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Today's Question -because all things must end How Do you feel about euthanasia?
For yourself, the terminal ill or in general? [Edited 12/5/06 8:19am] No More Haters on the Internet. | |
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 Dont like it..for me, the terminally ill or anyone else. | |
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I'm not even gonna go there... | |
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Hard question, especially today.  | |
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Kill everyone now! Condone first degree murder! Advocate cannibalism! Eat shit! Filth is my politics! Filth is my life! .. | |
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i prize quality of life over sanctity of life.
to me, the sanctity of life IS the quality with which we choose to live, not the ability to prolong it. | |
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Anx said: i prize quality of life over sanctity of life.
to me, the sanctity of life IS the quality with which we choose to live, not the ability to prolong it. exactly 
my Mum fought for every single day, in the end, while a week later my Dad and StepMum asked me and my Brother how come we didn't end it for her | |
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I don't like it. Don't like needlessly prolonging people on life support either. 
Make people as comfortable as possible and let things occur as naturally as possible. "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
Pain is something to carry, like a radio...You should stand up for your right to feel your pain- Jim Morrison | |
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Anx said: i prize quality of life over sanctity of life.
to me, the sanctity of life IS the quality with which we choose to live, not the ability to prolong it. agreed. and well put. |
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I'm buddhist so this is a deeply concerning issue to me.
It all depends on what is the least painful thing to do for the patient, and for his family to me. I don't believe in a devine creator, nor do I beleive that the universe is a kind and balanced place to live in. It's as cruel and malicious as the diseases, old age, and sickness we all must succumb to. This is why compassion is so paramount to me. And often, compassion does not mean keeping someone alive as long as possible while they suffer in the prison of their own bodies. Ultimately, for me, it's about what is the most compassionate thing to do given the circumstances. I for example, would not want to live my last few months or years with Alzheimer's, while a part of my loved ones slowly dies with me without my recognizing or realizing it. I would rather die before that stage. the/they edit [Edited 12/5/06 8:33am] | |
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AsianBomb777 said: I'm buddhist so this is a deeply concerning issue to me.
It all depends on what is the least painful thing to do for the patient, and for his family to me. I don't believe in a devine creator, nor do I beleive that the universe is a kind and balanced place to live in. It's as cruel and malicious as the diseases, old age, and sickness we all must succumb to. This is why compassion is so paramount to me. And often, compassion does not mean keeping someone alive as long as possible while they suffer in the prison of their own bodies. Ultimately, for me, it's about what is the most compassionate thing to do given the circumstances. I for example, would not want to live my last few months or years with Alzheimer's, while a part of my loved ones slowly dies with me without my recognizing or realizing it. I would rather die before that stage. the/they edit [Edited 12/5/06 8:33am] I agree with both Dan and Anx. Unfortunately I had to witness a very painful death earlier this year and at stages I was left alone with the person and considered ending it for her. I gave it serious thought but didn't do it in the end. I would hope that if I was in that state at the end, someone kind would do it for me. | |
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CarrieMpls said: Anx said: i prize quality of life over sanctity of life.
to me, the sanctity of life IS the quality with which we choose to live, not the ability to prolong it. agreed. and well put. Agreed. And agreed. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: I'm buddhist so this is a deeply concerning issue to me.
It all depends on what is the least painful thing to do for the patient, and for his family to me. I don't believe in a devine creator, nor do I beleive that the universe is a kind and balanced place to live in. It's as cruel and malicious as the diseases, old age, and sickness we all must succumb to. This is why compassion is so paramount to me. And often, compassion does not mean keeping someone alive as long as possible while they suffer in the prison of their own bodies. Ultimately, for me, it's about what is the most compassionate thing to do given the circumstances. I for example, would not want to live my last few months or years with Alzheimer's, while a part of my loved ones slowly dies with me without my recognizing or realizing it. I would rather die before that stage. I agree with this. Taking my grandfather who's dying at the moment (whether it be today or next week) as an example, I really don't see the use of prolonging his life endlessly... He's been in a coma three times already. Right now he's crying out of pain, constantly. He can't sit and barely breathe, let alone eat. His body is turning all black. I don't know what causes this, but he looks horrible, like a dead man, actually... My mother has been nursing him for ten years. The last two years she's nursed him every day. Right now she's taking loads of pills, because if she doesn't, she starts shaking and vomiting. She's stopped working. I'm not saying he should be given more morphine just like that, but if the doctor says (he'll be there around this time) that the situation can only worsen even more, I don't find it healthy to hold this situation for another three weeks. [Edited 12/5/06 8:56am] | |
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If there's no recovery and pain, I wouldn't want to go on. I don't want people's last memory of me to be of pity. I don't want to pity myself. I couldn't stand being a burden to my son. No More Haters on the Internet. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: I'm buddhist so this is a deeply concerning issue to me.
It all depends on what is the least painful thing to do for the patient, and for his family to me. I don't believe in a devine creator, nor do I beleive that the universe is a kind and balanced place to live in. It's as cruel and malicious as the diseases, old age, and sickness we all must succumb to. This is why compassion is so paramount to me. And often, compassion does not mean keeping someone alive as long as possible while they suffer in the prison of their own bodies. Ultimately, for me, it's about what is the most compassionate thing to do given the circumstances. I for example, would not want to live my last few months or years with Alzheimer's, while a part of my loved ones slowly dies with me without my recognizing or realizing it. I would rather die before that stage. the/they edit [Edited 12/5/06 8:33am] i'm not going to read all of that! 
but if i DID, i'd say there's kind of a sad irony between what people think in theory and what people will do in practice. i know people right now who used to have a POV just like mine, but now that they have the option of keeping a terminally ill loved one on support or not, they want to keep 'em plugged in as long as possible. discussions like this remind me that i should not keep putting off creating a living will for myself. | |
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Reincarnate said: AsianBomb777 said: I'm buddhist so this is a deeply concerning issue to me.
It all depends on what is the least painful thing to do for the patient, and for his family to me. I don't believe in a devine creator, nor do I beleive that the universe is a kind and balanced place to live in. It's as cruel and malicious as the diseases, old age, and sickness we all must succumb to. This is why compassion is so paramount to me. And often, compassion does not mean keeping someone alive as long as possible while they suffer in the prison of their own bodies. Ultimately, for me, it's about what is the most compassionate thing to do given the circumstances. I for example, would not want to live my last few months or years with Alzheimer's, while a part of my loved ones slowly dies with me without my recognizing or realizing it. I would rather die before that stage. the/they edit [Edited 12/5/06 8:33am] I agree with both Dan and Anx. Unfortunately I had to witness a very painful death earlier this year and at stages I was left alone with the person and considered ending it for her. I gave it serious thought but didn't do it in the end. I would hope that if I was in that state at the end, someone kind would do it for me. 
I can't imagine going through that, but I'm sure many of us will at some point.  |
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Anx said: AsianBomb777 said: I'm buddhist so this is a deeply concerning issue to me.
It all depends on what is the least painful thing to do for the patient, and for his family to me. I don't believe in a devine creator, nor do I beleive that the universe is a kind and balanced place to live in. It's as cruel and malicious as the diseases, old age, and sickness we all must succumb to. This is why compassion is so paramount to me. And often, compassion does not mean keeping someone alive as long as possible while they suffer in the prison of their own bodies. Ultimately, for me, it's about what is the most compassionate thing to do given the circumstances. I for example, would not want to live my last few months or years with Alzheimer's, while a part of my loved ones slowly dies with me without my recognizing or realizing it. I would rather die before that stage. the/they edit [Edited 12/5/06 8:33am] i'm not going to read all of that!
but if i DID, i'd say there's kind of a sad irony between what people think in theory and what people will do in practice. i know people right now who used to have a POV just like mine, but now that they have the option of keeping a terminally ill loved one on support or not, they want to keep 'em plugged in as long as possible. discussions like this remind me that i should not keep putting off creating a living will for myself.
It's never too early. I should as well. |
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AsianBomb777 said: I'm buddhist so this is a deeply concerning issue to me.
It all depends on what is the least painful thing to do for the patient, and for his family to me. I don't believe in a devine creator, nor do I beleive that the universe is a kind and balanced place to live in. It's as cruel and malicious as the diseases, old age, and sickness we all must succumb to. This is why compassion is so paramount to me. And often, compassion does not mean keeping someone alive as long as possible while they suffer in the prison of their own bodies. Ultimately, for me, it's about what is the most compassionate thing to do given the circumstances. I for example, would not want to live my last few months or years with Alzheimer's, while a part of my loved ones slowly dies with me without my recognizing or realizing it. I would rather die before that stage. the/they edit [Edited 12/5/06 8:33am] My father had early onset Alzheimers {he was still in his 40's} and wanted to die when he was still cognizant that he had the disease. We are all happy he didn't, there were many, many wonderful times with him right up to the end. The last 2 days of his life were a gift, he was very aware and in the present with us for most of them. I was with him the whole last day and had conversations with him that hadn't been possible for years. Yes there is a long process of loss but there are many, many happy memories interspersed with the painful ones. Every situation is different but I really feel that there is something valuable to be gotten from these experiences. "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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CarrieMpls said: Anx said: i'm not going to read all of that!
but if i DID, i'd say there's kind of a sad irony between what people think in theory and what people will do in practice. i know people right now who used to have a POV just like mine, but now that they have the option of keeping a terminally ill loved one on support or not, they want to keep 'em plugged in as long as possible. discussions like this remind me that i should not keep putting off creating a living will for myself.
It's never too early. I should as well. But then on the other hand... you might feel otherwise when really dying. Like my grandfather, he says he wants it to end, but then one hour later he says he'd really love to share his lunch on time, eat it at a table, I mean. He's dying, but fighting at the same time. Very strange mixture. Can't quoted today-edit [Edited 12/5/06 9:00am] | |
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CarrieMpls said: Reincarnate said: I agree with both Dan and Anx. Unfortunately I had to witness a very painful death earlier this year and at stages I was left alone with the person and considered ending it for her. I gave it serious thought but didn't do it in the end. I would hope that if I was in that state at the end, someone kind would do it for me.
I can't imagine going through that, but I'm sure many of us will at some point. Thank you Carrie | |
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If the signifiers have already approached Death itself to the degree of the psyche considering them to be the signified there is no need to consider these people alive even if their bodies were still somewhat functional. | |
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Being one who's had to make that call and see it through its not easy... you have to be able to find peace within yourself and be able to live with making such a decision. | |
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Anx said: AsianBomb777 said: I'm buddhist so this is a deeply concerning issue to me.
It all depends on what is the least painful thing to do for the patient, and for his family to me. I don't believe in a devine creator, nor do I beleive that the universe is a kind and balanced place to live in. It's as cruel and malicious as the diseases, old age, and sickness we all must succumb to. This is why compassion is so paramount to me. And often, compassion does not mean keeping someone alive as long as possible while they suffer in the prison of their own bodies. Ultimately, for me, it's about what is the most compassionate thing to do given the circumstances. I for example, would not want to live my last few months or years with Alzheimer's, while a part of my loved ones slowly dies with me without my recognizing or realizing it. I would rather die before that stage. the/they edit [Edited 12/5/06 8:33am] i'm not going to read all of that!
but if i DID, i'd say there's kind of a sad irony between what people think in theory and what people will do in practice. i know people right now who used to have a POV just like mine, but now that they have the option of keeping a terminally ill loved one on support or not, they want to keep 'em plugged in as long as possible. discussions like this remind me that i should not keep putting off creating a living will for myself. Ok, I don't mean this question to be offensive in any way, so I will understand if you do not answer. But are you flirting with me? . [Edited 12/8/06 8:58am] | |
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shellyevon said: AsianBomb777 said: I'm buddhist so this is a deeply concerning issue to me.
It all depends on what is the least painful thing to do for the patient, and for his family to me. I don't believe in a devine creator, nor do I beleive that the universe is a kind and balanced place to live in. It's as cruel and malicious as the diseases, old age, and sickness we all must succumb to. This is why compassion is so paramount to me. And often, compassion does not mean keeping someone alive as long as possible while they suffer in the prison of their own bodies. Ultimately, for me, it's about what is the most compassionate thing to do given the circumstances. I for example, would not want to live my last few months or years with Alzheimer's, while a part of my loved ones slowly dies with me without my recognizing or realizing it. I would rather die before that stage. the/they edit [Edited 12/5/06 8:33am] My father had early onset Alzheimers {he was still in his 40's} and wanted to die when he was still cognizant that he had the disease. We are all happy he didn't, there were many, many wonderful times with him right up to the end. The last 2 days of his life were a gift, he was very aware and in the present with us for most of them. I was with him the whole last day and had conversations with him that hadn't been possible for years. Yes there is a long process of loss but there are many, many happy memories interspersed with the painful ones. Every situation is different but I really feel that there is something valuable to be gotten from these experiences. I'm sorry to hear about your loss, and I'm happy that you were able to find momments in that experience that inspire happy memories.
But the process of death will not always be so filled with blessing for most. Again, it's about what is most compassionate. | |
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If I had a loved one who was really sick and had no chance of living long...basically dying and if that was coupled with suffering and they asked me to Euthanize them, I'd seriously think about it.
I don't necessa think it should be completely legal, as you could have people that abuse it. But I think that it should be a medical option for those who are terminally ill. because a kiss on the lips is better than a knife in the back | |
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when people are terminally ill, we should get out of the way and let nature take its course. heroic measures and artificial means of keeping a person alive are solely for the surviving family, not the patient. | |
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purplerein said: when people are terminally ill, we should pop them in the head with a colt .45 so they don't have to suffer.
admirable sentiment. very merciful | |
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okay seriously i think it's cruel to prolong a person's suffering when the outcome is certain death. when my father was dying of cancer he had specified 'no life support measures' and so we didn't but eventually he asked for poison and i truly wish we could have obliged.
in a way, i think the nurses in the ICU assisted him by administering large doses of morphine to ease his passing. | |
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XxAxX said: okay seriously i think it's cruel to prolong a person's suffering when the outcome is certain death. when my father was dying of cancer he had specified 'no life support measures' and so we didn't but eventually he asked for poison and i truly wish we could have obliged.
in a way, i think the nurses in the ICU assisted him by administering large doses of morphine to ease his passing. It's pretty open secret in Scotland that mercy killing is commonly practised by our doctors and nurses, usually by overdose of morphine. Asking 'Is there anything you can do?' with a certain look is usually enough to have them carry out your wishes. It's common sense, absolutely sensible and the right thing to do. I don't understand why there's any debate on this issue. We put dogs down when they're in severe pain, but let our mothers and fathers choke on their mucus as their lungs fill and skin tears? Like many dark truths in Scottish culture, no-one speaks but everyone knows. I'll be first to tip a wink to the nurse when my jotters are full. | |
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Anx said: i prize quality of life over sanctity of life.
to me, the sanctity of life IS the quality with which we choose to live, not the ability to prolong it. I agree. | |
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