of the neck because your useing it to correct the dog, That is where the dominant dog would nip to correct him, as with the prong collar If its used properly and not like alot of people do just putting it on the dog and letting it do what it wants to anyway.

I did wear a regular collar for a while to prove a point to my father a few years ago same with a choke collar and resently the prong, and I do beleive that it puts alot of strain on the neck that shouldnt be there, (and Im talking about regular collars too) but if its not left on all the time and only used when needed, Its a corrective tool. My Steller only wears a collar when shes outside, but with Ruggu we have to leave one on him as he gets out and runs.