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Printablemrdespues said: Justin1972UK said: I'll respond in whatever way I see fit. If you don't wish me to respond again, don't write assumptions about me. I haven't publically judged you (or anybody else on this site for that matter) in the way that you have judged me. However, I will have no qualms over judging somebody whom chooses to live in the public eye, such as Steve Irwin. Those statements are fair, except I disagree with the one about choosing to live in the public eye. It doesn't always happen that it is a meditated choice; and though it may be an assumption on my part, it seems you suffer a little from the old tall poppy syndrome, as we call it here in Oz. It's probably known as the same elsewhere, too. But just remember, if you cut down all the poppies, all you will have left are weeds. I am sorry for passing judgment, I really try not to do that, but if you choose to post in the public eye such dispassionate remarks about a famous person (still just a person) you've never met, then I kind of have few qualms about judging you just the same. You have to understand that in Australia, whether you were a rabid fan or not, it was kind of like the whole country lost their best mate. Greer has always been someone who stood for some important issues, but in my opinion also likes to make issues out of nothing much at all. A lot of journalists do. That is all. 
. [Edited 9/13/06 5:12am] Mach, you seriously can't be saying that the article by Greer was about "nothing much at all". Other than saying that the animals decided to take revenge on Irwin, and speculating on what he was actually doing to the ray when he died (which I feel were mistakes to say), everything else she said was fact and a serious issue. | |
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JustErin said: mrdespues said: Those statements are fair, except I disagree with the one about choosing to live in the public eye. It doesn't always happen that it is a meditated choice; and though it may be an assumption on my part, it seems you suffer a little from the old tall poppy syndrome, as we call it here in Oz. It's probably known as the same elsewhere, too. But just remember, if you cut down all the poppies, all you will have left are weeds. I am sorry for passing judgment, I really try not to do that, but if you choose to post in the public eye such dispassionate remarks about a famous person (still just a person) you've never met, then I kind of have few qualms about judging you just the same. You have to understand that in Australia, whether you were a rabid fan or not, it was kind of like the whole country lost their best mate. Greer has always been someone who stood for some important issues, but in my opinion also likes to make issues out of nothing much at all. A lot of journalists do. That is all.
. [Edited 9/13/06 5:12am] Mach, you seriously can't be saying that the article by Greer was about "nothing much at all" . Other than saying that the animals decided to take revenge on Irwin, and speculating on what he was actually doing to the ray when he died (which I feel were mistakes to say), everything else she said was fact and a serious issue. NO... i do not recall saying "nothing much at all" about the artical Greer wrote I dont recall saying ANYTHING about that artical ...AT ALL  | |
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JustErin said: mrdespues said: Those statements are fair, except I disagree with the one about choosing to live in the public eye. It doesn't always happen that it is a meditated choice; and though it may be an assumption on my part, it seems you suffer a little from the old tall poppy syndrome, as we call it here in Oz. It's probably known as the same elsewhere, too. But just remember, if you cut down all the poppies, all you will have left are weeds. I am sorry for passing judgment, I really try not to do that, but if you choose to post in the public eye such dispassionate remarks about a famous person (still just a person) you've never met, then I kind of have few qualms about judging you just the same. You have to understand that in Australia, whether you were a rabid fan or not, it was kind of like the whole country lost their best mate. Greer has always been someone who stood for some important issues, but in my opinion also likes to make issues out of nothing much at all. A lot of journalists do. That is all.
. [Edited 9/13/06 5:12am] Mach, you seriously can't be saying that the article by Greer was about "nothing much at all". Other than saying that the animals decided to take revenge on Irwin, and speculating on what he was actually doing to the ray when he died (which I feel were mistakes to say), everything else she said was fact and a serious issue.  WTF ...this isnt even attached to ANYTHING I POSTED
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Mach said: JustErin said: Mach, you seriously can't be saying that the article by Greer was about "nothing much at all". Other than saying that the animals decided to take revenge on Irwin, and speculating on what he was actually doing to the ray when he died (which I feel were mistakes to say), everything else she said was fact and a serious issue. WTF ...this isnt even attached to ANYTHING I POSTED
??? Yes it is. You said: "Greer has always been someone who stood for some important issues, but in my opinion also likes to make issues out of nothing much at all. A lot of journalists do." and then I asked if you meant the article about Irwin. It was an easy question to understand, I thought...but I'll ask again. Do you think that this particular article is about "nohing much at all"? I'm curious as to why you would even bring up that she also makes issues out of nothing much at all when responding to Justin in regards to this particular topic. | |
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JustErin said: Mach said: WTF ...this isnt even attached to ANYTHING I POSTED
??? Yes it is. You said: "Greer has always been someone who stood for some important issues, but in my opinion also likes to make issues out of nothing much at all. A lot of journalists do." and then I asked if you meant the article about Irwin. It was an easy question to understand, I thought...but I'll ask again. Do you think that this particular article is about "nohing much at all"? I'm curious as to why you would even bring up that she also makes issues out of nothing much at all when responding to Justin in regards to this particular topic. not anywhere did i write such words... are you sure you arnt mistaking ME = Mach with someone elses post ?? 
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i see where mrdespues wrote those words ...
NOT Mach Mach is NOT mrdespues 
i think you are mistaken that i wrote that 
you are asking ME to explain HIS comment ??
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Mach said: JustErin said: Yes it is. You said: "Greer has always been someone who stood for some important issues, but in my opinion also likes to make issues out of nothing much at all. A lot of journalists do." and then I asked if you meant the article about Irwin. It was an easy question to understand, I thought...but I'll ask again. Do you think that this particular article is about "nohing much at all"? I'm curious as to why you would even bring up that she also makes issues out of nothing much at all when responding to Justin in regards to this particular topic. not anywhere did i write such words... are you sure you arnt mistaking ME = Mach with someone elses post ??
. [Edited 9/13/06 9:00am] Holy mother of God. I am on a roll today. That's the second time I did that this morning. 
My sincere apologies, Mach. I now see that you did not say that, mrdespues did. I think I should wear my glasses more or maybe get my head checked. | |
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JustErin said: Mach said: not anywhere did i write such words... are you sure you arnt mistaking ME = Mach with someone elses post ??
. [Edited 9/13/06 9:00am] Holy mother of God. I am on a roll today. That's the second time I did that this morning.
My sincere apologies, Mach. I now see that you did not say that, mrdespues did. I think I should wear my glasses more or maybe get my head checked. it's cool  | |
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Mach said: JustErin said: Holy mother of God. I am on a roll today. That's the second time I did that this morning.
My sincere apologies, Mach. I now see that you did not say that, mrdespues did. I think I should wear my glasses more or maybe get my head checked. it's cool
I still can't believe I did that.
So anyway...mrdespues all that was really for YOU!!  | |
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psychodelicide said: My mom and I walk on a path back in the woods near here. Every fall, we get wooly bears that I sometimes see on the path. Whenever I see one, I pick it up and transport it to the side of the road, so that it doesn't get stepped on or ridden over by someone on a bike. My mom laughs at me for doing it, but I feel bad for those poor little things.
Awww...  What's a wooly bear??
I always remember, the first time I visited Canada... the very first morning we were there, my friends and I were walking down the street and there was this dead squirrel on the road. A car was driving up the road when, suddenly, it screeched to a halt, some woman jumped out, picked up the squirrel and laid it on the grass. She picked up a twig, broke it in half and laid it on the squirrel in the sign of a cross! I was gobsmacked!!! 
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onenitealone said: psychodelicide said: My mom and I walk on a path back in the woods near here. Every fall, we get wooly bears that I sometimes see on the path. Whenever I see one, I pick it up and transport it to the side of the road, so that it doesn't get stepped on or ridden over by someone on a bike. My mom laughs at me for doing it, but I feel bad for those poor little things.
Awww... What's a wooly bear??
I always remember, the first time I visited Canada... the very first morning we were there, my friends and I were walking down the street and there was this dead squirrel on the road. A car was driving up the road when, suddenly, it screeched to a halt, some woman jumped out, picked up the squirrel and laid it on the grass. She picked up a twig, broke it in half and laid it on the squirrel in the sign of a cross! I was gobsmacked!!!
Are all Canadians like this??? I used to remove hit wildlife off the road. I hated to see them on there. I always thought it was horrible that people were so desensitized to seeing dead animals on the road. I even had a box, gloves and a towel in the back of my truck just for doing that...but it was only the ones that were not all crushed or smooshed to hell. Then one evening, I went to remove a little skunk that got hit. Poor thing looked like it was just sleeping. I picked it up by the scruff to move it when suddenly all it's guts spilled out all over the road. That was the very last time I moved dead animals to the ditch. | |
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JustErin said: onenitealone said: Awww... What's a wooly bear??
I always remember, the first time I visited Canada... the very first morning we were there, my friends and I were walking down the street and there was this dead squirrel on the road. A car was driving up the road when, suddenly, it screeched to a halt, some woman jumped out, picked up the squirrel and laid it on the grass. She picked up a twig, broke it in half and laid it on the squirrel in the sign of a cross! I was gobsmacked!!!
Are all Canadians like this??? I used to remove hit wildlife off the road. I hated to see them on there. I always thought it was horrible that people were so desensitized to seeing dead animals on the road. I even had a box, gloves and a towel in the back of my truck just for doing that...but it was only the ones that were not all crushed or smooshed to hell. Then one evening, I went to remove a little skunk that got hit. Poor thing looked like it was just sleeping. I picked it up by the scruff to move it when suddenly all it's guts spilled out all over the road. That was the very last time I moved dead animals to the ditch. thank you for doing that (and i can understand you not wanting to do it anymore, after that experience!). it always bothers me that animals are hit over and over and over again before animal control eventually gets to it, if at all. | |
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JustErin said: Mach said: it's cool
I still can't believe I did that.
So anyway...mrdespues all that was really for YOU!! Erin, The article had a few salient points, but the problem I have with Greer and a lot of journalists like her who have the nerve to put on the expert hat and criticise the way Steve died is that they are just plain smug and it reeks of inverted sensationalism. Journalists think they know everything - I know this from having spent a year in a journalism course and simply being literate most of my life. The article is insensitive and the points she makes are not worthy and quite disproportionate to the loss of life. Anyone who watched his shows could tell that Steve knew that animals need space... he was a master of that in fact, as far as most of us could tell. But he was just a human and he made a mistake. Sure you could say it was bound to happen, but it just seemed a little too soon is all. And of course, the vultures (journos) come to pick at the bones ASAP. It really grosses me out and basically if you are trying to make too many points beyond the simple fact that he fucked up, I think you are pretty cold. 
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onenitealone said: psychodelicide said: My mom and I walk on a path back in the woods near here. Every fall, we get wooly bears that I sometimes see on the path. Whenever I see one, I pick it up and transport it to the side of the road, so that it doesn't get stepped on or ridden over by someone on a bike. My mom laughs at me for doing it, but I feel bad for those poor little things.
Awww... What's a wooly bear??
I always remember, the first time I visited Canada... the very first morning we were there, my friends and I were walking down the street and there was this dead squirrel on the road. A car was driving up the road when, suddenly, it screeched to a halt, some woman jumped out, picked up the squirrel and laid it on the grass. She picked up a twig, broke it in half and laid it on the squirrel in the sign of a cross! I was gobsmacked!!!
Are all Canadians like this??? Here's a pic of a wooly bear. Down south, they're called wooly worms: 
I have seen some wooly bears that were entirely black, no orange on them at all - really cool! That lady who picked up that squirrel, put it on the grass, and then laid a cross on it is either a die-hard animal fan or a bit nuts. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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JustErin said: onenitealone said: Awww... What's a wooly bear??
I always remember, the first time I visited Canada... the very first morning we were there, my friends and I were walking down the street and there was this dead squirrel on the road. A car was driving up the road when, suddenly, it screeched to a halt, some woman jumped out, picked up the squirrel and laid it on the grass. She picked up a twig, broke it in half and laid it on the squirrel in the sign of a cross! I was gobsmacked!!!
Are all Canadians like this??? I used to remove hit wildlife off the road. I hated to see them on there. I always thought it was horrible that people were so desensitized to seeing dead animals on the road. I even had a box, gloves and a towel in the back of my truck just for doing that...but it was only the ones that were not all crushed or smooshed to hell. Then one evening, I went to remove a little skunk that got hit. Poor thing looked like it was just sleeping. I picked it up by the scruff to move it when suddenly all it's guts spilled out all over the road. That was the very last time I moved dead animals to the ditch.  That's sweet that you used to pick up dead animals off the road like that. I don't blame you for not doing it any longer, seeing an animals guts spill out right in front of my eyes that would turn me off from it too.RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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althom said: Ok..here's the latest about those dead stingrays.
The location of where they were found is Harvey Bay. Nowhere even close to where Steve was killed. The second thing is that the locals there said that the Stingrays had been lying on the beach even before Steve was killed. So they have no conection to Steve what so ever. I don't know how they died, but it's just a reporter trying to conect the two for a good story. Ok....back on topic.
I found an answer as to why there were stingrays on the beach. It seems the local fishermen trawl, with nets, for fish in that area and the stingrays always get cought in the nets. When they cut free the stingrays, they cut off it's tail. Don't worry.....they're already dead before they do that. The tail is what gets cought in the nets and they seem to just throw them back into the sea. So the stingrays that were found on the beach had actually washed up from the sea.....that's why they were scatted all along the beach. | |
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Mach said: althom said: Ok..here's the latest about those dead stingrays.
The location of where they were found is Harvey Bay. Nowhere even close to where Steve was killed. The second thing is that the locals there said that the Stingrays had been lying on the beach even before Steve was killed. So they have no conection to Steve what so ever. I don't know how they died, but it's just a reporter trying to conect the two for a good story. 
i love when truth comes out during / after people go off running their opinions
And on that note, here's my first post on this thread. 
Whatever people think of Steve Irwin I do think, especially so soon after his death, it'd be wise for people to have a little compassion and sympathy rather than going straight for the jugular where they find fault in him or his ways. It's obviously quite a sensitive issue and no matter how strongly held one's beliefs might be, or how truthful one's opinions, that does not render tact obsolete. Character assassination so soon after someone's passing shows a lack of class. ... [Edited 9/13/06 19:58pm] | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: JustErin said: I used to remove hit wildlife off the road. I hated to see them on there. I always thought it was horrible that people were so desensitized to seeing dead animals on the road. I even had a box, gloves and a towel in the back of my truck just for doing that...but it was only the ones that were not all crushed or smooshed to hell. Then one evening, I went to remove a little skunk that got hit. Poor thing looked like it was just sleeping. I picked it up by the scruff to move it when suddenly all it's guts spilled out all over the road. That was the very last time I moved dead animals to the ditch. thank you for doing that (and i can understand you not wanting to do it anymore, after that experience!). it always bothers me that animals are hit over and over and over again before animal control eventually gets to it, if at all. Me too. I just witnessed a terrible incident this past weekend that completely disgusted me. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Fauxie said: Mach said:
i love when truth comes out during / after people go off running their opinions
And on that note, here's my first post on this thread.
Whatever people think of Steve Irwin I do think, especially so soon after his death, it'd be wise for people to have a little compassion and sympathy rather than going straight for the jugular where they find fault in him or his ways. It's obviously quite a sensitive issue and no matter how strongly held one's beliefs might be, or how truthful one's opinions, that does not render tact obsolete. Character assassination so soon after someone's passing shows a lack of class. ... [Edited 9/13/06 19:58pm] 
You fucking rock, my man. 
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mrdespues said: Fauxie said:
And on that note, here's my first post on this thread.
Whatever people think of Steve Irwin I do think, especially so soon after his death, it'd be wise for people to have a little compassion and sympathy rather than going straight for the jugular where they find fault in him or his ways. It's obviously quite a sensitive issue and no matter how strongly held one's beliefs might be, or how truthful one's opinions, that does not render tact obsolete. Character assassination so soon after someone's passing shows a lack of class. ... [Edited 9/13/06 19:58pm]
You fucking rock, my man.
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Fauxie said: mrdespues said:
You fucking rock, my man.
. [Edited 9/13/06 20:37pm] I try. Aw, c'mere... | |
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mrdespues said: Fauxie said: I try. Aw, c'mere... Well, I would've gone with considering my ultraheteroness, but sure, why not? | |
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Fauxie said: mrdespues said: Aw, c'mere... Well, I would've gone with considering my ultraheteroness, but sure, why not? Oh quit playing. You know you want some.
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mrdespues said: Fauxie said: Well, I would've gone with considering my ultraheteroness, but sure, why not? Oh quit playing. You know you want some.
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Fauxie said: mrdespues said: Oh quit playing. You know you want some.
I know it's a probably an effort these days with Dan gone, but thanks for playing along!  | |
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mrdespues said: JustErin said:
I still can't believe I did that.
So anyway...mrdespues all that was really for YOU!! Erin, The article had a few salient points, but the problem I have with Greer and a lot of journalists like her who have the nerve to put on the expert hat and criticise the way Steve died is that they are just plain smug and it reeks of inverted sensationalism. Journalists think they know everything - I know this from having spent a year in a journalism course and simply being literate most of my life. The article is insensitive and the points she makes are not worthy and quite disproportionate to the loss of life. Anyone who watched his shows could tell that Steve knew that animals need space... he was a master of that in fact, as far as most of us could tell. But he was just a human and he made a mistake. Sure you could say it was bound to happen, but it just seemed a little too soon is all. And of course, the vultures (journos) come to pick at the bones ASAP. It really grosses me out and basically if you are trying to make too many points beyond the simple fact that he fucked up, I think you are pretty cold.
. [Edited 9/13/06 15:45pm] I never said I agreed with her comments on his death or any of the silly comments such as "it was bound to happen". Journalists certainly may have a case of the "know-it-alls", I won't dispute that. However, the points she made about the exploitation of animals by Irwin are solid, and I am not going to dismiss these facts simply because the person that was exploiting them recently died. Stating facts about his methods and some of the things he did is not character assassination , it's stating facts. I just wish that journalists, when discussing important issues like this, did not throw in personal insults and stupid little snarky comments because, unfortunately for many people, it overshadows the real issues that were being discussed. And I, personally, never said a single thing about him that could be considered "character assassination". Yes, I pointed out the things he did that I disagreed with, but I also made a point of talking about some of the good he did. I don't believe that it is disrespectful to reflect back on the life of someone that recently passed away, stating both the good and the bad. | |
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JustErin said: mrdespues said: Erin, The article had a few salient points, but the problem I have with Greer and a lot of journalists like her who have the nerve to put on the expert hat and criticise the way Steve died is that they are just plain smug and it reeks of inverted sensationalism. Journalists think they know everything - I know this from having spent a year in a journalism course and simply being literate most of my life. The article is insensitive and the points she makes are not worthy and quite disproportionate to the loss of life. Anyone who watched his shows could tell that Steve knew that animals need space... he was a master of that in fact, as far as most of us could tell. But he was just a human and he made a mistake. Sure you could say it was bound to happen, but it just seemed a little too soon is all. And of course, the vultures (journos) come to pick at the bones ASAP. It really grosses me out and basically if you are trying to make too many points beyond the simple fact that he fucked up, I think you are pretty cold.
. [Edited 9/13/06 15:45pm] I never said I agreed with her comments on his death or any of the silly comments such as "it was bound to happen". Journalists certainly may have a case of the "know-it-alls", I won't dispute that. However, the points she made about the exploitation of animals by Irwin are solid, and I am not going to dismiss these facts simply because the person that was exploiting them recently died. Stating facts about his methods and some of the things he did is not character assassination , it's stating facts. I just wish that journalists, when discussing important issues like this, did not throw in personal insults and stupid little snarky comments because, unfortunately for many people, it overshadows the real issues that were being discussed. And I, personally, never said a single thing about him that could be considered "character assassination". Yes, I pointed out the things he did that I disagreed with, but I also made a point of talking about some of the good he did. I don't believe that it is disrespectful to reflect back on the life of someone that recently passed away, stating both the good and the bad. Ok. Remind me to leave you off the invite list at my funeral, though. "Yeah I liked mrdespues...a bit... actually he was kind of a dick."
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